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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #3212
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Interesting new study of non hospitalised COVID carriers, ocular issues appear to be very common with almost 3/4 experiencing at least one ocular issue..the most common being burning sensation in the eyes which over 1/3 reported.

    I found this pretty shocking because I posted a while ago about some reduced lung capacityI noticed after my sister arrived back from Lombardy with flu like illness in February,and that I wondered if I may have been an asymptomatic infection..my only symptoms apart were the breathlessness (which has since completely passed) and burning red eyes. I would imagine if I were to get an antibody test that I would no longer have antibodies though.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X20305012

    You weren't asymptomatic if you had breathlessness and eye issues.


  • #3213
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    robbiezero wrote: »
    I don't disagree and this where I think politicians needed to have their finger on the pulse of peoples mood and maybe sacrifice implementing some of the more petty restrictions in the hope of keeping people onside for the more important ones.

    #Golfgate has had quite a big impact obviously also, but I think the last set of restrictions did a lot of damage to peoples trust in the restrictions.

    Well, the primary politician in this is quite the fan of petty restrictions, putting manners on people and whopping fines. No surprise to read he's the one behind the proposed civil, he wanted it to be criminal, offence of 6 in a house.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/civil-liberties-group-concerned-at-how-covid-19-laws-being-drawn-up-1.4342090


  • #3214
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    harr wrote: »
    Why suddenly am I encountering so many people who are anti everthing even normal vaccines.. people who were never part of the tin foil hat group have suddenly started believing everything the local Karen posts on Facebook.. these are educated people and some work in health care.
    People are really starting to believe a lot of on line content that is coming from questionable sources.
    Even the more extreme conspiracy theories that most people would have laughed at 6 months are now filtering into everyday conversations.

    People become desperate and believe in anything in times of hardship etc like Psychic's and people who are grieving / vulnerable. I have some sympathy for people like this. Gemma Doherty and those type of people are not mentally in a good place. The no masks and anti vaccines and conspiracy type of stuff could get more popular as time goes on in this pandemic. Needs to be clearer messaging from people in power


  • #3215
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    harr wrote: »
    Why suddenly am I encountering so many people who are anti everthing even normal vaccines.. people who were never part of the tin foil hat group have suddenly started believing everything the local Karen posts on Facebook.. these are educated people and some work in health care.
    People are really starting to believe a lot of on line content that is coming from questionable sources.
    Even the more extreme conspiracy theories that most people would have laughed at 6 months are now filtering into everyday conversations.
    More and more conspiracists are frantically downplaying covid at every chance. Then they start dripping in the mask and 5G conspiracies and wahey a new conspiracist eejit is created.


  • #3216
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Less and less people are caring about these guidelines. Where I live, many small pubs are opening with food from the Chinese or chip shop. Pubs packed but closed at 11.30. People are fed up of it.

    Another point, Stephen Donnelly trying to allow the guards to freely enter your home and make an arrest/s if you've more than 6 people in it is truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so? I know it was rejected before someone states it. This fella is dangerous. Needs to be kept on a leash.


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  • #3217
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Less and less people are caring about these guidelines. Where I live, many small pubs are opening with food from the Chinese or chip shop. Pubs packed but closed at 11.30. People are fed up of it.

    Another point, Stephen Donnelly trying to allow the guards to freely enter your home and make an arrest/s if you've more than 6 people in it is truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so? I know it was rejected before someone states it. This fella is dangerous. Needs to be kept on a leash.

    Truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so?


  • #3218
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Less and less people are caring about these guidelines. Where I live, many small pubs are opening with food from the Chinese or chip shop. Pubs packed but closed at 11.30. People are fed up of it.

    Another point, Stephen Donnelly trying to allow the guards to freely enter your home and make an arrest/s if you've more than 6 people in it is truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so? I know it was rejected before someone states it. This fella is dangerous. Needs to be kept on a leash.

    All of these people are responsible for prolonging this misery for everyone else and should be legally punished.


  • #3219
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so?

    We should start by letting the Gardai investigate the factories first. We know there have been hundreds of positive cases and now the factories are using private testing centres so their positive tests are been hidden into the daily numbers and aren't been reported by the media. House gatherings although no data has been shown would contribute to a miniscule spread.


  • #3220
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    All of these people are responsible for prolonging this misery for everyone else and should be legally punished.

    You mean the people in the pubs/houses? Saying that they're prolonging it implies that they're stopping all of us from reaching a goal that the government have set out where we can return to absolute normality. What is that goal if so?

    We had cases numbers down as low are 3/4 and the pubs still didn't open. People see the gov cronies living up at golf events and think f**k this. Time to start living.


  • #3221
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Less and less people are caring about these guidelines. Where I live, many small pubs are opening with food from the Chinese or chip shop. Pubs packed but closed at 11.30. People are fed up of it.

    Another point, Stephen Donnelly trying to allow the guards to freely enter your home and make an arrest/s if you've more than 6 people in it is truly shocking. Where do we draw the line if so? I know it was rejected before someone states it. This fella is dangerous. Needs to be kept on a leash.

    As long as those same people packing those pubs have no problem with a second lockdown in a few weeks then all good.


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  • #3222
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    You mean the people in the pubs/houses? Saying that they're prolonging it implies that they're stopping all of us from reaching a goal that the government have set out where we can return to absolute normality. What is that goal if so?

    We had cases numbers down as low are 3/4 and the pubs still didn't open. People see the gov cronies living up at golf events and think f**k this. Time to start living.

    And they choose to live without wet pubs then. They made the choice this is the consequence.


  • #3223
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    You mean the people in the pubs/houses? Saying that they're prolonging it implies that they're stopping all of us from reaching a goal that the government have set out where we can return to absolute normality. What is that goal if so?

    We had cases numbers down as low are 3/4 and the pubs still didn't open. People see the gov cronies living up at golf events and think f**k this. Time to start living.

    F the pubs. Cases are rising, winter flu virus is coming, everyone with a cold will need to be tested. People they work with will need to isolate in case it is the virus. Children with a head cold or flu will need to stay home to be tested as will their family from work. Contact tracing capacity be pushed to its limit. The health sector wont cope with both. F the pubs.

    Watch and see.


  • #3224
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    F the pubs.

    You never answered my question. How are they prolonging this?


  • #3225
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    You never answered my question. How are they prolonging this?

    Community transmission is increasing.


  • #3226
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Community transmission is increasing.

    Grand. So if people don't go to pubs or congregate in houses then life will turn back to normal? These people are prolonging it apparently, could you explain to me what the goal is?


  • #3227
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pjohnson wrote: »
    More and more conspiracists are frantically downplaying covid at every chance. Then they start dripping in the mask and 5G conspiracies and wahey a new conspiracist eejit is created.
    They do provide quick and easy answers, something that the official line is not doing very well at all at present. Paradoxically, the more successful we are in managing this but without returning to a level of normality, the more it feeds those fringes.

    In society we are probably now at a point where we start to lose a few people and the message or platitudes have almost lost their effect. We need to see something about this medium term plan, even a leaked snippet to show we're not just running a "this two weeks is crucial" loop as the only policy we'll have for the next 3-12 months.


  • #3228
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed. Yesterday illustrated it for me.
    I never liked town or shopping at the best of times but had to go to get some things yesterday in a biggish town. Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops. Now I have been using a face covering since March as it seems logical in the face of a novel and poorly understood airborne contagion but it is undeniably dystopian to see almost everyone in masks. Tragic almost. Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.
    Then to compensate for the trauma of town I took a trip to the wild Atlantic in search of a long beach to walk on and in the lovely spot I parked up there were rental beach houses near the car park. There were picnic tables out front in one house and it was obvious there was a large group of young people that had rented a house for the weekend there. Surf boards. Wetsuits. All of them out having lunch and a few beers over looking the sea. There was at least 15 of them. Maybe more. Seriously having good fun in a beautiful place. Obviously all staying there or at the very least completely on top of each other for this lunch assembly. So this is inconsistent with the supposed Covid response required elsewhere. Natural. Normal. But inconsistent.


  • #3229
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    The end point is something that is not discussed. The truth that is dawning on many people is that maybe there is no end point. The virus is so widespread in the world that it may never be possible to eliminate it.
    The prospect that is being held out as a solution is that when an effective and safe vaccine is found, all life can return to ‘normal’. This is, at best, a hope rather than a realistic prospect.
    In time we will come to regard Covid as something we have to live with, just like seasonal flu. In the meantime we are foolishly thrashing our entire social fabric and economy in a futile attempt to ‘defeat’ this virus. More people will die from our feeble attempts to eliminate the virus than will die from the virus itself.
    It’s just a question of how much damage we are prepared to tolerate before we acknowledge the stupidity of what we are doing.

    I remember similar arguments around HIV / AIDS. It took many years to understand that you don’t want this.


  • #3230
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Grand. So if people don't go to pubs or congregate in houses then life will turn back to normal? These people are prolonging it apparently, could you explain to me what the goal is?

    Yes in the middle of a pandemic it's best for people not to congregate together. That's how a virus with no vaccine spreads. Hopefully a vaccine will be developed at some stage next year. There has never been such a push to create a vaccine. Johnson and Johnson have even said that they wont sell for profit if they manage to create one.

    If people could just pull easy with the congregation and try keep transmission low the rest of us can keep going to work, children can get an education and develop which I'm sure you will agree is absolutely vital for the future of the country.

    The goal is to keep cases as low as possible in the hope a vaccine is found. The country cannot manage another lockdown. People who need hospital treatment for other conditions cannot keep waiting. Every sector of the economy and every part of society is affected.

    So again f the pubs and the house party

    You know how every winter with the flu outbreak the hse starts to creak under pressure and people are asked not to turn up at hospital a b or c. Remember the videos we see of people on trolleys for days in a and e. Now throw a pandemic on top of that and nobody knows who just has flu and who has coronavirus. Potential mayhem.


  • #3231
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    pjohnson wrote: »
    More and more conspiracists are frantically downplaying covid at every chance. Then they start dripping in the mask and 5G conspiracies and wahey a new conspiracist eejit is created.

    And they keep announcing 0 deaths almost every day. Fecking conspiracy heads downplaying this lethal virus.


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  • #3232
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    There are some weird and inconsistent features in Covid response that I have noticed. Yesterday illustrated it for me.
    I never liked town or shopping at the best of times but had to go to get some things yesterday in a biggish town. Almost 99% mask compliance in shopping centres and shops. Now I have been using a face covering since March as it seems logical in the face of a novel and poorly understood airborne contagion but it is undeniably dystopian to see almost everyone in masks. Tragic almost. Then to see people outside shops and shopping centres still wear them on relatively empty and airy streets seems overkill. I do not think masks are necessary in open environments. And yet loads were wearing them in the open areas.
    Then to compensate for the trauma of town I took a trip to the wild Atlantic in search of a long beach to walk on and in the lovely spot I parked up there were rental beach houses near the car park. There were picnic tables out front in one house and it was obvious there was a large group of young people that had rented a house for the weekend there. Surf boards. Wetsuits. All of them out having lunch and a few beers over looking the sea. There was at least 15 of them. Maybe more. Seriously having good fun in a beautiful place. Obviously all staying there or at the very least completely on top of each other for this lunch assembly. So this is inconsistent with the supposed Covid response required elsewhere. Natural. Normal. But inconsistent.

    I wear mine on certain streets where the smell is so bad with urine etc as well as the druggies and the beggars. Find it a useful enough tool to make that experience more pleasant.


  • #3233
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    And they keep announcing 0 deaths almost every day. Fecking conspiracy heads downplaying this lethal virus.
    There is a squabble over the IFR, mostly because people are using it to prove a point. As we saw in Italy and NY, it's not the deaths but the sheer volume of people that hospitals can be hit with.


  • #3234
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    You mean the people in the pubs/houses? Saying that they're prolonging it implies that they're stopping all of us from reaching a goal that the government have set out where we can return to absolute normality. What is that goal if so?

    We had cases numbers down as low are 3/4 and the pubs still didn't open. People see the gov cronies living up at golf events and think f**k this. Time to start living.

    The thing I wonder about that golf event apart from the "hoopla about the ignoring of restrictions" is how come none of the attendees had any fear of actually catching the thing.
    It wasn't exactly a set of athletes in their prime attending this.


  • #3235
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Can Dr Jack Lambert please leave our airwaves


  • #3236
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Where is the headline about no COVID deaths in last week?

    Why is the headline about another lockdown ?


  • #3237
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Where is the headline about no COVID deaths in last week?

    Why is the headline about another lockdown ?

    Because community transmission is increasing.
    More people contracting the virus will inevitably lead to more hospitalizations and deaths.

    It's a numbers game


  • #3238
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Can Dr Jack Lambert please leave our airwaves

    What channel is he on? That Gerry Killeen should be taken off air too.


  • #3239
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Where is the headline about no COVID deaths in last week?

    Why is the headline about another lockdown ?
    Lockdowns do and will affect the living. While we should mark deaths there's not a whole lot we can do about them.


  • #3240
    Irish_peppa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    How many people at the top of the Health department actually make the decisions to advise the government re lockdowns etc. Is it solely the chief medical officer advice they work with? Is there a large team of consultants, proffessors and virologists behind the scenes we don't see an "expert panel" so to say? I would like to think we have the best of the best working on this problem not just people who happened to be in the job when this pandemic began:eek:


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  • #3241
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    How many people at the top of the Health department actually make the decisions to advise the government re lockdowns etc. Is it solely the chief medical officer advice they work with? Is there a large team of consultants, proffessors and virologists behind the scenes we don't see an "expert panel" so to say? I would like to think we have the best of the best working on this problem not just people who happened to be in the job when this pandemic began:eek:
    It's NPHET who advise. I think there are up to 50 of them on it. The CMO is just one voice.


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