Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 07:52PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

You very well know i was referring to conditions brought on by lifestyle choices.

You mentiones diabetes. Type 1 diabetics have an auto immune disease and nothing to do with lifestyle . The majority of Type 1 is diagnosed in childhood or early teens

lukas8888 · 30-08-2020 07:53PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

:eek:

You forgot to mention their genes

Again, only referring to lifestyle choices.

30-08-2020 07:54PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

But it has to be also recognised that many at risk people who are lecturing the youth on their behaviour might also look to themselves for their own predicament.How many find themselves with serious health issues through years of smoking,heavy drinking,bad diet etc, leading to obesity ,asthma diabetes,heart disease.

And how many are born with serious conditions? Even if they are developed later, do you believe this justifies the increased risk to their health now due to non-compliance by others?

If you do, then all I can say to you is I hope you stay young and in good health forever.

lukas8888 · 30-08-2020 07:54PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You mentiones diabetes. Type 1 diabetics have an auto immune disease and nothing to do with lifestyle . The majority of Type 1 is diagnosed in childhood or early teens

What about the much more common type 2 ?

AlmightyCushion · 30-08-2020 07:55PM

amandstu wrote: »

What are the theories explaining the apparent relative (compared to cases) fewer hospitalizations these past few weeks?

Is this being mirrored internationally?

Is it just that more younger people are catching this ,so that it is just a matter of time before hospitalizations go up again as the older population gets sick ?

Is there any evidence that the disease is changing?

I think it's a combination of younger people getting and better testing so we are getting a higher percentage of the cases out there. 100 new cases today isn't the same as 100 new cases back in March or April as back then we were likely missing a lot of cases.

odyssey06 · 30-08-2020 07:55PM

amandstu wrote: »

What are the theories explaining the apparent relative (compared to cases) fewer hospitalizations these past few weeks?
Is this being mirrored internationally?
Is it just that more younger people are catching this ,so that it is just a matter of time before hospitalizations go up again as the older population gets sick ?
Is there any evidence that the disease is changing?

The latest I read in New Scientist was that they think one of the latest strains is more contagious, but no indications it is less severe.
So it appears it is down to the demographic infected.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vitamin D levels being up mean immune systems are better prepared, but that is just a hunch.

lukas8888 · 30-08-2020 07:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And how many are born with serious conditions? Even if they are developed later, do you believe this justifies the increased risk to their health now due to non-compliance by others?

If you do, then all I can say to you is I hope you stay young and in good health forever.

Selective interpretation of my post, once again i am only referring to lifestyle choices.

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 07:56PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

What about the much more common type 2 ?

You simply wrote “ diabetes “ . I was informing of the difference

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 07:57PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The latest I read in New Scientist was that they think one of the latest strains is more contagious, but no indications it is less severe.
So it appears it is down to the demographic infected.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vitamin D levels being up mean immune systems are better prepared, but that is just a hunch.

We have been taking Vit D Supplements since February

Jim_Hodge · 30-08-2020 07:58PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

What about the much more common type 2 ?

What about the much more high risk Type 1?

What about genetic heart disease, kidney failure, CF etc.?

Your blaming the victims is a low punch.

30-08-2020 07:58PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Selective interpretation of my post, once again i am only referring to lifestyle choices.

Now who is being selective.

JP Liz V1 · 30-08-2020 07:59PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

You very well know i was referring to conditions brought on by lifestyle choices.

You mentioned asthma

smurfjed · 30-08-2020 07:59PM

There appears to be a mutation that is less severe.

A more infectious mutation of the new coronavirus has been found in Indonesia, the Jakarta-based Eijkman Institute for Molecular Biology said on Sunday, as the Southeast Asian country's caseload surges.
Indonesia reported 2,858 new infections on Sunday, data by the health ministry showed, below the previous day's record 3,308 but above the past month's daily average. Its total number of cases was 172,053, with 7,343 COVID-19 fatalities.

The "infectious but milder" D614G mutation of the virus has been found in genome sequencing data from samples collected by the institute, deputy director Herawati Sudoyo told Reuters, adding that more study is required to determine whether that was behind the recent rise in cases.

The strain, which the World Health Organization said was identified in February and has been circulating in Europe and the Americas, has also been found in neighbouring Singapore and Malaysia.

Funsterdelux · 30-08-2020 08:02PM

Jumping on a telephone box(housing the town centre defibrillator should be a crime in itself) and the general behaviour in Killarney last night would have being frowned upon at the best of times.

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 08:02PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

What about the much more high risk Type 1?

What about genetic heart disease, kidney failure, CF etc.?

Your blaming the victims is a low punch.

Organ transplants , chronic lung disease from being born prematurely , congenital heart disease etc

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 08:03PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Jumping on a telephone box and the general behaviour in Killarney last night would have being frowned upon at the best of times.

The phone box stated clearly it housed a de fib machine too

Scoondal · 30-08-2020 08:11PM

No deaths since my last post on this thread 7 days ago.
Compared to last April, that is very good.

hmmm · 30-08-2020 08:11PM

smurfjed wrote: »

There appears to be a mutation that is less severe.

D614G is the European strain which now causes the majority of infections.

I haven't heard anyone say it was "milder" unfortunately. It had a mutation which made it more infectious however. In general I believe viruses usually mutate to becoming more infectious & less lethal most of the time, but that's not guaranteed.

Funsterdelux · 30-08-2020 08:12PM

Scoondal wrote: »

No deaths since my last post on this thread 7 days ago.
Compared to last April, that is very good.

Hopefully you havent jinxed it

JP Liz V1 · 30-08-2020 08:18PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Jumping on a telephone box(housing the town centre defibrillator should be a crime in itself) and the general behaviour in Killarney last night would have being frowned upon at the best of times.

I think anti social drunken drugged stupid behaviour has increased since Covid19

Have any Healy Raes commented yet?

lee_baby_simms · 30-08-2020 08:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Have any Healy Raes commented yet?

They’re not stupid, a huge amount of their voter base would be in the “at risk” age group. They’ll hold their powder dry for the moment and when needed they’ll see which way the wind is blowing and blow the tune that will ring best with their voting public. Same as they’ve always done.

30-08-2020 08:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not that old. I'm 50.

I live with my 23 year old daughter who feels exactly the same way I do, so no, not every younger person is as feckless as you describe. Some do recognise the gravity of the situation we're living in.

I also know other younger people who are living with high risk parents / grandparents and manage to contain themselves - and even socialise responsibly because they care about the people they live with / come into contact with.

Its a choice. You either care, or you don't. Sadly, given the scenes we're seeing now in the likes of Killarney and Dublin, it appears more don't.

And I will be angry about it.

I am sorry for your loss Loueze and empathise with your circumstances. It is an anxiety inducing time so it must be doubly difficult when you have underlying conditions.

Tell me, what do you think would need to happen for you to feel ok with having a browse around the shops?

Of course you are going to feel anger given your own personal situation and I've no doubt there are those who don't care. Some of us though, we may behave in ways you view as uncaring but in actual fact we are terrified and trying to cope and live with Covid.

Ficheall · 30-08-2020 08:34PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I think it's a combination of younger people getting and better testing so we are getting a higher percentage of the cases out there. 100 new cases today isn't the same as 100 new cases back in March or April as back then we were likely missing a lot of cases.

More testing, perhaps - do we know the tests are better? A friend of mine was a potential contact (but fell outside the 48 hour window) of a household where 2 of the 6 tested returned positives, but 3 of the other 4 had symptoms, so.. I dunno.

(Yes, I know it's anecdotal hearsay. If you wish to not believe me/her, knock yourself out.)

Ficheall · 30-08-2020 08:36PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think anti social drunken drugged stupid behaviour has increased since Covid19

I'd say it's more likely that instead of drunken drugged stupid behaviour increasing, it's just that the bar for it being antisocial has lowered.

giveitholly · 30-08-2020 08:36PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

They’re not stupid, a huge amount of their voter base would be in the “at risk” age group. They’ll hold their powder dry for the moment and when needed they’ll see which way the wind is blowing and blow the tune that will ring best with their voting public. Same as they’ve always done.

And every other politician in the land

lee_baby_simms · 30-08-2020 08:36PM

giveitholly wrote: »

And every other politician in the land

100%

SeaBreezes · 30-08-2020 08:37PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Selective interpretation of my post, once again i am only referring to lifestyle choices.

Like genetics?
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/human-genes-play-role-in-covid-19-infections,-symptoms-and-disease-progression-according-to-international-study

A strong immune system? (Cytokine storm)
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/neurologists-in-a-collaborative-study-identify-stages-of-brain-damage-caused-by-covid-19-and-warns-of-future-issues-in-recovered-patients

Having a beating heart..
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-warnings-more-case-reports-emerging-of-covid-19-patients-who-had-mild-symptoms-or-were-asymptomatic-exhibiting-heart-issues

Hereditary diabetes?
Cancer?
High Blood pressure?
Being over 65?

30-08-2020 08:41PM

hmmm wrote: »

D614G is the European strain which now causes the majority of infections.

I haven't heard anyone say it was "milder" unfortunately. It had a mutation which made it more infectious however. In general I believe viruses usually mutate to becoming more infectious & less lethal most of the time, but that's not guaranteed.

The news coming out of Indonesia is that it is less severe but substantially more infectious

lukas8888 · 30-08-2020 08:45PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

What about the much more high risk Type 1?

What about genetic heart disease, kidney failure, CF etc.?

Your blaming the victims is a low punch.

How many times have i to repeat only referring to lifestyle choices, talking about type 2 diabetes, obesity, heart failure, to name a few that are caused by individuals lifestyle not by genes or any other reason other than bad life choices.

iamwhoiam · 30-08-2020 08:49PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

How many times have i to repeat only referring to lifestyle choices, talking about type 2 diabetes, obesity, heart failure, to name a few that are caused by individuals lifestyle not by genes or any other reason other than bad life choices.

You are still victim blaming

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