2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Leroy42 · 02-09-2020 10:34AM

It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.

namloc1980 · 02-09-2020 10:35AM

Penn wrote: »

Plus as stated, it was illegal for him to carry a gun outside. He was breaking the law. He did not have a permit and was underage.

He was breaking the law. And that was before he shot and killed two people.

Plus he's been charged with intentional homicide. But Trump and his supporters only selectively believe in law and order.

ohnonotgmail · 02-09-2020 10:36AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.

i wonder what the difference between the two people might have been.

randd1 · 02-09-2020 10:38AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.

It's almost as if skin colour was a determining factor in the level of restraint of the response of the police.

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:42AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

To work? Jebus, you have totally lost it?

Whi hired him for this 'work'. What were his responsibilities, who did he answer to? If he was working for someone, who was it and are they then not ultimately responsible to the killings and of course for his legal issues?

He was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha before he went to assist a local business owner in protecting his business that's why he was in Kenosha that day.

Kidchameleon · 02-09-2020 10:42AM

Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:44AM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Who was his employer? It's the first I'm hearing of this.

He was working as a community lifeguard.

"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/amp/?taid=5f4bf7e546b85b0001c04acf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

francois · 02-09-2020 10:45AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

Classic example of the argumentum ad ignorantiam logical fallacy

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:45AM

gmisk wrote: »

To work....what was his job exactly? And did it involve being underage carrying an assault rifle...does he need it to lifeguard?

The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.

gmisk · 02-09-2020 10:46AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

Because Donald Trump spouted the same rubbish with zero evidence?

Leroy42 · 02-09-2020 10:46AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha before he went to assist a local business owner in protecting his business that's why he was in Kenosha that day.

So a community lifeguards job is to handle firearms and protect local businesses? Really?

So, it appears that he left his actual job to 'work' on something else, which would imply a different job.

So again, who hired him? Who is he reporting too? What were his responsibilities? Was he considered part of the police force at the time, or a private security firm or was he acting as a militia?

namloc1980 · 02-09-2020 10:46AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

Bit of a concern that Homeland Security and the TSA are allowing uniformed domestic terrorists fly into the nation's capital with "gear" per Trump? Doesn't say much for the law and order president.

BTW: it's a lie. It's ok to admit Donald just made it up or is repeating a conspiracy theory.

Leroy42 · 02-09-2020 10:47AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.

Hold on, he did, you are claiming that he was working.

Which is it?

ohnonotgmail · 02-09-2020 10:48AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He was working as a community lifeguard.

"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/amp/?taid=5f4bf7e546b85b0001c04acf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

did the business owner specifically ask kyle and his friend to protect their business or did Kyle decide to show up to fulfill his cop fantasy? who gave rifles to a 17 year old? how far away from the business did the murders take place?

Leroy42 · 02-09-2020 10:48AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Bit of a concern that Homeland Security and the TSA are allowing uniformed domestic terrorists fly into the nation's capital with "gear" per Trump? Doesn't say much for the law and order president.

BTW: it's a lie. It's ok to admit Donald just made it up or is repeating a conspiracy theory.

To be fair to them, they were not only flying into Washington but on the same flight, at the same time they were also flying out of Washington.

Pretty hard to deal with that level of special powers

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:49AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

So a community lifeguards job is to handle firearms and protect local businesses? Really?

So, it appears that he left his actual job to 'work' on something else, which would imply a different job.

So again, who hired him? Who is he reporting too? What were his responsibilities? Was he considered part of the police force at the time, or a private security firm or was he acting as a militia?

What are you on about no one hired him to do anything?

A local business asked people for help and he and friend answered his call for help.

You can't defend a business from a violent mob without a weapon so they brought guns.

What would you expect them to do?

Politely ask the violent mob to stop being violent? :rolleyes:

gmisk · 02-09-2020 10:49AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.

Do you have a link to that? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
He was still underage....carrying an assault rifle..which wasn't clearly licensed to him either....so it is still illegal.

It also wasn't "work" no matter what way you spin it. He was a 17yo illegally carrying an assault rifle playing army basically, he boosted earlier about having a med kit....he should have stuck to sitting at home playing call of duty.

salmocab · 02-09-2020 10:50AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

What are you on about no one hired him to do anything?

A local business asked people for help and he and friend answered his call for help.

You can't defend a business from a violent mob without a weapon so they brought guns.

What would you expect them to do?

Politely ask the violent mob to stop being violent? :rolleyes:

Most normal people wouldn’t expect children to arm themselves

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:51AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did the business owner specifically ask kyle and his friend to protect their business or did Kyle decide to show up to fulfill his cop fantasy? who gave rifles to a 17 year old? how far away from the business did the murders take place?

The business owner put out a call for help and they answered his call.

His friend gave him the rifle.

I wasn't at the crime scene so how could I possibly know the answer to he last question?

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-09-2020 10:52AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Being charged with a crime does not make you guilty of a crime.

How is not supporting law enforcement he sent in the national guard to help the local police in Kenosha and the police chief was grateful for their help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXNs9neY4bU

You must believe Epstein died an innocent man so

Eric Cartman · 02-09-2020 10:52AM

gmisk wrote: »

Do you have a link to that? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
He was still underage....carrying an assault rifle...so it is still illegal.

It also wasn't "work" no matter what way you spin it. He was a 17yo illegally carrying an assault rifle playing army basically, he boosted earlier about having a med kit....he should have stuck to sitting at home playing call of duty.

the AR15 is not an 'assault rifle', its not fully automatic, it fires no differently to any standard hunting rifle and is not illegal.

There are states where you do not need a licence at all for a rifle. You do need a licence for a pistol like the one pointed at Kyle everywhere though...

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:53AM

gmisk wrote: »

Do you have a link to that? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
He was still underage....carrying an assault rifle..which wasn't clearly licensed to him either....so it is still illegal.

It also wasn't "work" no matter what way you spin it. He was a 17yo illegally carrying an assault rifle playing army basically, he boosted earlier about having a med kit....he should have stuck to sitting at home playing call of duty.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/amp/?taid=5f4bf7e546b85b0001c04acf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Statement from his lawyer detailing what happened.

gmisk · 02-09-2020 10:54AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the AR15 is not an 'assault rifle', its not fully automatic, it fires no differently to any standard hunting rifle and is not illegal.

There are states where you do not need a licence at all for a rifle. You do need a licence for a pistol like the one pointed at Kyle everywhere though...

Ok...so he was illegally carrying a rifle.
In that state do you need a license?
Are you allowed to open carry?
Are you allowed to have a rifle on the streets when you are 17 in that state?

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:55AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Hold on, he did, you are claiming that he was working.

Which is it?

I was responding to another poster that claimed he went to Kenosha with the sole intention of causing trouble.

I pointed out that the reason he was in Kenosha that day was to work as a community lifeguard so he was indeed working in Kenosha that day as a lifeguard.

Do try keep up.

Kidchameleon · 02-09-2020 10:57AM

LOL I said straight off the bat that I had no evidence. Keep your panties on. I have heard it before because clients in the US have spoken of it. Again just to be clear, it may or may not be true & I cannot prove I have heard it before.

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 10:58AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You must believe Epstein died an innocent man so

Nope he was convicted of a crime so he was 100% guilty.

"Epstein pleaded guilty and was convicted in 2008 by a Florida state court of procuring an underage girl for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

gmisk · 02-09-2020 11:00AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

LOL I said straight off the bat that I had no evidence. Keep your panties on. I have heard it before because clients in the US have spoken of it. Again just to be clear, it may or may not be true & I cannot prove I have heard it before.

Straight out of the Donald Trump playbook
It's been said...
I have heard...
Many people say...

Absolute complete and utter rubbish.

Penn · 02-09-2020 11:01AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I was responding to another poster that claimed he went to Kenosha with the sole intention of causing trouble.

I pointed out that the reason he was in Kenosha that day was to work as a community lifeguard so he was indeed working in Kenosha that day as a lifeguard.

Do try keep up.

It was illegal for him to carry the rifle outside. He was breaking the law. He chose to go out and defend that business (which he did not have to do) but chose to break the law in order to do so. He broke the law.

Do you agree?

LessOutragePlz · 02-09-2020 11:01AM

salmocab wrote: »

Most normal people wouldn’t expect children to arm themselves

I know I'd rather have an armed 17 year old defending my business rather than just letting it burn down.

Eric Cartman · 02-09-2020 11:02AM

gmisk wrote: »

Ok...so he was illegally carrying a rifle.
In that state do you need a license?
Are you allowed to open carry?
Are you allowed to have a rifle on the streets when you are 17 in that state?

Was it legal to carry a rifle at the protests?

If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin. Before Wisconsin passed a concealed carry law in 2011, gun rights advocates organized open-carry group outings and won acquittals or dismissals for several people arrested during the events. More recently, gun owners have been carrying assault-style rifles at demonstrations at state capitols against stay-at-home orders during the early months of the pandemic this spring.

Could the suspect carry the rifle legally?

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Tom Grieve, a Milwaukee defense lawyer who also specializes in gun cases, agreed the exception might apply beyond hunting, but said that part of the law is poorly drafted. He said he would argue to apply a rule of law that interprets ambiguous criminal statutes in favor of the defendant.

Rittenhouse could be in violation of having a gun within a gun-free zone, if there was one covering, for instance, a school nearby. Also, Illinois law requires anyone who owns any kind of firearm in that state to have a Firearm Owners Identification card, but that is only available to someone 21 or older, or someone with a sponsor who is 21 and eligible for a card.

Rittenhouse did not own the gun, his lawyer said Friday.

"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin."

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

The gun didn't cross state lines
open carry is legal there
he could use a loophole which allows 16 and 17 year olds carry for hunting
possession is a misdemeanour without the ID card.

on the balance of it , Kyle having and carrying the gun is less illegal than if he was carrying a bag of weed.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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