How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

grind gremlin · 29-08-2020 03:19PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Well well well, just passed by the local playground yesterday evening and it was completely packed with young kids running around jumping on top of swings and zip lines.

Either a lot of parents are fine with the school situation or else there's a lot of hypocrites. I think theres a loud minority of teachers and idiot parents who were trying to stop them going back to school.

Or else people are basing their decisions on the fact that the government is telling them that it’s ok for 30 kids to be in one room all day.... therefore it must surely be safe for them to also mix with kids outdoors......

I hope the government are correct in what they’ve been telling us.... children don’t pass it on to each other etc.

My gut feeling isn’t great though considering how things have played out in other countries with smaller class sizes.

khalessi · 29-08-2020 03:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Read this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN25O2DE
Read Kallisis post that got all the thanks after mine, their first line contradicts the evidence. Nobody is looking for evidence, pizza protects you from covid, where's the evidence? There's so much nonsense and fear out there people will believe anything.

Is this the post you are referring to?
drunkmonkey wrote "Maybe it is in under 19's with no or little symptoms...

LONDON (Reuters) - Children and young people are far less likely than adults to get severe cases of COVID-19 infection, and death from the pandemic disease among children is exceptionally rare, according to UK research published on Thursday.

“The highest level message really has to be that (in children with COVID-19) severe disease is rare, and death is vanishingly rare - and that (parents) should be comforted that their children are not at direct harm by going back into school,” he told a briefing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN25O2DE"

My response,
We know they do get as sick as adults but as has been mentioned here before, 0-5 year olds have more coronavirus in their nose than adults. 10 years old and up can spread it as much as adults. So going into school means they may not be sick and a runny nose is a symptom of milder infections. So if they spread it other children may get it and not be sick but could pass it to their relatives who could be very sick, or to their teachers who could be very sick.

Norway's biggest school outbreak had 40 cases of children with covid19 totally related to them being infected in schools.

What is wrong with it?

3xh · 29-08-2020 03:26PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Read this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN25O2DE
Read Kallisis post that got all the thanks after mine, their first line contradicts the evidence. Nobody is looking for evidence, pizza protects you from covid, where's the evidence? There's so much nonsense and fear out there people will believe anything.

I tried saying the same over the past week to the very (coincidentally) poster you quoted here. She called me Trump and all sorts when I pointed out to her the issues with her understanding of the facts as they’re presented to her. They’re generally in a neat, easy to remember form, clearly devoid of her own critical thinking. She then said she’s through talking to me.

I had highlighted how a self-proclaimed ‘mother, children’s doctor and researcher’ took part in that very study you copied here and that the facts stated 100% of the children that died (just 6 children in 6 months) had underlying conditions and co-morbidities.

If you have been genuinely following Covid developments you won’t all throw your hands up in the air and scream ‘racist!’ when I say BAME deaths are accepted as being disproportionately higher than white child deaths.
Ireland has a very low non-white school population. And even of the so-called BAME students we do have in our schools, the chance of them contracting and passing it on is minuscule.
The author of this fact based report (the mother, children’s doctor and researcher) said so herself.

Yet in this thank infested vacuum, you need to conform to the consensus to be accepted as a normal person and not a conspiracy theorist, Gemma fan, etc.

Genuine question, what part of the study mentioned here^^^ does anyone have an issue with? Take as long as you need to get around to actually reading it.

khalessi · 29-08-2020 03:29PM

3xh wrote: »

I tried saying the same over the past week to the very (coincidentally) poster you quoted here. She called me Trump and all sorts when I pointed out to her the issues with her understanding of the facts as they’re presented to her. They’re generally in a neat, easy to remember form, clearly devoid of her own critical thinking. She then said she’s through talking to me.
I had highlighted how a self-proclaimed ‘mother, children’s doctor and researcher’ took part in that very study you copied here and that the facts stated 100% of the children that died (just 6 children in 6 months) had underlying conditions and co-morbidities.

If you have been genuinely following Covid developments you won’t all throw your hands up in the air and scream ‘racist!’ when I say BAME deaths are accepted as being disproportionately higher than white child deaths.
.

Who called you a racist?
Who said they were through talking to you?

limnam · 29-08-2020 03:31PM

3xh wrote: »

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Genuine question, what part of the study mentioned here^^^ does anyone have an issue with? Take as long as you need to get around to actually reading it.

I think it's been said enough. But one more time won't hurt.

In the main, parents don't seem to have any concerns with covid impacting a child.

The concern where there is concern is the child bringing it home into the wider family.

I think you can have this concern and not be a out of control covid zealot

drunkmonkey · 29-08-2020 03:33PM

khalessi wrote: »

Is this the post you are referring to?
drunkmonkey wrote "Maybe it is in under 19's with no or little symptoms...

LONDON (Reuters) - Children and young people are far less likely than adults to get severe cases of COVID-19 infection, and death from the pandemic disease among children is exceptionally rare, according to UK research published on Thursday.

“The highest level message really has to be that (in children with COVID-19) severe disease is rare, and death is vanishingly rare - and that (parents) should be comforted that their children are not at direct harm by going back into school,” he told a briefing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN25O2DE"

My response,
We know they do get as sick as adults but as has been mentioned here before, 0-5 year olds have more coronavirus in their nose than adults. 10 years old and up can spread it as much as adults. So going into school means they may not be sick and a runny nose is a symptom of milder infections. So if they spread it other children may get it and not be sick but could pass it to their relatives who could be very sick, or to their teachers who could be very sick.

Norway's biggest school outbreak had 40 cases of children with covid19 totally related to them being infected in schools.

What is wrong with it?

It's a down right blatant lie devoid of facts, read your first line then go read the article. Explain to me why real world evidence isn't acceptable.
What real word data are you basing your facts on all i'm seeing in your post is assumptions and a fear of kids noses.

3xh · 29-08-2020 03:44PM

khalessi wrote: »

Who called you a racist?
Who said they were through talking to you?

Nobody called me a racist. I used the word in the post you quoted to cut off any attempt by anyone here to say something stupid like; that’s unreasonable, we’re all equal. What’s race got to do with it, Trump? Etc etc.

And seeing as hardly anyone here has read that Covid/Under-19s/BAME study mentioned, it seems prudent I did.

The answer to your second question is irishblessing.

3xh · 29-08-2020 03:46PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Well well well, just passed by the local playground yesterday evening and it was completely packed with young kids running around jumping on top of swings and zip lines.

Either a lot of parents are fine with the school situation or else there's a lot of hypocrites. I think theres a loud minority of teachers and idiot parents who were trying to stop them going back to school.

To state the obvious, I agree.

29-08-2020 03:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Oh we're back to parents who don't want to start vaccinating their children for the flu at 2 are anti vaxxers now. Talking about a post of assumptions.

Firstly on that quote, I think everyone knows it’s unlikely that kids will get very sick from covid but still there is a chance, it’s Russian roulette you are playing if you are happy to let them get it. However the main reason people don’t want children going to school and mixing is that it will spread the virus to other age groups who are at more risk. I’d have thought that aaa obvious but maybe not to you.

And yes refusing to vaccinate a two year old is anti vax when you try to justify it with rubbish like the child is “breast fed” (breast feeding militants - another group of apes) and I never got the flu. That is just the type of rubbish anti vaxxers come out with about other vaccines.

khalessi · 29-08-2020 04:09PM

3xh wrote: »

Nobody called me a racist. I used the word in the post you quoted to cut off any attempt by anyone here to say something stupid like; that’s unreasonable, we’re all equal. What’s race got to do with it, Trump? Etc etc.

And seeing as hardly anyone here has read that Covid/Under-19s/BAME study mentioned, it seems prudent I did.

The answer to your second question is irishblessing.

I read it and... we already know so what is your point

drunkmonkey · 29-08-2020 04:18PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

Firstly on that quote, I think everyone knows it’s unlikely that kids will get very sick from covid but still there is a chance, it’s Russian roulette you are playing if you are happy to let them get it. However the main reason people don’t want children going to school and mixing is that it will spread the virus to other age groups who are at more risk. I’d have thought that aaa obvious but maybe not to you.

And yes refusing to vaccinate a two year old is anti vax when you try to justify it with rubbish like the child is “breast fed” (breast feeding militants - another group of apes) and I never got the flu. That is just the type of rubbish anti vaxxers come out with about other vaccines.

So you still haven't read the evidence.

Why are you blaming kids? Anyone can spread it to anyone, care homes and hospitals are the places this needs to be kept away from, those people are more likely to get it from an adult not a child.

Not wanting to start vaccinations on healthy children is not anti vaxx as i'd take it to mean. I don't know how you can't understand that. Any parent i've spoken to is surprised that's even on the cards.

3xh · 29-08-2020 04:24PM

khalessi wrote: »

I read it and... we already know so what is your point

That regardless of the facts in that few days old report that says there’s a minuscule in a minuscule chance of getting it and dying from it and you basically need to be sick already and BAME which Ireland hardly suffers from, ‘worried and exasperated parents’ are still not listening to those facts because they haven’t read it. No time, too difficult to grasp, not told by Sharon Ní Bheoiláin with sound bites. Take your pick.

I get the argument about little healthy Johnny bringing it home to his live-in granny or terminally sick parent. But is the solution to that real, everyday problem to some to shut down schools?

On the basis we’ve had a school system shutdown already and that the education experts agree it’s disproportionately excessive for their education and natural desire to mix with friends, shutting down all schools again for a small percentage of children who have ill/infirm family is equally detrimental to all. We can’t go on like that.

Blondini · 29-08-2020 05:07PM

Are there not other threads for the weirdos to hang around, and let the grown-ups have this one to discuss schools?

29-08-2020 05:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So you still haven't read the evidence.

Why are you blaming kids? Anyone can spread it to anyone, care homes and hospitals are the places this needs to be kept away from, those people are more likely to get it from an adult not a child.

Because nowhere in the country are people being packed into rooms like in schools in their 1000’s all around the county. They aren’t being made wear masks, they aren’t being made social distance (in some cases they are too young to understand obviously but all other ages should be). A large amount of the country is still working from home as it’s not deemed safe to have people in offices with far greater distances and adults who understand distancing yet kids are back to normal. It’s idiotic.

These kids are coming home to people who work in hospitals and nursing homes, to at risk parents, to elderly grandparents. Then it can be spread in shops by kids or by the parents the kids pass it to and who knows where else. There is nothing in this country that’s a fraction of the potential risk of schools, nothing.

Schools should not be open simple as that.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not wanting to start vaccinations on healthy children is not anti vaxx as i'd take it to mean. I don't know how you can't understand that. Any parent i've spoken to is surprised that's even on the cards.

Every vaccine is given to healthy children, what are you rambling on about. It’s the very same “logic” that people refuse the MMR etc on. There is no reason not to give the vaccine, none only tinfoil hat anti vax bollocksology.

combat14 · 29-08-2020 05:48PM

great to see covid is gone away now and everything is opening back up again for christmas

Loafing Oaf · 29-08-2020 05:53PM

3xh wrote: »

sick already and BAME which Ireland hardly suffers from

:rolleyes:
Yes thankfully we've largely managed to evade that contagion

3xh · 29-08-2020 07:17PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Yes thankfully we've largely managed to evade that contagion

Well done, you. You can now add raging racist and xenophobe to the long list of adjectives you can pull out of your collective hats to describe me. Clap clap. If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy with your friends here, I’m glad to help you feel safe here now that you can label me in a particular way.

Is there a point you’d like to make regarding the obvious over reaction by grown adults who can’t actually decipher reports and statistics in general unless it’s read to them using soundbites?

Bobtheman · 29-08-2020 07:30PM

Internationally how have school openings gone?
I personally find statistics given out of context confusing.
That's the way they tend to be presented on RTE

Bobtheman · 29-08-2020 07:34PM

Dug this up. Seems that the UK is not doing that great a job of it
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-53856505

Blondini · 29-08-2020 07:51PM

3xh wrote: »

Well done, you. You can now add raging racist and xenophobe to the long list of adjectives you can pull out of your collective hats to describe me. Clap clap. If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy with your friends here, I’m glad to help you feel safe here now that you can label me in a particular way.

Is there a point you’d like to make regarding the obvious over reaction by grown adults who can’t actually decipher reports and statistics in general unless it’s read to them using soundbites?

What's your beef with this thread fam? Yo?

Locotastic · 29-08-2020 08:01PM

From primary it seems to be a few small change but more or less business as usual. Heard of few kids being sent home already with coughs, what's the situation there?

Get a cough, get a test? Conflicting information and not very clear.

3xh · 29-08-2020 08:29PM

Blondini wrote: »

What's your beef with this thread fam? Yo?

Not that I care but your post earlier referring to my level of stupidity that you then couldn’t show what you mean exactly, would come to mind.

As well as the clear lack of posters’ ability to think critically. But that ship has sailed for them. A lifetime of spoon fed ‘facts’ awaits them. I pity them.

If I said to you, ‘Deaths have soared 100% today’
what would you say?

Blondini · 29-08-2020 08:45PM

3xh wrote: »

If I said to you, ‘Deaths have soared 100% today’
what would you say?

Did they OMG :eek:

am_zarathustra · 29-08-2020 08:51PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Yes thankfully we've largely managed to evade that contagion

Jesus this thread deteriorated since I checked last night.

I generally find racists to be bad at science. If you wan't to avoid pandemics have a glance there at hybrid vigour.......most of the diversity of the world is also held in genetically African populations, they are far more likely to survive a pandemic than the relatively homogenous white/asian populations!

Diverse MHC classes is where it's at for optimum immunity

s1ippy · 29-08-2020 08:56PM

combat14 wrote: »

great to see covid is gone away now and everything is opening back up again for christmas

We have the season of children going door to door getting sweets from people first.

TonyMaloney · 29-08-2020 08:58PM

At least they'll be wearing masks

3xh · 29-08-2020 09:41PM

Blondini wrote: »

Did they OMG :eek:

Tut tut.

You might, blondini. But a more measured and coherent member of the public would say, ‘So how many actually died then?’

‘Two. Today. And one yesterday. So a 100% increase’ Do you get it now?

That’s the difference between what I’ve been trying to explain to people here (like irishblessing among many others) about critical thinking and the media soundbite gorging folks that just blindly regurgitate every ‘fact’ they hear from Sharon Ní Bheoláin. No offence to Sharon.

Yet it’s me who gets called Trump, a conspiracy theorist, a liar and so on.

By the way, just to be even clearer, there were 0 deaths related in any way to Covid announced today, 29/08/2020. And 0 for the past 7 days.

Blondini · 29-08-2020 09:52PM

3xh wrote: »

Tut tut.

You might, blondini. But a more measured and coherent member of the public would say, ‘So how many actually died then?’

‘Two. Today. And one yesterday. So a 100% increase’ Do you get it now?

So two died Today and one died yesterday?
I thought it was 0 ?

3xh · 29-08-2020 10:11PM

Blondini wrote: »

So two died Today and one died yesterday?
I thought it was 0 ?

Don’t be confusing the others Blondini. You’ll only make them search for the truth.

Blondini · 29-08-2020 10:14PM

3xh wrote: »

Don’t be confusing the others Blondini. You’ll only make them search for the truth.

I'm tired now.

I'm taking the p1ss ya dose.

Go sleep in a marquee or something.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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