Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

podgeandrodge wrote: »

2 interesting (to me) pieces from Irish Times and RTE:

IRISH TIMES: The incidence of Covid-19 in Ireland is higher than it is in Sweden for the first time in the pandemic, new figures show.

Ireland recorded 30.6 cases of the virus per 100,000 population over the last 14 days, according to an update today from the European Centre for Disease Control (ECDC).

This is up to 12 times higher than Ireland’s lowest incidence, recorded in late June, but marks a slight improvement on the previous day after weeks of steady increase.

Sweden, where aversion to lockdowns and most other stringent restrictions has attracted massive international scrutiny, saw its incidence drop steeply in the latest ECDC update, to 23.4 cases per 100,000 population.

The death rate in both countries is the same, at 0.1 per 100,000 population over the past 14 days.

At least 17 other European countries now have lower incidences of Covid-19 than Ireland, despite many of them experiencing increases over the past few months.

The figures show that while Ireland was not alone in experiencing a rise in cases over this period, its surge was bigger than in many other EU states.

RTE)
Sweden attracted worldwide attention earlier this year when it stayed open throughout the first months of the coronavirus pandemic, and now it is holding out again, this time refusing to recommend the use of masks.

While most of the world has come to terms with covering their noses and mouths in crowded places, people in Sweden are going without, riding buses and metros, shopping for food, and going to school maskless, with only a few rare souls covering up.

Public health officials there argue that masks are not effective enough at limiting the spread of the virus to warrant mass use, insisting it is more important to respect social distancing and hand-washing recommendations.

The Scandinavian country has the world's seventh highest death toll at 575 per million inhabitants, mainly due to its failure to protect the elderly in nursing homes in the early stages of the pandemic.

Sweden never closed its schools, businesses or cafes and restaurants, allowing the virus to circulate, and has therefore had a consistently high level of community transmission.

But unlike many countries in Europe seeing a resurgence of cases - such as France, the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Spain and Italy - Sweden's data now seems to be pointing in the right direction: down.

Its daily death toll peaked in April and is now down to a couple of deaths a day, the number of cases have been in steady decline since early June, and its R-number has pretty much stayed under 1 since early July.

Health agency director-general Johan Carlson told a press conference on 18 August that there may be situations - such as doctor and dentist visits and on public transport - where face mask recommendations could be issued.

State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency insists scientific studies have not proven that masks are effective in limiting the spread of the virus, suggesting they can do more harm than good if used sloppily.

"There are at least three heavyweight reports - from the World Health Organization, the ECDC and The Lancet report that the WHO cites - which all state that the scientific evidence is weak. We haven't carried out our own assessment," he recently told reporters.

Meanwhile, Spain has registered more than 23,000 new coronavirus cases since Friday, health emergency chief Fernando Simon told a news conference today, suggesting the infection rate had declined slightly from a peak reached the previous week.

Health ministry data showed 2,489 new cases were diagnosed in the past 24 hours, while the cumulative total of cases since the onset of the pandemic hit 462,858.

Five people died in the past day, bringing the total death toll to 29,094, the data showed.

The latest statistics could be modified in future as Spain retroactively adjusts its daily data.

The United Kingdom recorded 1,406 daily confirmed cases of Covid-19, according to government data published today, down from 1,715 a day earlier.

Two people died within 28 days of testing positive for the disease, the daily statistics release said, bringing the total death toll under that measure to 41,501.


Finally, proof that not getting hysterical helps, and that masks cause coronavirus :pac:

I reckon it’s as plain as day that masks are increasing the spread of the virus. The exact month that the government did their extraordinary uturn on masks in shops etc we had an upswing in infection numbers.

You can see it clearly , 50% of the people wearing them have them stuck into their mouths when they should be above their noses. They then put these dirty masks in their pockets (On top of their phones , wallets , loose change , purses etc) and then are effectively passing the virus onto other people.

By wearing masks we are only preventing ourselves from building up herd immunity ..plus the damage its doing to peoples skin....plus the fact that what your body has to exhale .can't get away fast enough and only inhaling some it back....how to deal with it is to have the vulnerable in us .ie ..the elderly .People with underlying conditions to isolate themselves as much from society as best they can and the healthy in us go about life in a normal fashion so our system can identify with the virus and create an immunity to it...end of ...

DubInMeath wrote: »

You realise that people have been wearing masks for hours for most of their working lives without any issues

Yes but that's a minority....

odyssey06 wrote: »

Doesnt make sense.
How did the infection get onto the mask...
How did having the mask magically attract the virus...
The most likely source of infection on amask is the wearer.

Eh , the person was already infected . No magic in it. Have another think about / reread what I wrote again. It makes sense and the dates of high infection rates correlate too

Denny61 wrote: »

Yes but that's a minority....

And their skin is fine, as is the air they are breathing .

dalyboy wrote: »

Eh , the person was already infected . No magic in it. Have another think about / reread what I wrote again. It makes sense and the dates of high infection rates correlate too

Strange they were wearing masks in czech republic, japan, s korea and didnt have this correlation.

Good job they were wearing the mask then to contain their infectious droplets.
If the person was already infected.
Doubtless the contents of their pockets were already contaminated.
The mask didnt increase their risk of spreading it. Far from it.

Denny61 wrote: »

well you ask a lot of the front line workers that have to wear them.anything up to ten hours .wearing all other ppe.gowns etc .my sister is a nurse and says 30 percent of their skin is breaking down .

Now you're on a different tack altogether. My daughter and sister in law are nurses and wear masks most of the day. Back in April they wore them for 12 hours a day. Yes, they had some skin issues from particular PPE but not from what we would refer to as surgical masks. People are generally not being asked to wear face coverings constantly for 12 hours per day .

You're now equating full PPE for excessive periods in a medical setting with occasional face covering by the general public.

jackboy wrote: »

Maybe, but we won’t know who to follow until it is all over.

I think a lot of the Swedish deaths were due to letting the virus into nursing homes, like us. An awful lot of countries seem to have made that error.

NZ why not follow them?
Personally Id be following the countries with the least excess deaths..

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1300549530677542913?s=20

[Deleted User] wrote: »

About the masks, prior to wearing them I never touched my face. It's just something I wouldn't have done. Now I'm always pulling at the feckin thing because it needs adjusting or I start to get really hot or find it difficult to breathe

It's possible that you did touch your face pre-mask but it didn't register with you. I know when the pandemic started I became very aware of how often I touched my face, something which I wasn't even aware of up to then.

HSE Daily Operations Update

35 in hospital, increase of 2.
4 confirmed cases in hospitals today - 2 in Beaumont, 1 in Portlaoise and 1 in St. James'.
6 in ICU and 5 ventilated, increase of 1 in each, respectively.