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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #3242
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Because community transmission is increasing.
    More people contracting the virus will inevitably lead to more hospitalizations and deaths.

    It's a numbers game

    When can we expect the numbers to increase, 2 weeks, 4 weeks 2 months.


  • #3243
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    When can we expect the numbers to increase, 2 weeks, 4 weeks 2 months.

    Which numbers?


  • #3244
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    niallo27 wrote: »
    When can we expect the numbers to increase, 2 weeks, 4 weeks 2 months.

    Which numbers ?


  • #3245
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Which numbers?

    Deaths and hospital numbers, as in real increases


  • #3246
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    The Medical profession get things wrong a lot more than they would care to admit.

    They need to admit they are wrong soon or else the hysteria will create much worse issues.

    It is a joke at this stage that the likes of Kildare are in lockdown and they are imposing such draconian measures on the citizens of this state.


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  • #3247
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The Medical profession get things wrong a lot more than they would care to admit.

    They need to admit they are wrong soon or else the hysteria will create much worse issues.

    It is a joke at this stage that the likes of Kildare are in lockdown and they are imposing such draconian measures on the citizens of this state.

    It was always said of the medical profession, they don't make mistakes, they bury them.


  • #3248
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Because community transmission is increasing.
    More people contracting the virus will inevitably lead to more hospitalizations and deaths.

    It's a numbers game

    This is it in a nutshell. It is just a numbers game. More cases lead to more transmission lead to more admissions lead to more ICU lead to more deaths. Right now, the cases are in a cohort that are not as vunerable. It won't stay like that.


  • #3249
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Azatadine wrote: »
    What channel is he on? That Gerry Killeen should be taken off air too.

    I’ve never been a big fan of censorship but I see your point. I’d really like it if everyone I disagree with was taken off air.


  • #3250
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I’ve never been a big fan of censorship but I see your point. I’d really like it if everyone I disagree with was taken off air.
    He is headlining on FM104, threatening another lockdown if the little people don't behave themselves.


  • #3251
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I’ve never been a big fan of censorship but I see your point. I’d really like it if everyone I disagree with was taken off air.

    The most important thing right now is to get kids back to school. And yet he is given the space today to tell people that schools should be staying shut and that it’s reckless to open them. He should not be given the unopposed column inches and airtime to try to scare the population into keeping their kids home.


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  • #3252
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Those of you who have tested positive, how did the informing contacts go?
    A friend said the HSE person said only people within 2m for 15 mins within the previous 48 hours (prior to the test) needed to be contacted? I don't have faith in the 2m for 15 mins thing, but I understand they need to draw a line somewhere, but 48 hours seems a very short window? Has that been you guys' experience?


  • #3253
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    KaneToad wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. It is just a numbers game. More cases lead to more transmission lead to more admissions lead to more ICU lead to more deaths. Right now, the cases are in a cohort that are not as vunerable. It won't stay like that.

    ICU numbers have not been rising even though we have had 1000s of cases which is terrific news.


  • #3254
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    KaneToad wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. It is just a numbers game. More cases lead to more transmission lead to more admissions lead to more ICU lead to more deaths. Right now, the cases are in a cohort that are not as vunerable. It won't stay like that.

    It will if the vulnerable continue to protect themselves as they clearly are now. The UK has had a high level of infections for a couple of months now, in absolute terms, and no meaningful rise in hospitalisations and deaths. It’s good news


  • #3255
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Airplanes still aren't safe though. They might be good with airchanges and all that. But if someone sat beside who was infected, well then you're fcuked because their germs has more of a chance of infecting you before the air changes.

    Have you considered how many flights have flown in the last 6 months with how many passengers, yes there are reports about people getting infected on aircraft, but the numbers are minuscule compared to the number flying. But if it worries you then I would suggest that you don’t fly.


  • #3256
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Have you considered how many flights have flown in the last 6 months with how many passengers, yes there are reports about people getting infected on aircraft, but the numbers are minuscule compared to the number flying. But if it worries you then I would suggest that you don’t fly.

    If it doesn’t worry you then I suggest reading more.


  • #3257
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed. Yesterday illustrated it for me.
    I never liked town or shopping at the best of times but had to go to get some things yesterday in a biggish town. Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops. Now I have been using a face covering since March as it seems logical in the face of a novel and poorly understood airborne contagion but it is undeniably dystopian to see almost everyone in masks. Tragic almost. Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.
    Then to compensate for the trauma of town I took a trip to the wild Atlantic in search of a long beach to walk on and in the lovely spot I parked up there were rental beach houses near the car park. There were picnic tables out front in one house and it was obvious there was a large group of young people that had rented a house for the weekend there. Surf boards. Wetsuits. All of them out having lunch and a few beers over looking the sea. There was at least 15 of them. Maybe more. Seriously having good fun in a beautiful place. Obviously all staying there or at the very least completely on top of each other for this lunch assembly. So this is inconsistent with the supposed Covid response required elsewhere. Natural. Normal. But inconsistent.

    If one is going between multiple shops, it would be best not touch the mask until finished shopping/transport.


  • #3258
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,388 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Focus now moves from Golf Gate to Killarney.


  • #3259
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    If it doesn’t worry you then I suggest reading more.

    I’ve read plenty and it doesn’t worry me


  • #3260
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’ve read plenty and it doesn’t worry me

    Ok that’s weird because the evidence is mounting and it’s not good. Reading Fox News is not the same as reading an academic journal.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299870323840557062?s=21


  • #3261
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Have you considered how many flights have flown in the last 6 months with how many passengers, yes there are reports about people getting infected on aircraft, but the numbers are minuscule compared to the number flying. But if it worries you then I would suggest that you don’t fly.

    Yes it worries me and I won't be flying. Not taking any chances here.


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  • #3262
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ok that’s weird because the evidence is mounting and it’s not good. Reading Fox News is not the same as reading an academic journal.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299870323840557062?s=21

    So the majority of the 25 million have permanent cardiac damage, so that's like 20 million people who have got it have permanent cardiac damage.


  • #3263
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So the majority of the 25 million have permanent cardiac damage, so that's like 20 million people who have got it have permanent cardiac damage.

    Have you seen the 25 million hearts? You cannot speak to whether it’s the case or not.

    It’s the unknown unknowns.
    Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.[1]


  • #3264
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ok that’s weird because the evidence is mounting and it’s not good. Reading Fox News is not the same as reading an academic journal.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299870323840557062?s=21

    Ah behave yourself please. There's been some false accusations of scare mongering from the outset, but that there is literally the textbook definition.


  • #3265
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed. Yesterday illustrated it for me.
    I never liked town or shopping at the best of times but had to go to get some things yesterday in a biggish town. Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops. Now I have been using a face covering since March as it seems logical in the face of a novel and poorly understood airborne contagion but it is undeniably dystopian to see almost everyone in masks. Tragic almost. Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.
    Then to compensate for the trauma of town I took a trip to the wild Atlantic in search of a long beach to walk on and in the lovely spot I parked up there were rental beach houses near the car park. There were picnic tables out front in one house and it was obvious there was a large group of young people that had rented a house for the weekend there. Surf boards. Wetsuits. All of them out having lunch and a few beers over looking the sea. There was at least 15 of them. Maybe more. Seriously having good fun in a beautiful place. Obviously all staying there or at the very least completely on top of each other for this lunch assembly. So this is inconsistent with the supposed Covid response required elsewhere. Natural. Normal. But inconsistent.

    Tbh I barely even notice when Im wearing a mask anymore I've gotten so used to it. Love the anonymity of walking around town with sunglasses and mask on like the invisible man, don't have to stop to chat to acquaintances I bump into if they don't recognise me :cool:

    And come winter time I think they will be really cosy and warming on those windy evenings walking back from work.


  • #3266
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    now the factories are using private testing centres so their positive tests are been hidden into the daily numbers and aren't been reported by the media.

    Is this a fact or a theory?


  • #3267
    TOMs WIFE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭TOMs WIFE


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ok that’s weird because the evidence is mounting and it’s not good. Reading Fox News is not the same as reading an academic journal.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299870323840557062?s=21

    Well, what can be done about it really. World needs to move on, we can't stop everything because of things that might happen to some people who catch covid. Economies won't sustain much more of this.
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Yes it worries me and I won't be flying. Not taking any chances here.

    Surprise statement of the day.


  • #3268
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So the majority of the 25 million have permanent cardiac damage, so that's like 20 million people who have got it have permanent cardiac damage.

    Yes, well, my instinctive response would be something like yours - show me the proof etc. We would know about it if so many, even mild cases, had been affected in such a way.

    Then I also look up yer man Yaneer Bar Ram and see he is a physicist who has been studying pandemics since the early 2000s. Like really studying them. Advising on Ebola etc. And he seems concerned.

    So I am not going to ignore and dismiss a well qualified person consistently expressing concern based on scientific research he follows - because that would be a bit silly of me.

    At least to say one is agnostic on these matters - in its fundamental meaning of being "without knowledge" - would be the most rational and honest.


  • #3269
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    If it doesn’t worry you then I suggest reading more.

    Done close to 100 flights since March so I guess that I can truthfully say it doesn’t worry me too much.

    Right now that 3000 aircraft in the skies around Europe.

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  • #3270
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    TOMs WIFE wrote: »
    Well, what can be done about it really. World needs to move on, we can't stop everything because of things that might happen to some people who catch covid. Economies won't sustain much more of this.



    Surprise statement of the day.

    Except there's no moving on. There's no normal anymore. The more cases there are, the more contacts, tracing and isolating. With isolating people, will come closures. You can't have an open business with infectious staff. So yes, things will be stopped.


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  • #3271
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ok that’s weird because the evidence is mounting and it’s not good. Reading Fox News is not the same as reading an academic journal.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299870323840557062?s=21

    How’s that attachment relevant to flying? That’s what we were just talking about. Or are you just throwing in the worst piece of news you can find on the internet as a response to an unrelated point?


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