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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    I'm after hearing from a second person now about the pubs apparently opening on the 13th

    The 13th is when the guidance for reopening the pubs will be published.

    The Government is looking at how to reopen all pubs safely and will put in place a new road map on September 13th to guide people, she said. It will tell them what is required of them and what is expected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I'm after hearing from a second person now about the pubs apparently opening on the 13th

    Haven't seen any rumour myself but its probably just that.
    A Sunday of all days ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm after hearing from a second person now about the pubs apparently opening on the 13th

    The next Friday the 13th... right?
    :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Monday 21st is looking likely. Intense lobbying from the two groups and a justice minister that seems to be listening.
    At the moment about 70 - 80% of licences won't be renewed after September if they dont open before months end


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The sample type is a nasopharyngeal swab, not saliva.

    These tests are still performed by a healthcare professional in a healthcare setting, like a GP surgery or acute hospital setting. It is a point of care test.

    Ok thanks. Just out of curiosity cos as a layman I would think if you have it you have it in your throat as well as in your nose. Why do they actually have to go up your nose also?

    Also whats the difference between acute hospital and hospital? Hospital with a pink ribbon? ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Well lads. I am off to the pub tonight for a few beverages. I do not need to order food and not a mask or tracing system in sight. I have done this for several weeks now.

    The only thing that is noticeable is the age profile of the punters has dropped dramatically. All the oldies are at home crapping their pants.

    God bless the Tories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I'm after hearing from a second person now about the pubs apparently opening on the 13th

    It appears that that a plan to do with the opening of pubs will be published on the 13th, but the pubs actually opening on the 13th is very unlikely.

    Irish Times report from a few hours ago:
    Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has said that new legislation giving further powers to the gardaí will pave the way for the reopening of pubs that do not serve food.

    The new powers, to be debated in the Dáil on its return today, will provide a road map for the future opening of all pubs, Ms McEntee said, as they will give greater guidance to gardaí and ensure compliance of measures.

    Such measures include social distancing, the wearing of visors, table service and ensuring there was a lead person in a group for contact tracing.

    Speaking on RTÉ Radio’s Today with Claire Byrne show, the Minister said the new legislation would allow so called “wet pubs” to prepare and plan for a future reopening.

    The Government is looking at how to reopen all pubs safely and will put in place a new road map on September 13th to guide people, she said. It will tell them what is required of them and what is expected.

    The Minister said her family had owned a pub for many years and she had worked in pubs as a student so she knew the industry and that the ”vast majority are doing a fantastic job”.

    Ms McEntee said she would like to see the remainder of pubs reopen and pointed out that Ireland is an outlier in Europe in this regard. Publicans deserve clarity, she said.

    She was speaking as a group of rural Independent TDs launched a blistering attack on the Government for “persecuting” rural publicans.

    The six members of the group used a media event on new Garda enforcement legislation to vent their anger at the Government’s decision to delay the reopening of wet pubs.

    Group leader Mattie McGrath accused the Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Green Party coalition of further persecuting rural publicans with new legislation that will allow gardaí to force the temporary closure of pubs not complying with Covid-19 regulations.

    The six members of the group used a media event on new Garda enforcement legislation to vent their anger at the Government’s decision to delay the reopening of wet pubs.

    Closure powers
    Group leader Mattie McGrath accused the Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Green Party coalition of further persecuting rural publicans with new legislation that will allow gardaí to force the temporary closure of pubs not complying with Covid-19 regulations.

    He said that the situation had now gone beyond critical and pointed to a large grass-roots protest involving publicans from Tipperary and elsewhere that would march on Leinster House next Tuesday.

    In an impassioned plea, the Kerry TD Danny Healy-Rae, who is himself a publican, said that the “man on the hill” in rural Ireland had no outlet to meet any of their friends or community.

    “The more it goes on the less chance the men on the hill will ever meet inside in their local pub. Many of the pubs around the country of Kerry, many of them will not open again.

    “They are seriously under pressure for money. They don’t have it. To think that these crumbs [the Government is] offering that is going to be alright. That is not alright lads.”

    He added: “There are people bawling with pain trying to see surgeons and they can’t get an appointment. There are people going blind and they can’t get their cataracts removed. There are so many things wrong in the country and this is what we are debating, to criminalise and penalise and victimise publicans. I for one will give them hell for whatever couple of minutes I get in the Dáil.”

    All of the TDs referred to hundreds of rural pubs never reopening because of the prolonged lockdown and what they said was the innate unfairness of a situation where crowds were being allowed into city pubs serving food, while country pubs which never had more than a handful of customers were still shuttered.

    “Rural Ireland is not the problem. Ye in Dublin are the problem,” said the Limerick TD Richard O’Donovan.

    He said that only four pubs in all of East Limerick remained open at the present time. “The pub is the last thing in rural Ireland. We have lost the banks and the post office and the shops and the banks. The pub was the last outlet and now they are taking it away,” he argued.

    Michael Collins of Cork South West accused the Government of having an agenda to shut down rural pubs. Carol Nolan (Offaly) said the Bill conveyed the impression that publicans were irresponsible and required criminal sanctions. “I think this is wrong,” she said.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see about this plan. I think the government will probably rush into a politically expedient decision because they've been seen to be extremely conservative - I fully expect the idea of letting the picture as regards schools to reveal itself fully before commiting to open pubs to be firmly flung out the window. A lot of vintners are out night and day in the media, ably supported by a few TDs - most of whom are either related to vinitners or are
    vintners themselves - reminding us all that it's the publicans that have truly suffered more than anyone during this, forget about the people who have died, or their families, or the healthcare workers at physical risk, or the children who have been out of school for months or the people who have lost their jobs completely. No, it's truly the poor publican whose suffering has trumped them all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    It appears that that a plan to do with the opening of pubs will be published on the 13th, but the pubs actually opening on the 13th is very unlikely.

    Irish Times report from a few hours ago:



    I guess we'll have to wait and see about this plan. I think the government will probably rush into a politically expedient decision because they've been seen to be extremely conservative - I fully expect the idea of letting the picture as regards schools to reveal itself fullybefore commiting to open pubs to be firmly flung out the window. A lot of vintners are out night and day in the media, ably supported by a few TDs - most of whom are either related to vinitners or are
    vintners themselves - reminding us all that it's the publicans that have truly suffered more than anyone during this, forget about the people who have died, or their families, or the healthcare workers at physical risk, or the children who have been out of school for months or the people who have lost their jobs completely. No, it's truly the poor publican whose suffering has trumped them all.

    A straight forward question, but do you live in an urban or rural area?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Ok thanks. Just out of curiosity cos as a layman I would think if you have it you have it in your throat as well as in your nose. Why do they actually have to go up your nose also?

    Also whats the difference between acute hospital and hospital? Hospital with a pink ribbon?
    You want to get the best sample possible. Taking a swab from deep within the nasal cavity means you're gathering the most viral particles possible. A quick swab from the mouth or saliva may not have enough viral material to be detected.

    Sorry for the confusion, what i meant by acute hospital setting is like A&E or assessment units where a quick result is desirable if a patient has to be triaged and treated quickly, and they can't wait for the lab result which will take a few hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    A straight forward question, but do you live in an urban or rural area?

    I'm from a rural area and still visit there several times a week. I'm no stranger to the rural pub.

    I know why you ask this question. That the rural pub plays an important role socially in rural Ireland. It does, I know that. And I do have sympathy for publicans, they are in a tight spot. But there's a lot of poor mouth BS in the media lately painting this picture that every pub in the land is this tiny establishment with a few oul lads in it, who'd simply die without it. Situations like this exist, but they aren't the full story, but that's the spin that's been put on it.

    And the unique risk in terms of further spread that a pub type environment poses has been completely forgotten in the debate at the moment.

    The publican's complaints aren't divorced from reality, but the way the debate about the reopening of pubs is being framed is deliberately painting a disengenously incomplete picture, in my view.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Sweet f all will happen to the 180 odd pubs who were found to be in breach of restrictions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    So did the two schools that informed parents go against HSE diktat that they can't inform parents? One to watch.
    I think every parent has a right to know if there has been a case in their class.

    https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1300765518358630400?s=20

    Not required: Doesn't mean not to.

    Anyway, it was done in agreement with the HSE.
    The decision to inform parents was made in conjunction with the Health Service Executive.

    In a letter to parents issued yesterday, the west Dublin school said all of those who had not been contacted by the HSE should attend school as normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,237 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How many schools in Dublin now have confirmed positive cases?

    I think every parent and teacher should be informed of any positive cases in their school even if not their class


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,060 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Anyone a link to the meeting, rte app has updated and can't see the live news now..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,910 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Any word on the cases?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Arghus wrote: »
    I'm from a rural area and still visit there several times a week. I'm no stranger to the rural pub.

    I know why you ask this question. That the rural pub plays an important role socially in rural Ireland. It does, I know that. And I do have sympathy for publicans, they are in a tight spot. But there's a lot of poor mouth BS in the media lately painting this picture that every pub in the land is this tiny establishment with a few oul lads in it, who'd simply die without it. Situations like this exist, but they aren't the full story, but that's the spin that's been put on it.

    And the unique risk in terms of further spread that a pub type environment poses has been completely forgotten in the debate at the moment.

    The publican's complaints aren't divorced from reality, but the way the debate about the reopening of pubs is being framed is deliberately painting a disengenously incomplete picture, in my view.

    I'm in a rural location and enjoyed my pint when the pub was open but this BS about the rural pub being an important beating heart of the rural community does my head in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,237 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Well lads. I am off to the pub tonight for a few beverages. I do not need to order food and not a mask or tracing system in sight. I have done this for several weeks now.

    The only thing that is noticeable is the age profile of the punters has dropped dramatically. All the oldies are at home crapping their pants.

    God bless the Tories.

    Do you wear nappies so to crap your pants while out :P enjoy your drinkies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    89 new cases

    1 new death RIP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Any word on the cases?

    89 bud lights and 1 bottle of Poitín.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Of today's 89 cases;

    - 53 are in Dublin
    - 15 are in Limerick
    - the remaining 21 cases are in Clare, Cork, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Meath, Offaly, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow

    - 8 cases identified as community transmission


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    R number estimated to be just above 1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The Department of Health has been notified of 89 additional cases of Covid-19 and one further death.


    But we knew this already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Of today's 89 cases;

    - 53 are in Dublin
    - 15 are in Limerick
    - the remaining 21 cases are in Clare, Cork, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Meath, Offaly, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow

    - 8 cases identified as community transmission

    Any word on what’s happening in limerick? ABP in Rathkeale?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Arghus wrote: »
    And the unique risk in terms of further spread that a pub type environment poses has been completely forgotten in the debate at the moment.

    Just to pick this out, i don't think it is being forgotten to be honest.

    The additional enforcement powers are a part of measures to mitigate in the hospitality environment to ensure its as safe as possible.

    Vast majorty of places are operating in a safe manner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    Death is from June.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Today’s death is from June


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Death dates back to June, so two weeks since a death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭boardise


    Well lads. I am off to the pub tonight for a few beverages. I do not need to order food and not a mask or tracing system in sight. I have done this for several weeks now.

    The only thing that is noticeable is the age profile of the punters has dropped dramatically. All the oldies are at home crapping their pants.

    God bless the Tories.

    I think I speak for everone in particular and no one in general when I say we're all extremely .proud of you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Beginning to get cases in older people. 42 currently in hospital. 8 admissions in the last 24 hours


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack




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