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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #5132
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    JDD wrote: »
    Possible because we had ten times, if not a hundred times, the number of infections in March/April. If we applied the same testing criteria that we had in late March, we'd probably be only finding five or six new cases a day.

    When the virus was as widespread as it was in March, it was obviously going to infect some young people that were particularly susceptible to it, or caught a high viral load. Those young people would end up in hospital and ended up in the newspapers.

    Now, there's a much higher proportion of asymptomatic or very mild infections being picked up in the daily rounds of testing. Those people are never going to end up in hospital.

    That's probably what happened. The positivity rate back then was about 10% most days, whereas these days its just above 1% which seems to be the international norm. So back then we were only catching maybe 1/10th of cases.

    200 cases a day now is far less serious than 200 cases a day back then because back then 200 cases was the tip of the iceberg.


  • #5133
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    It seems there are countries that understand it and those that don't. In Bergamo they are taking it very serious indeed.

    Exams conducted outside in marquees. Of course they know first hand that half of their town were not crisis actors.

    Although there is no evidence that they are not part of a deep state plot.

    That's students doing a medical exam and that's the mayor of Bergamo on twitter. He's allowed be on twitter and just because
    he shares information on a platform doesn't make him a liar. It could be doctored though so take out your sharpie if not convinced.

    https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1301458106719891460?s=20


  • #5134
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It seems there are countries that understand it and those that don't. In Bergamo they are taking it very serious indeed.

    Exams conducted outside in marquees. Of course they know first hand that half of their town were not crisis actors.

    Although there is no evidence that they are not part of a deep state plot.


    That's students doing a medical exam and that's the mayor of Bergamo on twitter. He's allowed be on twitter and just because
    he shares information on a platform doesn't make him a liar. It could be doctored though so take out your sharpie if not convinced.

    https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1301458106719891460?s=20

    Curious why are you introducing the 'crisis actor' narrative? You are from what I can see the only poster doing it.
    The population of Bergamo is circa 120,000 . Are you claiming the infection rate/ death toll was 50%?


  • #5135
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The Rock says he had a rough go of it. Did he end up in hospital or ICU I wonder?

    If not then he likely had something akin to a bad flu, maybe shortness of breath for a couple of days, and then recovered. Not a huge deal. He's not in the high risk category so he didn't have much to worry about.


  • #5136
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I think we should contact the doctor and tell him there are experts here on boards.ie who don't think you had Covid-19, finally he gets some proper diagnosis.

    The vast majority of suspected covid 19 cases admitted to hospital turn out not to be covid 19.

    Unless he was confirmed as covid 19 positive, we simply do not know what he had. He might have had it, he might have had something else entirely.


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  • #5137
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    He wasn't diagnosed with Covid and has recovered, correct?

    Click bait as usual

    Loved the climbed Carrauntoohil

    My 4 year old did that :pac:


  • #5138
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Click bait as usual

    Loved the climbed Carrauntoohil

    My 4 year old did that :pac:

    Yeah right.


  • #5139
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    1123heavy wrote: »
    When will the government heed the advice of the German ministers who are now realising they acted totally out of line? The cure the governments are coming up with is worse than the virus

    Where did the German minister say they "acted out of line"?

    This appears to be what the German minister actually said:
    With the knowledge of today, I can tell you no hairdressers would have to close and no shops... He said Germany could avoid a second lockdown because people had “learned in the last months how to protect ourselves”, using masks instead of closing shops and services.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114504501&postcount=5042

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5140
    1123heavy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Where did the German minister say they "acted out of line"?

    This appears to be what the German minister actually said:
    With the knowledge of today, I can tell you no hairdressers would have to close and no shops... He said Germany could avoid a second lockdown because people had “learned in the last months how to protect ourselves”, using masks instead of closing shops and services.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114504501&postcount=5042

    He is speaking in hindsight saying what would have been differently, play semantics if you wish but he is basically saying they got it wrong and if it happened again, they wouldn't respond the same.


  • #5141
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    1123heavy wrote: »
    He is speaking in hindsight saying what would have been differently, play semantics if you wish but he is basically saying they got it wrong and if it happened again, they wouldn't respond the same.

    None of that means they acted out of line .


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  • #5142
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Click bait as usual

    Loved the climbed Carrauntoohil

    My 4 year old did that :pac:

    NPHET and the media, particularly RTE seem obsesed with portraying everything in a negative light.

    The fact we've had no deaths for almost two weeks doesn't even get any serious attention from them.

    We've improved massively since April and May. It looks like we've turned a corner. I would say PPE in nursing homes and mask wearing in general has made a huge difference.

    At this stage its time to get on with our lives and live with covid 19 until there is a vaccine, in the same way we live with the seasonal flu. If you're sick take a few days off work and hope you haven't infected others but if you have, it aint the end of the world.


  • #5143
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    The Rock says he had a rough go of it. Did he end up in hospital or ICU I wonder?

    If not then he likely had something akin to a bad flu, maybe shortness of breath for a couple of days, and then recovered. Not a huge deal. He's not in the high risk category so he didn't have much to worry about.

    All recovered 'stronger and healthier' according to the story on Sky news.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-reveals-he-and-his-family-all-had-virus-12062115


  • #5144
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    1123heavy wrote: »
    He is speaking in hindsight saying what would have been differently, play semantics if you wish but he is basically saying they got it wrong and if it happened again, they wouldn't respond the same.

    They had weeks and months to prepare for covid 19 once it stared taking off in China and Italy. Protect nursing homes and then encourage other limited measures like they did in Sweden and there would have been no need for any retail closures or lockdowns.

    In any other job they would be fired and the same for the medical experts advising them.


  • #5145
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    All recovered 'stronger and healthier' according to the story on Sky news.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-reveals-he-and-his-family-all-had-virus-12062115

    Its sounding like another click bait non story. The implication from the media is if it can happen to The Rock, no-one is safe. Except he didn't end up in hospital or ICU. Complete non story I'm afraid.

    Numerous people over 100 got it and recovered with barely any side effects.


  • #5146
    JJandthebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭JJandthebear


    That German minister like most politicians is speaking out his brennan; looking at the outcome of events and saying they would do it differently now, without seemingly weighing in the fact that the outcomes could have been very different had those restrictions not been in place at the beginning.


  • #5147
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Uk not contacting people who were on a plane with confirmed cases. Seems like they never contact traced planes. There maintaining ‘there is no evidence of people contracting it on a plane’

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1301413461696618496?s=21


  • #5148
    Erranged
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭Erranged


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Uk not contacting people who were on a plane with confirmed cases. Seems like they never contact traced planes. There maintaining ‘there is no evidence of people contracting it on a plane’

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1301413461696618496?s=21
    "Race to track 200 people"

    Is there any end to all this nonsense


  • #5149
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Had a work call with a colleague yesterday. At the start of Covid she mentioned her husband has a heart condition so is high risk. So here she is, spluttering and coughing on the call, and I ask if she's ok. "Bad cold, the whole house has it". Suggest that maybe get it checked out if all four of them have it. "No, it's not covid, just a cough and sore throat, we're fine". Kind of insist a little more. "I don't wanna be locked in my house for two weeks"

    This is what we're dealing with.

    There's a cross over of symptoms between colds and covid. Herself and the family have 2 of them covid symptoms. Greedy and selfish cow now to consider isolating the family and testing to get a result of either positive or negative for covid.

    The most important action we can all take is to restrict our movements and reduce close contacts down to 0 if we have any symptoms until symptoms reside.


  • #5150
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    All recovered 'stronger and healthier' according to the story on Sky news.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-reveals-he-and-his-family-all-had-virus-12062115

    Ffs they obviously mean relative to when they were ill from the virus, covid didn't give them some sort of superhuman strength as you are positing. Definitely in line for most flagrant misrepresentation ever made in the thread.

    I can just see the headlines now.
    "My Covid Enabled Me a to Do Things I Never Believed Possible"


  • #5151
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    I agree with you. My issue is with the 'two-month lag' which is now being suggested by some posters. There's no evidence to suggest that there would be a two month lag from case notification to ICU/death. Going from what you say above (obviously allowing for a small number of outliers), you agree: 3/4 weeks (although I would've thought 2/3 weeks).


    I'm also not suggesting that the figures are being manipulated, at least not by government officials. My comment is directed at posters suggesting a two month lag.

    What I said is that most very ill succumb within that time frame but there are other poor people that appear to recover but then some other complication drags them down .
    The later notifications that you are talking about I think, do happen as families have 3 months to register deaths which are then notified.
    This 'time lag ' as you call it , is legit but the previous CMO had mentioned in May that it was an issue that they ' might do something about' , but obviously it is beyond the government to tighten it up.
    Sensitivity for grieving families?
    I think during a pandemic that all Covid cases should be notified asap.
    So we agree on that .


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  • #5152
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Ffs they obviously mean relative to when they were ill from the virus, covid didn't give them some sort of superhuman strength as you are positing. Definitely in line for most flagrant misrepresentation ever made in the thread.

    I can just see the headlines now.

    If you don't like the Rocks quote that he and his family is 'stronger and healthier' I suggest you contact him. I only repeated what the article stated. I know a positive such as the Rocks is prehaps not welcome. Would you prefer if his family was still suffering maybe a limb loss here and there?


  • #5153
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    NPHET and the media, particularly RTE seem obsesed with portraying everything in a negative light.

    The fact we've had no deaths for almost two weeks doesn't even get any serious attention from them.

    We've improved massively since April and May. It looks like we've turned a corner. I would say PPE in nursing homes and mask wearing in general has made a huge difference.

    At this stage its time to get on with our lives and live with covid 19 until there is a vaccine, in the same way we live with the seasonal flu. If you're sick take a few days off work and hope you haven't infected others but if you have, it aint the end of the world.

    Spot on.

    Misery after misery everyday.

    Donnelly talking about another lockdown then going back on it.

    Absolutely clueless scaremongerers.


  • #5154
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It seems there are countries that understand it and those that don't. In Bergamo they are taking it very serious indeed.

    Exams conducted outside in marquees. Of course they know first hand that half of their town were not crisis actors.

    Although there is no evidence that they are not part of a deep state plot.

    That's students doing a medical exam and that's the mayor of Bergamo on twitter. He's allowed be on twitter and just because
    he shares information on a platform doesn't make him a liar. It could be doctored though so take out your sharpie if not convinced.

    https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1301458106719891460?s=20

    I believe the way they acted there was appropriate given the hospital's being over run etc. However I am noting more and more statisticians are starting to look hard at the raw data and the picture of the illness being less leathal than previously thought is starting to emerge. It's a double edge sword because on the one hand it's good news that we're not in as much danger as we previously thought but on the other hand it gives conspiracy theorists and the likes of Trump ground to call it a hoax.
    I noted an interesting study also being done about how they had an unusual mild flu season last year in Italy that may have contributed significantly to how the virus impacted the population there relative to other places.


  • #5155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    There are no dangers with masks, you're an idiot.

    People hadn't been wearing masks in there until the last few days when the positive cases were known about, a few people started to wear them as a precaution and then these messages appeared today.

    What type of business are they in? Health and safety in a business that size would not allow such a message to be displayed without a good reason


  • #5156
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    General Election during a pandemic?

    That would be a brave thing to do.

    If they held it over a Friday to Sunday for example, with everyone’s polling card being for a specific day to manage crowds


  • #5157
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,057 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Are you seriously this stupid?
    There's an inherent danger with idiots not wearing masks correctly, there are zero dangers associated with masks.

    Exactly there not being used correctly, that's my issue and your wife's employer quite clearly has noticed something, I can't imagine getting 700 people to use a mask as if they were in a labatory environment is an easy or even possible task.

    Why even post what you did if it wasn't open to discussion

    Less of the your stupid, your an idiot no need for it, if you want an eco chamber on masks there's a thread for that.


  • #5158
    penelope2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭penelope2012


    How are beers looking today so much on this thread that I might have missed them!


  • #5159
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    JDD wrote: »
    What are people's thoughts on how Scotland have handled their schools opening?

    They are a similar sized country, similar sized schools and classrooms, similar weather patterns etc.

    As far as I can see, they are doing extremely well. Schools open for a month, 40,000 pupils tested and only 117 positive cases. A positive rate of 0.3%.

    15% of pupils are off school, with only 4% of that 15% "covid-19 related" i.e. either their classroom closed because of a positive case and they are sitting out the 14 days, or they are a close contact of someone else outside of school who has had a positive test, or there is a suspected community infection, and they are awaiting a test.

    The remaining 11% it appears have regular colds and other infections, and parents are being very sensible in keeping those children home. It wouldn't at all be unusual for 10% of a class to be suffering from a cold/cough after the first month being back together.

    So...if we follow the same pattern, I can see wet pubs open before Hallowe'en.
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Scotland have gone from a five day rolling average of 65.6 to 115 in the last five days

    They opened schools two weeks before us, with reasonably similar guidelines and demographics and infection rate
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    156 new cases in Scotland today

    five day rolling average now 136

    101 new cases, 1 death

    five day rolling average now 139

    R believed to be about 1.4 - Sturgeon just now: "The virus is spreading again here"


  • #5160
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Boggles wrote: »
    General Election during a pandemic?

    That would be a brave thing to do.

    Poland held elections a month or so back.


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  • #5161
    no.8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭no.8


    Thierry12 wrote:
    Loved the climbed Carrauntoohil

    Thierry12 wrote:
    My 4 year old did that

    Thierry12 wrote:
    Click bait as usual

    This implies a certain level of fitness, which seems to go right over your head.
    Click bait? Did he make it all up AND if so....do you have any evidence to support your comment there Thierry?


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