Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I think the "loophole" needs to be closed completely. Restaurants only open. No alcohol sales. No pubs selling chipper food pretending to be restaurants.

You "need" a drink with your food? Great we have coke, Fanta, water etc. Are we really so hopelessly alcohol dependent that this **** is ok so long as we can get a pint?

Where—

(a) circumstances have arisen in which a provision of this Part of this Act or of any regulations made thereunder requires a person to take a precaution against the infection of other persons with a particular infectious disease, and

(b) such person has failed to take the precaution, and

(c) any other person has been without his knowledge exposed by such failure to the risk of infection with the disease, and after such exposure has been infected with the disease,

in any action against the first-mentioned person by such other person for damages suffered by reason of his having been infected with the disease, the Court shall presume that such infection was the direct result of the failure to take the precaution unless the Court is satisfied (and the onus of so satisfying the Court shall lie on the defendant) that by reason of the time of such infection or for any other reason it was unlikely that such failure caused such infection.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If people were on a sinking ship, it would be the selfish anti-maskers who would want the life jackets.

mcburns07 wrote: »

Jesus I hate leaps in logic like this. We're a nation of sourpusses.

(And for the record I think the carry on in the Killarney video was moronic and childish Covid or not).

Strumms wrote: »

Too true, they’ll probably be the first ones demanding to be first to get the vaccine too.

Caquas wrote: »

The legal floodgates may be about to open.

It turns out that under Irish law, if you get COVID-19 and you claim you got it somewhere which failed to obey the pandemic precautions, the court will presume that the damages you suffered due to the infection were the direct result of that failure to take the precaution. So you don't need to prove a direct link between the breach of the rules and your infection. The onus is on the defendant.

That's according to S.43 of the Health Act 1947 which provides:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/party-host-could-be-liable-if-visitor-gets-covid-19-says-barrister-1.4342283

Any pub which breaks the COVID rules is asking for trouble. Who will insure against this?



Roll up, roll up... don't tell me your asymptomatic, the shock of testing positive must have traumatised you.

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not a leap in logic.. it’s perfectly logical and psychological. People who believe they are entitled to flout restrictions and do as they like and fûck anyone and everyone as regards socializing and distancing.... when the vaccine arrives it will be simply them once AGAIN feeling entitled and fûck everyone else, they will want the vaccine first.

s1ippy wrote: »

I think this is just to put a further deterrent in place. Schools will be putting themselves in positions of huge legal risk if this is the case as they're telling people to congregate in huge numbers. The government is encouraging attendance and Tusla will supposedly follow up if you decide not to send your children. What it comes down to is - unless you were NOWHERE else, and how do you prove that, you won't be able to make much of a case.

In this reprehensible document
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/COVID-19%20Management%20of%20cases%20and%20contacts%20in%20the%20school%20setting.pdf
it says "if all appropriate measures were taken by the index adult", which presumes a huge deal about where fault lies if there is a failure of PPE, areas are crowded (sometimes beyond people's control) or if somebody else does something that compromises your safety. It's all a blame game.

On another note, there are several instances now where reinfection with covid has been detected now. Not just that the virus was left over, but that the person actually gets sick from covid again. It seems obvious to people who have known for months now that this virus damages cells, blood vessels and organs and the immune system when you're body is fighting it. It's like HIV in the way it can reinfect you again down the line, even after you fully recover. It's completely vicious and now there are a tonne of strains. It's becoming more unlikely a vaccine would work.

At the start, RTÉ were saying you had to be in a room with someone symptomatic for 2m for 15 minutes. Some people managed to figure out that that aerosol transmission posed a much greater threat than was being indicated. While they were saying masks were dangerous, we had learned how to correctly fit them and were regularly wearing them. I was even using a UV light to sanitise them so they could be reused when there was a shortage for healthcare workers, which I presume was the actual reason for telling people not to wear them.

My partner's family wouldn't listen to us about the seriousness of it at the beginning and called us hysterical. It wasn't until the news told them to do anything that they would actually do it.

I'm fully 100% convinced the narrative is intentionally somewhat divisive. There needs to be people with low thresholds of risk, to do jobs that need to be done. There also needs to be people to shout down those who are risk adverse and tell them they're cowardly so that people aren't totally immobilised and non-compliant. Governments need willing workforces.

The problem for me is that worthwhile society is effectively over if your intention is to totally avoid this virus. What's the point in working day in day out to earn all the money that there's nothing to spend on... Well, no tangible experiences, like gigs, carefree nights out or holidays. Except keep going to the bars and restaurants because they're safe and the exchequer needs it.

If instead of a virus this was radioctivity brought in by air travel and spread to others by contact with them, Ireland would do everything we could not to get irradiated. I know the Foot and Mouth argument has been done to death but it really shows the difference in approach when it comes to agriculture versus human capital. The narrative is that the effects of being away from education settings is worse than covid, but we just don't know that for a fact and we're just about to undertake an experiment which is going fairly badly in many other places. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I find it fairly convenient that the figures were so low on the very day before schools reopen.

They'll try and fail at their ill-advised foray into schools, it might take a month but our education settings are the most overcrowded in Europe. When this virus starts spreading out of control in, so will be our hospitals. People now seem content to be used as pawns in a game where they have no agency to live freely and their fate is completely out of their hands.