Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 04:11PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

We have a complete handle on this, very low hospitalisations and zero deaths over the last few days. The worst is over and there will be no second wave, just look at the below graph in relation to the UK.

There won't be a second wave, but they'll say there is so they can lock down the country again. It'll be a second wave of cases. They're all saying it at the same time. In New Zealand, Ireland. the UK, France etc. Another coincidence to add to the long list of coincidences.

dalyboy · 01-09-2020 04:35PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

There won't be a second wave, but they'll say there is so they can lock down the country again. It'll be a second wave of cases. They're all saying it at the same time. In New Zealand, Ireland. the UK, France etc. Another coincidence to add to the long list of coincidences.

It’s all very convenient alrite. It’s as if there is a few puppet masters in action

Assetbacked · 01-09-2020 04:42PM

NZ never had a first wave and yet the IT is talking about its second wave! This is set up for a narrative that there is a deadly second wave when in reality when we see NZ cases and deaths start to rise it will be because it only delayed its first wave!

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 04:42PM

dalyboy wrote: »

It’s all very convenient alrite. It’s as if there is a few puppet masters in action

Indeed. The Secretary-General of the UN said a few months ago there was a need for a 'new model of global governance'. Fast forward to August and the same UN is signing about "a new world order behind closed doors". But all just a coincidence, I'm sure.

facehugger99 · 01-09-2020 04:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

If we allowed the virus to simply get out of control, that 30 billion would be a lot larger. Our economy is expected to contract by around 6.5% this year (there or there about), it's a long way from "in the toilet".

Our 30 year bond yield is currently 0.442% - that 30 billion will cost us €132 million a year, which seems a cheap price to pay to bail out workers & companies which are suffering until we get a handle on this.

Rack up the debt, kick the can down the road and saddle up our kids with debt.

Just so you can feel safe.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 04:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

But will this new world order allow us to relax restrictions, because at least then it will have some ****ing relevance to the thread?

It is relevant to the thread. I'm offering an explanation as to why they have no desire to lift the restrictions. And my first post was in reply to a poster who mentioned Gates and what the poster described as conspiracy theories.

JDD · 01-09-2020 05:25PM

I've a lot more things to be worrying about that the lyric of a song sung at a concert half a world away. Not least that it was a song sung at a concert sponsored by the UN, which stopped being an effective organisation in the mid-nineties, and is the least likely international organisation to be organising a worldwide coup. If they are organising a coup, they'd be pretty sh*t at it if they're publically composing songs giving the game away.

If it was a WTO organised concert, I might pay it some attention.

Then again, probably not.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 05:33PM

JDD wrote: »

I've a lot more things to be worrying about that the lyric of a song sung at a concert half a world away. Not least that it was a song sung at a concert sponsored by the UN, which stopped being an effective organisation in the mid-nineties, and is the least likely international organisation to be organising a worldwide coup. If they are organising a coup, they'd be pretty sh*t at it if they're publically composing songs giving the game away.

If it was a WTO organised concert, I might pay it some attention.

Then again, probably not.

That song disturbed me. What on earth does "a new world order behind closed doors" mean? I can't send a link to the song, but it can be found easily on Google. Don't forget that the Secretary-General of the UN called for a new model of global governance a few months ago. And the UN isn't that ineffective. They did manage to sign the world up to Agendas 21 and 2030 after all. And another coincidence is that all of this is accelerating both.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 05:39PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

That song disturbed me. What on earth does "a new world order behind closed doors" mean? I can't send a link to the song, but it can be found easily on Google. Don't forget that the Secretary-General of the UN called for a new model of global governance a few months ago. And the UN isn't that ineffective. They did manage to sign the world up to Agendas 21 and 2030 after all. And another coincidence is that all of this is accelerating both.

My god. Who could have predicted that the signal for the overthrow of the free people of the Earth by the evil UN dictatorship would have started at this concert.

"The two-and-a-half-hour show featured contributions from 12 Pacific island nations, including musical performances from Jahboy of the Solomon Islands, Mia Kami of Tonga, Juny B of Kiribati, Te Vaka of New Zealand and many more. "

Do you know who the "many more" was? Let me tell you - a duet between Bill Gates and George Soros. Why would they leave this information out?

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 05:45PM

hmmm wrote: »

My god. Who could have predicted that the signal for the overthrow of the free people of the Earth by the evil UN dictatorship would have started at this concert.

"The two-and-a-half-hour show featured contributions from 12 Pacific island nations, including musical performances from Jahboy of the Solomon Islands, Mia Kami of Tonga, Juny B of Kiribati, Te Vaka of New Zealand and many more. "

Do you know who the "many more" was? Let me tell you - a duet between Bill Gates and George Soros. Why would they leave this information out?

Mock all you want, but when a global organisation is signing about "a new world order behind closed doors" and the Secretary-General of the same organisation is calling for global governance, I find it a bit concerning.

I didn't mention Gates or Soros.

Hrududu · 01-09-2020 05:46PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Mock all you want, but when a global organisation is signing about "a new world order behind closed doors" and the Secretary-General of the same organisation is calling for global governance, I find it a bit concerning.

I didn't mention Gates or Soros.

Isn’t there a conspiracy forum?

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 05:47PM

JDD wrote: »

I've a lot more things to be worrying about that the lyric of a song sung at a concert half a world away. Not least that it was a song sung at a concert sponsored by the UN, which stopped being an effective organisation in the mid-nineties, and is the least likely international organisation to be organising a worldwide coup. If they are organising a coup, they'd be pretty sh*t at it if they're publically composing songs giving the game away.

If it was a WTO organised concert, I might pay it some attention.

Then again, probably not.

But the World Economic Forum have being going on about The Great Reset for months. They've been giving the game away for months. Even if the UN came out tomorrow and said "We're setting up a one world government" people would still go around in masks and elbow bump each other.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 05:48PM

Hrududu wrote: »

Isn’t there a conspiracy forum?

What's the conspiracy? It happened.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 05:50PM

Anyway this has SFA to do with Restrictions.

The Germans think they have a V-shaped recovery underway. Just goes to show how getting control of the virus is also good for economic confidence:
https://www.thelocal.de/20200901/germany-can-and-will-avoid-second-coronavirus-lockdown-minister

CruelSummer · 01-09-2020 05:53PM

hmmm wrote: »

EU regulators won't be signing off on any vaccine which skips safety checks, and you'd be well advised to have a read of the vaccines thread before repeating talking points and phrases ("rushed vaccine") which are being deliberately spread by anti-vaxxers.

I see you posted yesterday in support of a ‘vaccine cert’ and other such measures.
Do you support mandatory vaccination of a population that does not need a vaccine? Some groups should get it, if the data shows it is safe but not everyone and we should not be held to ransom/billions to acquire it either.
Do you think it’s morally just to refuse lift the remaining restrictions unless the population agrees to be vaccinated?
The term anti-vaxx has become convenient at the moment, just like ‘conspiracy theorist’. I am neither and would consider myself a mainstream party voter. However a Covid Health Passport being pushed by one of our top professors should make everyone sit up and take notice. Any vaccine that comes out this year or next is rushed, no amount of propaganda will change that. They need time to assess long term affects of their jabs as well as short term, which they don’t have. I’ve had many vaccines over the years for travel, etc.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 05:58PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Do you support mandatory vaccination of a population that does not need a vaccine? Some groups should get it, if the data shows it is safe but not everyone and we should not be held to ransom/billions to acquire it either.
Do you think it’s morally just to refuse lift the remaining restrictions unless the population agrees to be vaccinated?

No I don't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine.

But a vaccine does not provide perfect protection, and we can still have outbreaks as long as there are large numbers of unvaccinated people. We have rights too.

I think business should be allowed get rid of social distancing requirements, as long as they admit only vaccinated people. We should also not be allowing unvaccinated people potentially carrying the disease into the country. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed work near vulnerable people such as in hospitals or nursing homes.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 06:05PM

hmmm wrote: »

Anyway this has SFA to do with Restrictions.

The Germans think they have a V-shaped recovery underway. Just goes to show how getting control of the virus is also good for economic confidence:

I'll pop over to the Conspiracy forum so

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 06:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

No I don't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine.

But a vaccine does not provide perfect protection, and we can still have outbreaks as long as there are large numbers of unvaccinated people. We have rights too.

I think business should be allowed get rid of social distancing requirements, as long as they admit only vaccinated people. We should also not be allowing unvaccinated people potentially carrying the disease into the country. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed work near vulnerable people such as in hospitals or nursing homes.

So not forced, but actually forced because otherwise you can't really do anything.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 06:10PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

So not forced, but actually forced because otherwise you can't really do anything.

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread. Why should businesses have to keep up the restrictions because of the choices of a small group of people? The people who are currently cocooning should also be allowed to mix freely in society and not have their health put at risk.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 06:21PM

hmmm wrote: »

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread. Why should businesses have to keep up the restrictions because of the choices of a small group of people? The people who are currently cocooning should also be allowed to mix freely in society and not have their health put at risk.

So what would suggest the people who don't want to get vaccinated do? Take no part in society?

I created a thread on the Conspiracy forum about the song. I won't mention it again on this thread.

Lundstram · 01-09-2020 06:22PM

10 days, no deaths. I’m still waiting for the body count from the chilling and Brady’s Ham that was predicted here over 3 weeks ago.

Pubs still closed, 190k still collecting PUP every week.

You’d laugh if it wasn’t so serious.

Spanish Eyes · 01-09-2020 06:24PM

OK, this is a bit of a mad thread, but I'll put my head above the parapet now.

Everything is open. APART FROM....

Gaa spectators and other sports too.
Weddings with more than 40 guests if you factor in the staff, musicians and so on
Gigs
Concerts.
Pubs with no beer, sorry no food lol.

Public Transport is slightly curtailed number wise.

Have I forgotten anything?

hmmm · 01-09-2020 06:25PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

So what would suggest the people who don't want to get vaccinated do? Take no part in society?

There's plenty of people on this thread telling the elderly and vulnerable they should just stay out of society, why is it any different? Should the vulnerable have to stay out of society forever?

As soon as a vaccination becomes available the vulnerable should be allowed mix freely again. And business should be allowed reopen fully. If a small group want to opt out of all this that's their right, but their rights end at the point where they pose a risk to other people.

CruelSummer · 01-09-2020 06:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

No I don't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine.

But a vaccine does not provide perfect protection, and we can still have outbreaks as long as there are large numbers of unvaccinated people. We have rights too.

I think business should be allowed get rid of social distancing requirements, as long as they admit only vaccinated people. We should also not be allowing unvaccinated people potentially carrying the disease into the country. Unvaccinated people should not be allowed work near vulnerable people such as in hospitals or nursing homes.

So...in other words, you believe one’s rights should be taken away if they’re not vaccinated. You’re talking of indirectly forcing people to be vaccinated by ‘shutting them out’ of society.
Do you support the Health Passport Ireland idea?

Micky 32 · 01-09-2020 06:27PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

So what would suggest the people who don't want to get vaccinated do? Take no part in society?

I created a thread on the Conspiracy forum about the song. I won't mention it again on this thread.

Me personally will hope that people who refuse to take it will have restrictions imposed on them . This virus has disrupted lives and damaging the economy. The government won’t take lightly people refusing to take a succesful vaccine considering the damage this virus is causing.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 06:28PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So...in other words, you believe one’s rights should be taken away if they’re not vaccinated.

Do the elderly have rights?
The vulnerable?
Businesses?

If you don't want to get vaccinated that's your decision, but the rest of the country can't keep itself in hiding or on hold for your "rights". We'll be reopening and getting back to work and play as quickly as possible.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 06:31PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's plenty of people on this thread telling the elderly and vulnerable they should just stay out of society, why is it any different? Should the vulnerable have to stay out of society forever?

As soon as a vaccination becomes available the vulnerable should be allowed mix freely again. And business should be allowed reopen fully. If a small group want to opt out of all this that's their right, but their rights end at the point where they pose a risk to other people.

Not me. I would encourage them to come out. It's bizarre to think that a person could be so scared that they wouldn't wish to come out of the house. But when people watch RTÉ and read the Irish Times every day then it's not surprising.

Dionaibh · 01-09-2020 06:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Me personally will hope that people who refuse to take it will have restrictions imposed on them . This virus has disrupted lives and damaging the economy. The government won’t take lightly people refusing to take a succesful vaccine considering the damage this virus is causing.

It's not the virus that's causing the damage, it's the people who are obsessed with the present casedemic we find ourselves in.

What kind of restrictions?

normanoffside · 01-09-2020 06:36PM

Lundstram wrote: »

10 days, no deaths.

Not reported as a headline anywhere.
Will we have to go a month/year without a covid death before it becomes a story?

Assetbacked · 01-09-2020 06:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

Anyway this has SFA to do with Restrictions.

The Germans think they have a V-shaped recovery underway. Just goes to show how getting control of the virus is also good for economic confidence:
https://www.thelocal.de/20200901/germany-can-and-will-avoid-second-coronavirus-lockdown-minister

But, but.... Germany aren't on our green list.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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