Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 11:39PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

"you do realise" that if we see a resurgence in covid we'll first see a resurgence in suspected covid cases?

Not getting into this debate again tonight.

If im in a car crash, have a heart attack, anything that needs me to be admitted in to ICU in this example I'm tested on the way in. Symptoms or no symptoms. Until that test comes back negative in the eyes of the HSE I'm listed as a suspected case.

Its not that difficult to understand, the vast vast majority are negative.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 11:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not denying anything. I am discussing the real impact, not the imaginary acute myocarditis that’s going to be impacting all asymptomatic cases, which was the route this discussion was going down before we went down this blind alley.

No it wasn't.

That is however what you've been arguing against.

mountgomery burns · 02-09-2020 11:39PM

I'd have to admit I would have rarely checked the RTE website prior to this all beginning, but since it started I do so frequently. This is mainly because I, like I'm sure everyone is, am desperate to hear of the day we have a serious breakthrough to have an end in sight to all of this.

I have to say its extremely disappointing the headlines you are met with. Now before anyone says it, of course people should read full articles if they are interested in the topic, but that point ignores the fact that headlines drive the narrative in the masses. Headlines are what gets into people's psyche.

Right now they have a headline "Covid Reproductive rate could be as high as 1.2 - NPHET".

Now I watched the press conference, and that could not be more in contrast to the tone struck by NPHET. They spoke of how it's a sign of the collective effort of people driving it down, and a bit more reinforcement of our own actions will get it below 1 to start the suppression again.

I never saw the incidence make headline news until last week, even when we had one of the lowest in Europe mid-summer (surely as newsworthy?). I saw a headline this morning about most difficult winter ever ahead according to the HSE.

When we first got hospital numbers below double digits at the end of July, they had a headline "Glynn Warns Pandemic Accelerating Across Europe". The hospital numbers were not even mentioned directly in the article, just a tweet from Donnelly referencing it was embedded.

I think Glynn is actually a brilliant communicator and very good at striking the balance between sounding words of caution and praising the public effort, while reiterating the key preventative measures. It's a hard balance to strike, especially when you have journalists trying to twist his words at times.

But I really do feel like RTE have no interest in striking that balance. The negative, ominous angle sells in their view and that's what they run with all day, every day.

02-09-2020 11:39PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

"you do realise" that if we see a resurgence in covid we'll first see a resurgence in suspected covid cases?

The suspected cases have been there in the data all along and mostly turn in to negatives

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 11:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not getting into this debate again tonight.

If im in a car crash, have a heart attack, anything that needs me to be admitted in to ICU in this example I'm tested on the way in. Symptoms or no symptoms. Until that test comes back negative in the eyes of the HSE I'm listed as a suspected case.

Fine.

I'm talking about using suspected cases as a valid metric for monitoring spread of the virus and eventual admissions to ICU.

Micky 32 · 02-09-2020 11:43PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The suspected cases have been there in the data all along and mostly turn in to negatives

Some people just don’t want to believe otherwise, takes the drama of the numbers away. It’s so easy to understand.

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 11:44PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Fine.

I'm talking about using suspected cases as a valid metric for monitoring spread of the virus and eventual admissions to ICU.

Suspected cases have never been a valid metric all along for the exact reason I've just mentioned.

You can't use them as a valid metric when you test anyone coming into a hosptial for whatever reason. How is Johnny being in a car crash and getting tested on the way in and then being listed as suspected cause because he's got a swab outstanding a valid metric to monitoring spread or the person who gets their covid test before an operation ?

The operations reports are there for you to look back over for yourself.

Its tedious having to repeat the same thing again and again with suspected cases

02-09-2020 11:45PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No it wasn't.

That is however what you've been arguing against.

It was the abject refusal of many posters to accept the possibility that there may actually be a large number of people who suffered no symptoms even though all evidence is there are. Including in Kildare as related by the cmo

SeaBreezes · 02-09-2020 11:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t know, and you don’t either, but what I do know is that even for those with long term effects, the majority will still live long fruitful lives.

Do you the effects the fear that some people are living in currently due to incessant negativity will have on Long term physical and mental health of a proportion of our population?

Panic police out in force tonight.

You are stating as fact the effects long term of covid that most scientists and doctors in the field dont even know or can commit to. How do you know?
Your wasted here on boards. Should be in the WHO. They need your insight.

Whos living in fear? Who is some people?

Caution does not equate to fear.

Facts assist with caution and knowledge helps make informed decisions.

Wolf359f · 02-09-2020 11:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not getting into this debate again tonight.

If im in a car crash, have a heart attack, anything that needs me to be admitted in to ICU in this example I'm tested on the way in. Symptoms or no symptoms. Until that test comes back negative in the eyes of the HSE I'm listed as a suspected case.

Its not that difficult to understand, the vast vast majority are negative.

As ACE pointed out last night, everyone in the community awaiting a result would technically be classes as a suspect case. We shouldn't mention that, or else the headlines would be reading over 10,000 suspect cases overnight.

political analyst · 02-09-2020 11:48PM

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6180738886001

Sky News Australia presenter Alan Jones reiterated the point made by the World Health Organisation that 99 per cent of coronavirus cases are mild.

See about 1 minute into the video on the page I've linked in this post.

stephenjmcd · 02-09-2020 11:48PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

As ACE pointed out last night, everyone in the community awaiting a result would technically be classes as a suspect case. We shouldn't mention that, or else the headlines would be reading over 10,000 suspect cases overnight.

Also a valid point and its the same thing basically just not reported in that way under the suspected cases heading.

US2 · 02-09-2020 11:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hospitals:
Beaumont (+3) - 12
St James (--) - 6
UHL (-1) - 4
Kilkenny (--) - 3
Connolly (--) - 2
Letterkenny (--) - 2
Tallaght (--) - 2
Tullamore (--) - 2
Wexford (+1) - 2
Crumlin (--) - 1
Mater (-1) - 1
Naas (-1) - 1
South Tipp (--) - 1
UHW (-1) - 1
Portlaoise (-1) - 0

Is South Tipp Clonmel Hospital? Wasn't aware of a covid ward up there.

02-09-2020 11:52PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Panic police out in force tonight.

You are stating as fact the effects long term of covid that most scientists and doctors in the field dont even know or can commit to. How do you know?
Your wasted here on boards. Should be in the WHO. They need your insight.

Whos living in fear? Who is some people?

Caution does not equate to fear.

Facts assist with caution and knowledge helps make informed decisions.

We have 26million cases worldwide, the vast majority of whom have fully recovered.

We also know that the majority of the long term issues that are seen are issues that people will recover from in time or live with relatively comfortably. These things bare repeating. People hear myocarditis and other medical terms and hear death sentence, when in reality, for the large majority it’s nothing of the sort.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 11:52PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I'd have to admit I would have rarely checked the RTE website prior to this all beginning, but since it started I do so frequently. This is mainly because I, like I'm sure everyone is, am desperate to hear of the day we have a serious breakthrough to have an end in sight to all of this.

I have to say its extremely disappointing the headlines you are met with. Now before anyone says it, of course people should read full articles if they are interested in the topic, but that point ignores the fact that headlines drive the narrative in the masses. Headlines are what gets into people's psyche.

Right now they have a headline "Covid Reproductive rate could be as high as 1.2 - NPHET".

Now I watched the press conference, and that could not be more in contrast to the tone struck by NPHET. They spoke of how it's a sign of the collective effort of people driving it down, and a bit more reinforcement of our own actions will get it below 1 to start the suppression again.

I never saw the incidence make headline news until last week, even when we had one of the lowest in Europe mid-summer (surely as newsworthy?). I saw a headline this morning about most difficult winter ever ahead according to the HSE.

When we first got hospital numbers below double digits at the end of July, they had a headline "Glynn Warns Pandemic Accelerating Across Europe". The hospital numbers were not even mentioned directly in the article, just a tweet from Donnelly referencing it was embedded.

I think Glynn is actually a brilliant communicator and very good at striking the balance between sounding words of caution and praising the public effort, while reiterating the key preventative measures. It's a hard balance to strike, especially when you have journalists trying to twist his words at times.

But I really do feel like RTE have no interest in striking that balance. The negative, ominous angle sells in their view and that's what they run with all day, every day.

Lol, another Gemma supporter, RTE is the Virus. Welcome aboard kid you should have been here last night.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 11:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not denying anything. I am discussing the real impact, not the imaginary acute myocarditis that’s going to be impacting all asymptomatic cases, which was the route this discussion was going down before we went down this blind alley.

Who said all asymptomatic cases suffer from am ?

I never said that ... I said there has been some...
that is you saying someone said that .

and as for blind alleys ...
Hand the girl a pair of glasses , someone , before she falls over her denial baggage!

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 11:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was the abject refusal of many posters to accept the possibility that there may actually be a large number of people who suffered no symptoms even though all evidence is there are. Including in Kildare as related by the cmo

Eh.. no

I think we can all accept that if there was an exceptional number of genuine asymptomatic carriers in recent outbreaks that warrant further international study, according to our top brass, then there should be further studies

Wolf359f · 02-09-2020 11:55PM

expectationlost wrote: »

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynKOqoMEzWJR
he speaks again at 20 minutes, he said they had very few hospitalizations in over 75's, does he mean people who are over 75 who still live in the community and as opposed nursing homes (many who didn't go to hospital)? ...no he was only taking about the last few weeks?

It's impossible to know the figures of over 75 in the community at the peak as some would have been nursing homes.
I think they are just worried with the high case numbers that it's going to spread into the older and more vulnerable as seen in other countries like South Korea.
We're not privy to the raw data so we don't know the details, but I think them mentioning it, is to get the message/warning out to the public.

When they introduced the recent household restrictions the public thought it was an overreaction. But I believe on the slides they were showing, you could see the household clusters increasing and then lowering after the restrictions came in. So I've a feeling the data is telling them of a worrying trend and they want to get out in front of it.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 11:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t know, and you don’t either, but what I do know is that even for those with long term effects, the majority will still live long fruitful lives.

Do you the effects the fear that some people are living in currently due to incessant negativity will have on Long term physical and mental health of a proportion of our population?

How can you know this ?
Magic ?

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 11:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have 26million cases worldwide, the vast majority of whom have fully recovered.

We also know that the majority of the long term issues that are seen are issues that people will recover from in time or live with relatively comfortably. These things bare repeating. People hear myocarditis and other medical terms and hear death sentence, when in reality, for the large majority it’s nothing of the sort.

have you any actual lived experience of this with covid?

Jinglejangle69 · 02-09-2020 11:58PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

have you any actual lived experience of this with covid?

Have you?

02-09-2020 11:59PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

have you any actual lived experience of this with covid?

It’s the effects that people are living with, not the virus, and the effects have other causes also that we have have loads of history with.

TonyMaloney · 03-09-2020 12:00AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Have you?

Yeah, my friend is still banjaxed from it

Jinglejangle69 · 03-09-2020 12:02AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Yeah, my friend is still banjaxed from it

Your "friend"

Cool story.

TonyMaloney · 03-09-2020 12:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the effects that people are living with, not the virus, and the effects have other causes also that we have have loads of history with.

this is a word salad

lets start from the start, why do you believe the long term effects of covid are overplayed?

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 12:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was the abject refusal of many posters to accept the possibility that there may actually be a large number of people who suffered no symptoms even though all evidence is there are. Including in Kildare as related by the cmo

Who are you referring to here?
If you are attributing that particular comment to a poster you should quote the post .
I for one have never said that . Nor do i believe it true.
Stop trying to blame others for the rabbit hole of your own making.

Happydays2020 · 03-09-2020 12:04AM

What happens if you are asymptomatic and test negative? Can you get the Covid payment?

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 12:06AM

US2 wrote: »

Is South Tipp Clonmel Hospital? Wasn't aware of a covid ward up there.

Would be in a side room , one patient ?

CalamariFritti · 03-09-2020 12:07AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

What happens if you are asymptomatic and test negative? Can you get the Covid payment?

In other words if you dont have covid?

I thought you can get the covid payment of you lost your job because of covid. Like you work in a pub and they're now closed.

mountgomery burns · 03-09-2020 12:08AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Lol, another Gemma supporter, RTE is the Virus. Welcome aboard kid you should have been here last night.

Oh I'm reading this thread too all the time, against my better judgement.

Not sure if it's great for the mental health either to be honest, although whatever your persuasion I guess venting does help deal with the situation. Just as long as we all try and keep it civil

P.S. I was delighted she got booked

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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