How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

redunited · 01-09-2020 12:04PM

One of my children sent me this photo from their secondary school.

The Soap in the Bathroom, just about all gone on day 1, literally something I could have picked up from the local shop!

SusanC10 · 01-09-2020 12:07PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0901/1162526-coronavirus-school/

woodchuck · 01-09-2020 12:08PM

Class sent home from Dublin school after positive Covid-19 case:
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0901/1162526-coronavirus-school/

Well, that was quick

TheValeyard · 01-09-2020 12:09PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0901/1162526-coronavirus-school/

Well that didn't take long

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 12:15PM

redunited wrote: »

One of my children sent me this photo from their secondary school.

The Soap in the Bathroom, just about all gone on day 1, literally something I could have picked up from the local shop!

Shouldn't you be emailing this to the principal of the school?

iamwhoiam · 01-09-2020 12:16PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well that didn't take long

“ the child did not contract it through the school “

josip · 01-09-2020 12:19PM

Yes, it will probably be the end of this week before any school-related results from the opening days are known.

josip · 01-09-2020 12:20PM

redunited wrote: »

One of my children sent me this photo from their secondary school.

The Soap in the Bathroom, just about all gone on day 1, literally something I could have picked up from the local shop!

Do they have running hot water in their school ?
Or just the taps?

SusanC10 · 01-09-2020 12:23PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0901/1162526-coronavirus-school/

Will see what the protocol is now. Whole class sent home which is good.
Hopefully the child in question has not transmitted the virus to anyone else at the school.

TheValeyard · 01-09-2020 12:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

“ the child did not contract it through the school “

No, but maybe the children next to him/her will.

redunited · 01-09-2020 12:37PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Shouldn't you be emailing this to the principal of the school?

This is day one, any good principal would be fully aware of what was going on in their school.

I doubt emailing would make a difference, just invite lots of bland excuses and a target on my child.

Lyle · 01-09-2020 12:38PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0901/1162526-coronavirus-school/

My understanding of the guidance, although it might be decided school by school, was that only a pod (table group) would be sent home if a case was confirmed, rather than the whole class bubble. Is that correct?

If it is, it's great to see that on the very first case either public health or the school have properly evaluated the situation and decided to send the whole class home rather than sticking strictly to the guidance and only sending home that child's little pod. I had concerns that my fella could've been in a class with a confirmed case but not isolated because he wasn't sitting at the same table. His school hadn't been very clear on that procedure, so this is actually reassuring.

SusanC10 · 01-09-2020 12:39PM

Lyle wrote: »

My understanding of the guidance, although it might be decided school by school, was that only a pod (table group) would be sent home if a case was confirmed, rather than the whole class bubble. Is that correct?

If it is, it's great to see that on the very first case either public health or the school have properly evaluated the situation and decided to send the whole class home rather than sticking strictly to the guidance and only sending home that child's little pod. I had concerns that my fella could've been in a class with a confirmed case but not isolated because he wasn't sitting at the same table. His school hadn't been very clear on that procedure, so this is actually reassuring.

Agreed. Though not every school is using "pods". Our primary school has both classes of every year in a bubble - no pods.

munchkin_utd · 01-09-2020 12:43PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

No, but maybe the children next to him/her will.

if the child has had a test, then thats 24 or 48 hours after the test was taken, probably longer. The child also most likely didnt go and get a test the instant, the second they had symptoms, most likely again a delay.

The vast majority of people who develop symtoms are only infectious for about 5 days, and a couple of days are likely to have passed before they show symptoms

So, add all that delay together (couple of days incubation + day or 2 before the test + day or 2 for the result) and its likely the child didnt infect anyone as they werent infectious in the first place

but lets not get logic in the way of a good panic.

TonyMaloney · 01-09-2020 12:44PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

if the child has had a test, then thats 24 or 48 hours after the test was taken, probably longer. The child also most likely didnt go and get a test the instant, the second they had symptoms, most likely again a delay.

The vast majority of people who develop symtoms are only infectious for about 5 days, and a couple of days are likely to have passed before they show symptoms

So, add all that delay together (couple of days incubation + day or 2 before the test + day or 2 for the result) and its likely the child didnt infect anyone as they werent infectious in the first place

but lets not get logic in the way of a good panic.

the school in question has been open since Wednesday, according to the article.

so actually there was plenty of time

Van.Bosch · 01-09-2020 12:46PM

Lyle wrote: »

My understanding of the guidance, although it might be decided school by school, was that only a pod (table group) would be sent home if a case was confirmed, rather than the whole class bubble. Is that correct?

If it is, it's great to see that on the very first case either public health or the school have properly evaluated the situation and decided to send the whole class home rather than sticking strictly to the guidance and only sending home that child's little pod. I had concerns that my fella could've been in a class with a confirmed case but not isolated because he wasn't sitting at the same table. His school hadn't been very clear on that procedure, so this is actually reassuring.

It’s good if that level of assessment has gone into it, it’s bad if the guidelines are being ignored on issue 1.

ThewhiteJesus · 01-09-2020 12:46PM

maybe we should lock children away until there's a vaccine.
Them and old people

JDD · 01-09-2020 12:50PM

Definitely agree on the whole class being sent home, that's smart on the HSE's part. Presumably that means they'll all be tested, rather than just waiting 5-7 days to see if they develop any symptoms.

This is my point though. I'd say the testers have turned around that kid's test very quick - probably only had it yesterday. And I'd say the contract tracers will be on this like a flash and the rest of the class will be tested by tomorrow. But if he/she was ill on Friday and tested over the weekend, wouldn't you want to know so that you could have kept your child home yesterday, pending the result? For all you know, your child could have given the positive child the virus, only that your child is asymptomatic. That day or two could make all the difference in stopping other children getting infected, spreading it to their siblings and having other classes in the school be sent home too.

I say if a GP assesses you are a risk, and you are booked in for a test, you should let your class know that. It's only one or two days off. I get that it shouldn't be made compulsory or anything - a child's medical information is private. But if you volunteer to share the information, I see nothing wrong in that.

Locotastic · 01-09-2020 12:51PM

wily minx wrote: »

But what is considered 'close contact'? Pod or bubble? Because if there is a positive case in my child's class I want to know about it. I am grown up enough not to panic but would opt to avoid their grandparents for a couple of weeks.

But here's the problem, you're not entitled to know.

You won't know unless a contact tracer calls you, even then they won't tell you who the close contact was. They will simply tell you that you're a close contact and arrange a test.

Pod would be close contact, for bubble depends on what public heath team determines.

Close contacts:

"spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has coronavirus, indoor or outdoor

living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has coronavirus

sitting within 2 seats of someone who has coronavirus on public transport or an airplane

Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has coronavirus will sometimes count as close or casual contact.

This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments".

Van.Bosch · 01-09-2020 12:52PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

maybe we should lock children away until there's a vaccine.
Them and old people

All in one room - the pubs would be packed with the rest of us!

TonyMaloney · 01-09-2020 12:53PM

JDD wrote: »

Definitely agree on the whole class being sent home, that's smart on the HSE's part. Presumably that means they'll all be tested, rather than just waiting 5-7 days to see if they develop any symptoms.

This is my point though. I'd say the testers have turned around that kid's test very quick - probably only had it yesterday. And I'd say the contract tracers will be on this like a flash and the rest of the class will be tested by tomorrow. But if he/she was ill on Friday and tested over the weekend, wouldn't you want to know so that you could have kept your child home yesterday, pending the result? For all you know, your child could have given the positive child the virus, only that your child is asymptomatic. That day or two could make all the difference in stopping other children getting infected, spreading it to their siblings and having other classes in the school be sent home too.

I say if a GP assesses you are a risk, and you are booked in for a test, you should let your class know that. It's only one or two days off and then

I don't think the policy is to test the whole class.

I think they'll be asked to isolate for 14 days and if they develop symptoms they will then be asked to contact their GP to arrange a test.

I could be wrong on this though

Lyle · 01-09-2020 12:53PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

It’s good if that level of assessment has gone into it, it’s bad if the guidelines are being ignored on issue 1.

I'd disagree with you there a little, because a lot of people had concerns about that part of the guidelines. It wasn't ignored as such, as we were told an assessment would be carried out on a case-by-case basis and that whole classes could be sent home (which is the safest option given the overcrowding in most classrooms) but the base line was for just the pod to be isolated. I think it's good to see that flexibility and assessment in action straight away, especially for parents of children in high risk groups.

Van.Bosch · 01-09-2020 12:54PM

Lyle wrote: »

I'd disagree with you there a little, because a lot of people had concerns about that part of the guidelines. It wasn't ignored as such, as we were told an assessment would be carried out on a case-by-case basis and that whole classes could be sent home (which is the safest option given the overcrowding in most classrooms) but the base line was for just the pod to be isolated. I think it's good to see that flexibility and assessment in action straight away, especially for parents of children in high risk groups.

Fair point - that’s good so.

JDD · 01-09-2020 12:59PM

Close contacts:

"spending more than 15 minutes of face-to-face contact within 2 metres of someone who has coronavirus, indoor or outdoor

living in the same house or shared accommodation as someone who has coronavirus

sitting within 2 seats of someone who has coronavirus on public transport or an airplane

Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with someone who has coronavirus will sometimes count as close or casual contact.

This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.

Public health doctors or contact tracers will let you know if you are at risk during contact tracing and public health risk assessments".

When in God's name was that drafted? May?

Isn't it pretty much accepted now that the virus is airborne and you could absolutely catch it if you are in an indoor space with an infected person, even if you are more than 2 metres away? Isn't that the absolute whole point of us wearing masks?

That guidance was drafted so that they could open the schools, pretending that only a pod would be infected if there was a positive case. We know, the HSE know, the contact tracers know and the government knows that the whole class should be treated as close contacts. Hence why they were all sent home.

I'll bank my house that all the children in that class will be tested. The government's chances of surviving to Christmas depend completely on keeping outbreaks in schools low. If the first school to be infected, only four days after schools reopened, has a more widespread outbreak it's curtains for the FFFG/Green coalition.

Dressoutlet · 01-09-2020 01:01PM

Apparently, The child was asymptomatic and tested due to being a close contact of a positive case. The child was then sent to school before the results were given.

Dempo1 · 01-09-2020 01:02PM

A primary school in Dublin as just sent an entire class home after a child has tested positive. Breaking news on RTE

Lillyfae · 01-09-2020 01:03PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Apparently, The child was asymptomatic and tested due to being a close contact of a positive case. The child was then sent to school before the results were given.

Nice :mad:

Locotastic · 01-09-2020 01:04PM

JDD wrote: »

When in God's name was that drafted? May?

If the first school to be infected, only four days after schools reopened, has a more widespread outbreak it's curtains for the FFFG/Green coalition.

Last update to that guidance was yesterday, I have heard of a lot of people returning from abroad (non green list countries) in the last week and some of them aren't following quarantine either.

Sending kids off into school then too, there will be many more cases and clusters as a result and selfishness will ruin it for everyone.

SusanC10 · 01-09-2020 01:06PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Apparently, The child was asymptomatic and tested due to being a close contact of a positive case. The child was then sent to school before the results were given.

Surely if a child is being tested due to being a close contact, then they should kept at home until the result comes through.

Locotastic · 01-09-2020 01:07PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Apparently, The child was asymptomatic and tested due to being a close contact of a positive case. The child was then sent to school before the results were given.

Irresponsible selfish, how can they be so ignorant?

For those who think there's no stigma attached to the virus, people who do things like this deserve the stigma.

Once you're being tested as a close contact it's clear you restrict movements for 14 days regardless.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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