Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 08:24PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Except you can have very low oxygen and not know about it. It's called happy hypoxia. Why would someone get tested if they don't know there's something wrong.

This is the problem. Are they monitoring positive asymptomatics or just throwing out the word asymptomatic?

You'll know if your low in oxygen, your worried about nothing.

maebee · 02-09-2020 08:24PM

School near me closed today because of an outbreak:-

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/570927/breaking-a-school-near-the-limerick-border-closes-due-to-covid.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

A NATIONAL school located close to the Limerick county bounds has closed "immediately" as a number of staff members are close contacts of a case of Covid-19, the Leader has learned.

A text from the school to parents this Wednesday - seen by the Limerick Leader - reads: "We have been advised by the HSE that a number of staff members have been identified as close contacts of a case of Covid-19."

It goes on to say that, "On that basis they have to be excluded from school. It is not possible for the school to remain open without any permanent member of staff so unfortunately the school will have to close immediately".

The school hopes to reopen next week.

Separately, a number of pupils have been sent home from a primary school in west Dublin following a positive case of Covid-19 this Wednesday.

On Tuesday, a primary school in southwest Dublin sent a classroom of pupils home for two weeks on Tuesday following a confirmed case.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 08:27PM

Seamai wrote: »

The current girlfriend is only 30 so there you have it. At 83 he's at a very dodgy age but then he was always dodgy.

Worth it so, beats hiding behind the couch with a mask on.

DebDynamite · 02-09-2020 08:29PM

maebee wrote: »

School near me closed today because of an outbreak:-

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/570927/breaking-a-school-near-the-limerick-border-closes-due-to-covid.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Can you really call it an outbreak if not one staff member of the school has tested positive?

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 08:33PM

maebee wrote: »

School near me closed today because of an outbreak:-

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/570927/breaking-a-school-near-the-limerick-border-closes-due-to-covid.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Lahinch?

maebee · 02-09-2020 08:34PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Lahinch?

No, Meelick. It's on the Clare/Limerick border.

Gael23 · 02-09-2020 08:37PM

Am I correct that the reported death did not occur recently?

Jim_Hodge · 02-09-2020 08:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Except you can have very low oxygen and not know about it. It's called happy hypoxia. Why would someone get tested if they don't know there's something wrong.

This is the problem. Are they monitoring positive asymptomatics or just throwing out the word asymptomatic?

What do you mean by monitoring? Even mild symptomatic cases aren't actively monitored as such: Stay at home, take paracetamol etc.

Plumbthedepths · 02-09-2020 08:38PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Am I correct that the reported death did not occur recently?

June I believe.

Happydays2020 · 02-09-2020 08:38PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Am I correct that the reported death did not occur recently?

Over two months ago.

normanoffside · 02-09-2020 08:42PM

There was also a death denotified as well.
Not sure what is the point in even announcing it given that's a net of zero deaths anywa.

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1301209545000222722

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 08:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You'll know if your low in oxygen, your worried about nothing.

Not with this virus https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/455

So it's so easy to throw out the word asymptomatic if positive asymptomatics are not being monitored. Pretty sure, not everyone would have a pulse oximeter and monitor their own oxygen levels at home.

thecretinhop · 02-09-2020 08:45PM

The BCG thing is fascinating. Portugal have numbers similar to us. both countries bcg common.
spain no, much much higher rates and now much bigger spike. hmmm.

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 08:50PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

What do you mean by monitoring? Even mild symptomatic cases aren't actively monitored as such: Stay at home, take paracetamol etc.

Asymptomatic seems to be an easy word to throw out. But how exactly do they know people are truly asymptomatic and have no symptoms?

Happy hypoxia and low oxygen can happen with this. So of course someone will think they have no symptoms.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 08:52PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Not with this virus https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/455

So it's so easy to throw out the word asymptomatic if positive asymptomatics are not being monitored. Pretty sure, not everyone would have a pulse oximeter and monitor their own oxygen levels at home.

Ok your really not getting this, if you have symptoms like low oxygen you are symptomatic.
If you have no symptoms your asymptomatic.

Asymptomatic is a real word it means No symptoms, mild symptoms would be symptomatic.

Again like the other poster why are you trying to confuse things, I've a fair idea why seen as the pair of ye are at it.

Happydays2020 · 02-09-2020 09:00PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

The BCG thing is fascinating. Portugal have numbers similar to us. both countries bcg common.
spain no, much much higher rates and now much bigger spike. hmmm.

Why don’t we look within Ireland on that point? Cork did not have the BCG vaccine from 1972 for 36 years. But perhaps less relevant as those who did not get the vaccine are under 50x

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 09:01PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok your really not getting this, if you have symptoms like low oxygen you are symptomatic.
If you have no symptoms your asymptomatic.

Asymptomatic is a real word it means No symptoms, mild symptoms would be symptomatic.

Again like the other poster why are you trying to confuse things, I've a fair idea why seen as the pair of ye are at it.

That's entirely wrong. From start to finish.

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 09:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok your really not getting this, if you have symptoms like low oxygen you are symptomatic.
If you have no symptoms your asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic is a real word it means No symptoms, mild symptoms would be symptomatic.
Again like the other poster why are you trying to confuse things, I've a fair idea why seen as the pair of ye are at it.

You don't seem capable of understanding the difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
The reason why this is important is that there is abundant evidence that presymptomatic are highly contagious in the phase before they develop symptoms.
You are trying to simplify a situation so that you can comprehend it when it is more complex than that i.e.
The difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic
AND how do you know if someone is asymptomatic if you haven't actually checked them for possible symptoms.

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 09:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok your really not getting this, if you have symptoms like low oxygen you are symptomatic.
If you have no symptoms your asymptomatic.

Asymptomatic is a real word it means No symptoms, mild symptoms would be symptomatic.

Again like the other poster why are you trying to confuse things, I've a fair idea why seen as the pair of ye are at it.

I'm not trying to confuse things. You are symptomatic if you have low oxygen. But if people aren't being monitored, this is the problem. They don't know if they have low oxygen. So are these cases being labelled asymptomatic.

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:08PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

That's entirely wrong. From start to finish.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 09:09PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Exactly, thanks!

"Showing no symptoms"

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:09PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm not trying to confuse things. You are symptomatic if you have low oxygen. But if people aren't being monitored, this is the problem. They don't know if they have low oxygen. So are these cases being labelled asymptomatic.

Have you had the pleasure of seeing someone being starved of Oxygen, it sure doesn't sound like it..

Jinglejangle69 · 02-09-2020 09:09PM

4 deaths in August.

Jesus we will look back in this with shame.

Destroying many lives, businesses and the economy.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:12PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I didn't say any of those things nor did I challenge what the Doctor said, nor did I in fact come to any conclusions.
I challenged the unwarranted conclusion you drew from that statement.

I merely asked the question when following up on close contact, how you distinguish between asymptomatic versus presymptomatic, without the benefit of hindsight \ further elapsed time.

If you can point me to a test that shows someone within 14 days exposure is guaranteed to be asymptomatic, and not contaguious VERSUS presymptomatic i.e. contagious and go on to develop symptoms, I withdraw my remark.

i wouldnt do that.

Actually the point that these posters are making about those cases in Kildare being asymptomatic is entirely irrelevant , as shown by the spread in that county that took longer to contain .
Asymptomatic spread just as much , and at least if someone is presymptomatic , they will hopefully restrict their movements and contacts or self isolate once they start to show symptoms or be forced to do so .

Away With The Fairies · 02-09-2020 09:13PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Have you had the pleasure of seeing someone being starved of Oxygen, it sure doesn't sound like it..

I already provided a link. You clearly didn't read it.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/455

"Among the many surprises of the new coronavirus is one that seems to defy basic biology: infected patients with extraordinarily low blood-oxygen levels, or hypoxia, scrolling on their phones, chatting with doctors, and generally describing themselves as comfortable. Clinicians call them happy hypoxics."

Funsterdelux · 02-09-2020 09:14PM

Tax take isnt as bad as Renenue were expecting

drunkmonkey · 02-09-2020 09:15PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You don't seem capable of understanding the difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
The reason why this is important is that there is abundant evidence that presymptomatic are highly contagious in the phase before they develop symptoms.
You are trying to simplify a situation so that you can comprehend it when it is more complex than that i.e.
The difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic
AND how do you know if someone is asymptomatic if you haven't actually checked them for possible symptoms.

Will you stop trying to confuse things, I did not hear the Dr say we are really concerned that the very high number or asymptomatic people is a problem. Your making into a problem to suit an agenda the same as away with the fairies.
Again the back to BCG, it may explain the high number of asymptomatic, and the high number with mild symptoms and also the death rates in the 71+

bodhrandude · 02-09-2020 09:17PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

4 deaths in August.

Jesus we will look back in this with shame.

Destroying many lives, businesses and the economy.

Well they didn't bloody know it was going to be the case did they.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-09-2020 09:18PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Well they didn't bloody know it was going to be the case did they.

They know now.

Yet there is still 100s of thousands out of work over this virus that killed 4 people in August.

Goldengirl · 02-09-2020 09:18PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where are you going with this, I'm not getting the motivation, close contacts have been traced the vast majority were asymptomatic, there is no secondary tracing happening to their close contacts. Asymptomatic don't seem to be spreading a lethal dose of the virus.
I can see how you have concerns, I'm not seeing evidence to back them up though.
Back to the BCG, the evidence is starting to point to people who've had it are asymptomatic or get a mild dose of it. We've nearly all had the injection.

I hope you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you wrote this DM!

I am not seeing any evidence to back this up???

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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