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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #3272
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Ah behave yourself please. There's been some false accusations of scare mongering from the outset, but that there is literally the textbook definition.

    I agree it's scary news alright. But it shouldn't be dismissed because you don't like it.


  • #3273
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I agree it's scary news alright. But it shouldn't be dismissed because you don't like it.

    No it should not but there's no way there could be enough evidence there in diagnosed mild cases, never mind the majority of those which have not been diagnosed.


  • #3274
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Ah behave yourself please. There's been some false accusations of scare mongering from the outset, but that there is literally the textbook definition.

    ...and whatever you do don’t let yer U bend dry up or you’ll be doomed!


  • #3275
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How’s that attachment relevant to flying? That’s what we were just talking about. Or are you just throwing in the worst piece of news you can find on the internet as a response to an unrelated point?

    Please feel free to post the most positive optimistic story you find and I’ll gladly critique it.

    That side of the argument doesn’t really tend to post articles or academic papers..... because there are none.
    Much better to label the person alarmist or hysterical without an actual argument. We are 6 months in and the pattern is as obvious as it is repetitive.


  • #3276
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So yes, things will be stopped.

    Should that include misery merchants and scaremongering too?


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  • #3277
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed. Yesterday illustrated it for me.
    I never liked town or shopping at the best of times but had to go to get some things yesterday in a biggish town. Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops. Now I have been using a face covering since March as it seems logical in the face of a novel and poorly understood airborne contagion but it is undeniably dystopian to see almost everyone in masks. Tragic almost. Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.

    To be honest, given the mixed messaging at the start about masks being ineffective as people will be using them incorrectly, or touching them and then touching surfaces, or the criticism of people using them as a “chip strap” (even when outdoors), I find it just easier now to just leave the mask on until I get home. It not worth the paranoia of thinking people are seeing me take it off or push it under my chin to get some air, and then spreading the virus all over the place. I also carry hand sanitizer, so I wouldn’t be doing that anyway, but the mask zealots can be completely OTT.


  • #3278
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    ...and whatever you do don’t let yer U bend dry up or you’ll be doomed!

    Rats are a bigger worry - they come up through toilets with dry U bends.


  • #3279
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Should that include misery merchants and scaremongering too?

    It should include people who thinks this is nothing.


  • #3280
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It should include people who thinks this is nothing.

    Not really an answer to my question. I don’t think “ this is nothing” but i will call out misery merchants and scaremongers,


  • #3281
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed...Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops... Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.

    I thought so too until I realised I was doing it myself because I was going from one shopping area to another and it was safer to leave the mask on than taking it off and putting it on again. So after the supermarket I leave the mask on while I walk downtown to the butchers etc.


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  • #3282
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Not really an answer to my question. I don’t think “ this is nothing” but i will call out misery merchants and scaremongers,

    Just because you don't like what's happening with this virus, doesn't make it scare-mongering. I know the truth always hurts.


  • #3283
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Just because you don't like what's happening with this virus, doesn't make it scare-mongering. I know the truth always hurts.

    Is it the truth or the unknown because in the reply to my post you said it was the unknown.


  • #3284
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Just because you don't like what's happening with this virus, doesn't make it scare-mongering. I know the truth always hurts.

    Actually there is plenty of scaremongering going on, I suspect however when economic realities intrude alot of it will stop. The €350 a week at the moment is enabling many to hide under the covers and preach doom. The largesse will be coming to end quite soon.


  • #3285
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Just because you don't like what's happening with this virus, .

    Why, should we be liking what is happening with the virus? I certainly don’t. Alarming statement there.


  • #3286
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Actually there is plenty of scaremongering going on, I suspect however when economic realities intrude alot of it will stop. The €350 a week at the moment is enabling many to hide under the covers and preach doom. The largesse will be coming to end quite soon.

    350 quid per week won't even cover most people's rent


  • #3287
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Why, should we be liking what is happening with the virus? I certainly don’t. Alarming statement there.

    Nobody likes what's happening with the virus. But bad sh!t happening is not scare-mongering. It's the truth.


  • #3288
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Actually there is plenty of scaremongering going on, I suspect however when economic realities intrude alot of it will stop. The €350 a week at the moment is enabling many to hide under the covers and preach doom. The largesse will be coming to end quite soon.

    So you think people giving scary news here are receiving 350 a week? How can you say that about people/posters you don't know?


  • #3289
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Nobody likes what's happening with the virus. But bad sh!t happening is not scare-mongering. It's the truth.

    Thankfully by next year a successful vaccine will be out ( i’m quite confident from what i know). That should squash a lot of bugs on this thread ;-)


  • #3290
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Thankfully by next year a successful vaccine will be out ( i’m quite confident from what i know). That should squash a lot of bugs on this thread ;-)

    And we need to slow things down until then, not get back to normal.


  • #3291
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    And we need to slow things down until then, not get back to normal.

    With current stats at the moment a balance has to be made and not one of your lockdowns.


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  • #3292
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So you think people giving scary news here are receiving 350 a week? How can you say that about people/posters you don't know?

    There's only a few here posting the most obsure and obsurd scaremongering I have seen anywhere.
    There is also such a thing as post history. ;-)


  • #3293
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    With current stats at the moment a balance has to be made not one of your lockdowns.

    Can you tell me where I said I want a lockdown, where I want the country to shut down?


  • #3294
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Please feel free to post the most positive optimistic story you find and I’ll gladly critique it.

    That side of the argument doesn’t really tend to post articles or academic papers..... because there are none.
    Much better to label the person alarmist or hysterical without an actual argument. We are 6 months in and the pattern is as obvious as it is repetitive.

    Those papers are not forthcoming as I suspected. Lots of talk of doom mongering mind you. Wouldn’t classify any of it as evidence. The “it’ll be grand brigade” has morphed into “Nothing we can do about it” brigade.


  • #3295
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There's only a few here posting the most obsure and obsurd scaremongering I have seen anywhere.
    There is also such a thing as post history. ;-)

    You're making out everyone that says anything bad is receiving 350 a week. You have an awful lot of time to be searching through the "doom mongers" posts.


  • #3296
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    350 quid per week won't even cover most people's rent

    More than one person in a household can get it if they are not working, husband and wife for example that’s 700 for a start. I personally have had one man boasting to me about it saying “ this is great, i’m making just as much or more since i closed the shop during lockdown”

    Like another poster said when it dries up so will this thread.


  • #3297
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There's only a few here posting the most obsure and obsurd scaremongering I have seen anywhere.
    There is also such a thing as post history. ;-)

    So you think the "scaremongering" is due to people trying to cling on to their 350 a week?

    You know it equates to roughly 50% of the average wage in Ireland? It's bugger all


  • #3298
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    More than one person in a household can get it if they are not working, husband and wife for example that’s 700 for a start. I personally have had one man boasting to me about it saying “ this is great, i’m making just as much or more since i closed the shop during lockdown”

    Like another poster said when it dries up so will this thread.

    A shop owner that earns less than 350 a week?

    What the **** was he selling?


  • #3299
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    A shop owner that earns less than 350 a week?

    What the **** was he selling?

    It’s only a small shop selling cheap tack. Combined with his wifes 350 bringing the tally up to 700 and their mortgaged paid it’s a nice little proposition isn’t it. He seemed happy about it anyway.


  • #3300
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Except there's no moving on. There's no normal anymore. The more cases there are, the more contacts, tracing and isolating. With isolating people, will come closures. You can't have an open business with infectious staff. So yes, things will be stopped.
    So what is your solution, as it appears that your approach is to resign from your job and wait at home until all of this is over? If more people were to follow that approach, what do you think is going to happen to our economy and food supplies?


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  • #3301
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I value having a good memory, you should too.
    Not sure as to relevance of this.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    only know one person intimately
    Surprising enough there aren't fewer tbh.
    Ficheall wrote: »
    Those of you who have tested positive, how did the informing contacts go?
    A friend said the HSE person said only people within 2m for 15 mins within the previous 48 hours (prior to the test) needed to be contacted? I don't have faith in the 2m for 15 mins thing, but I understand they need to draw a line somewhere, but 48 hours seems a very short window? Has that been you guys' experience?
    These issues are going to be where we end up absolutely f'd. It's just like when you needed to have travelled to one of the affected countries to get a test, several months in. They really do not need to be denying people tests, especially now that large congregations of people are supposedly going to be in close proximity virtually every single weekday from now until end of October.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/COVID-19%20Management%20of%20cases%20and%20contacts%20in%20the%20school%20setting.pdf

    If you're in school, with the same 30 people all day, you're not even regarded as a close contact if you're in same class as someone who is a confirmed case. You have no right to know that someone in your child's class is infected. In this situation, you won't have the option for a test.

    It is advised that you go about your business as normal and don't change your routine. Clearly that situation will come to its own logical conclusion. It's just a pathetic indicator of how bad our testing capacity will be that they know they can't cope so they're intentionally depriving closed groups with large numbers of contacts of tests.

    It seems like they've changed their mind now that people are getting "mild illness" and decided they want everyone infected, in spite of growing evidence of long-term health ramifications. This reeks of kicking the can down the road, (health issues/expenses for a future HPSC/government to deal with) but it's just bafflingly short-sighted.

    And let's not forget that it's all to make the government look good, because they opened the schools. A significant ballsup has clearly already been made, everyone knows what is needed (space, capacity, more teachers, better testing capacity, narrow parameters for testing, ongoing serial tests). It's actually not too late for them to put the brakes on schools, that's why Jack Lambert, Gerry Killeen and Cillian deGascun are saying that we need to slow things down.

    First thing that should be done is a national database for online learning that will fill in when al the teachers start dropping and classes are having to stay at home. Next, staggering the class groups so schools aren't packed with thousands at any given time. This exercise in futility is not going to last unless people are willing to turn a seriously blind eye to some dystopian sh!t for the sake of afternoon babysitting.


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