Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

normanoffside · 29-08-2020 01:43PM

fr336 wrote: »

What is going on in france!

Le Tour?

xhomelezz · 29-08-2020 01:44PM

gral6 wrote: »

You can hide in your underground bunker till then.

Don't need to. And don't need to post sci fi herd immunity posts either..

road_high · 29-08-2020 01:45PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I really fear for foreign students in Ireland this year.
They are going to be the butt of xenophobia and ignorance.

Everyone will just assume they came over yesterday.

I think any visiting foreign full stop. The anti foreigner sentiment stoked up by all this hysteria is concerning

statesaver · 29-08-2020 01:51PM

road_high wrote: »

I think any visiting foreign full stop. The anti foreigner sentiment stoked up by all this hysteria is concerning

The only anti foreigner sentiment I have seen here and on other forums is anti American sentiment.

bodhrandude · 29-08-2020 01:53PM

I see Reading and Leeds festival is announcing their bill for next year, next week, what is the actual point until there's a resolution to the pandemic, are they not just wasting their time and money on advertising to possibly have to cancel again over 2021.

29-08-2020 01:56PM

statesaver wrote: »

The only anti foreigner sentiment I have seen here and on other forums is anti American sentiment.

There's been a number of attacks against Asians and people with Asian backgrounds this year. Covid was referenced in a couple of them. So it's a pretty legit concern.

road_high · 29-08-2020 01:58PM

statesaver wrote: »

The only anti foreigner sentiment I have seen here and on other forums is anti American sentiment.

Well that is anti foreigner.
Not forgetting the poor Romanian and Bulgarian over here to work on fruit/veg farms earning a few quid to survive and do work the Irish will never do

statesaver · 29-08-2020 01:59PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

I see Reading and Leeds festival is announcing their bill for next year, next week, what is the actual point until there's a resolution to the pandemic, are they not just wasting their time and money on advertising to possibly have to cancel again over 2021.

It's nice to have something to look forward to nowadays even if it may be cancelled next year. Who knows ?

gral6 · 29-08-2020 02:00PM

road_high wrote: »

Well that is anti foreigner.
Not forgetting the poor Romanian and Bulgarian over here to work on fruit/veg farms earning a few quid to survive and do work the Irish will never do

Poor Brazilians wandering around Dublin, infecting Irish too.

mloc123 · 29-08-2020 02:01PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Herd immunity, yeah right..in 50 years

Yeah. Even at the rate of infection the US are seeing.... It takes ~21 days for 1 million people to be infected. So around 17 million a year, it would take 10 years to reach 50% of the population

statesaver · 29-08-2020 02:03PM

road_high wrote: »

Well that is anti foreigner.
Not forgetting the poor Romanian and Bulgarian over here to work on fruit/veg farms earning a few quid to survive and do work the Irish will never do

Brought in at the very height of the pandemic, not a very wise thing to do imo.
I saw nothing anti foreigner about it. I did see and feel real anger at the Government for giving approval for them to come in while telling everyone else to stay indoors. Hypocrites IMO.

ACitizenErased · 29-08-2020 02:11PM

89 new cases up north

khalessi · 29-08-2020 02:15PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

I see Reading and Leeds festival is announcing their bill for next year, next week, what is the actual point until there's a resolution to the pandemic, are they not just wasting their time and money on advertising to possibly have to cancel again over 2021.

They might do a socially distanced one like the recent one in Newcastle I think.

Non solum non ambulabit · 29-08-2020 02:30PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I really fear for foreign students in Ireland this year.
They are going to be the butt of xenophobia and ignorance.

Everyone will just assume they came over yesterday.

I know an American who lives in Ireland and she is constantly getting comments made in shops and restaurants

29-08-2020 02:31PM

statesaver wrote: »

Brought in at the very height of the pandemic, not a very wise thing to do imo.
I saw nothing anti foreigner about it. I did see and feel real anger at the Government for giving approval for them to come in while telling everyone else to stay indoors. Hypocrites IMO.

Really because the thread about it was full of the usual anti immigrant and NP shills from here.

Martina1991 · 29-08-2020 02:40PM

Drumpot wrote: »

If you are testing daily 4 out of 5 days you are clear. Even if you test yourself the day you have the virus and get a negative, the next day when you test again you will get a correct result.

Right now our only way of finding asymptomatic cases is mostly by random testing or contact tracing. We don’t know how many people have been infected or are infected. We are fighting this blind and making best guesses. Any tool that improves our knowledge on the virus helps our responses and reactions. Also helps us understand it more.

It is impossible to pick up every asymptomatic case. You would have to regularly test every single person in the country. No matter how cheap a test claims to be, to provide it on a nationwide scale it would cost a fortune.
In countries where the virus is under control, there is no need for these cheap quick tests. It's a waste of resources.

A lot of sources promoting these cheap tests are coming out of the USA, where the virus is out on control. It's firefighting, trying to find as many cases as possible, by any means necessary.

Their shortages in supplies and reagents cause long delays for lab results so pump out direct to consumer tests.
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/pharmaceuticals-and-medical-products/our-insights/covid-19-overcoming-supply-shortages-for-diagnostic-testing#

They thought they could pool their tests to increase capacity, but they can't do it when their positivity rates are too high.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/health/coronavirus-pool-testing.html?fbclid=IwAR08Kp9V-mtUOfqBjsTCmWJvTLl7siycrifgRVho-vVS9TD7dqd3Y1HmKKc

Trump told the FDA they no longer have to require every Covid19 test to be reviewed. That removes barriers to protect the patient from inaccurate tests. The CDC has also changed their recommendation for testing to omit those who dont have symptoms, even if they were in close contact with a confirmed case. How f*cked up is that.
https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/testing/recission-guidances-informal-issuances-premarket-review-lab-tests/index.html

Even this new method of sample collection from Saliva Direct has its limitations. https://asm.org/Articles/2020/August/What-is-the-COVID-19-SalivaDirect-Test?utm_campaign=Articles&utm_id=004fjhvwcyns64z&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR22gPUsgc3d74CinxaBv6-caXGd7OPB_woGIK_nSNBfZDr6izCfMpXT3DI

There will continue to be new tests claiming to be the new "game changer".
The jury is very much out in my opinion.

ACitizenErased · 29-08-2020 02:45PM

The cheap tests should be used in partnership with normal PCR. If it’s positive on the rapid test, test with PCR. If there’s doubt on a negative result, test with PCR.

bb1234567 · 29-08-2020 02:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

**** all, they are living away as normal as they can.

Well it won't be normal for the French for much longer with the way cases are growing

bb1234567 · 29-08-2020 02:56PM

gral6 wrote: »

Herd immunity is the only way out. The lockdown just kicks the can down the road.
Sweden & Belarus have proved it.

How have they proven that? France has far far more deaths per capita than Belarus, and very comparable to Sweden. So either these two countries have in reality not hit herd immunity, or else France has as well, and given the exponential rise in cases the last few days there in France it makes it look very unlikely that it has, and by extension that Sweden and certainly not Belarus have either.

mandrake04 · 29-08-2020 03:02PM

Just buy more PCR instrumentation, a Cobas 8800 runs about 5000 samples per day the max time to run a batch of 94 is 3hrs tops doesn’t take days.

Stick an auto-pooler on the front end and you could do easily do 40,000, it’s not that difficult ....why have your pant pulled down buying bits of plastic and paper to realise after a few weeks you been conned? Happened to the brits.

ACitizenErased · 29-08-2020 03:04PM

Sweden’s infection rate is now lower than ours. They are raising outdoor limits to 500 people.

political analyst · 29-08-2020 03:08PM

Has the danger posed by the virus been exaggerated?

In my view, it has.

It's as is NPHET is on a power-trip when it brings up the very idea of a second national lockdown. Of those non-elderly people who don't have serious underlying health problems (respiratory, overweight etc), very few need hospital treatment, i.e. additional oxygen, ventilator.

The PPE problem has been resolved and so nursing-home residents are much less likely to get the virus.

A woman who has cystic fibrosis mentioned in a social media discussion that she's still cocooning and only goes out when she has to - and when she does, she uses surgical masks that she bought from a pharmacy.

Has NPHET forgotten the point that another lockdown would mean less commerce and thus less tax revenue and thus less money to fund the health service?

I suspect that some people have been reading too much bio-apocalyptic fiction. Honestly, we're not in a crisis of the sort you'd read about in a Stephen King novel! :rolleyes:

political analyst · 29-08-2020 03:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sweden’s infection rate is now lower than ours. They are raising outdoor limits to 500 people.

I knew they were right!

MerlinSouthDub · 29-08-2020 03:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The cheap tests should be used in partnership with normal PCR. If it’s positive on the rapid test, test with PCR. If there’s doubt on a negative result, test with PCR.

Yes, but for that to work, the rapid tests need to pretty accurate. 95% + I would say

gral6 · 29-08-2020 03:11PM

Just put idiots from NPHET on €203 a week and they'll be back to Earth straight away.

hmmm · 29-08-2020 03:11PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Herd immunity won't work with reinfection.

We don't know yet if these reinfections are rare or common. On the face of them they look rare, we should be seeing a lot more. A few cases of people with unusual immune systems does not mean it will happen to everyone. But it's still wise to be cautious, and try and avoid getting this thing until we know more.

Vaccine induced immunity however is usually a lot more powerful than "natural" (if there is such a thing) herd immunity. Vaccines simulate severe infections, but without the side effects.

niallo27 · 29-08-2020 03:12PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well it won't be normal for the French for much longer with the way cases are growing

Why the hospitals are empty and very little deaths, maybe just maybe they will stick with the restrictions they have and not **** up their economy even more

hmmm · 29-08-2020 03:13PM

political analyst wrote: »

Has NPHET forgotten the point that another lockdown would mean less commerce and thus less tax revenue and thus less money to fund the health service?

No. If they weren't trying to help the government find a balance we'd still be in a lockdown.

Most people are very happy that we are not simply letting this virus run rampant, and we'll be in this half-way house until we get to a vaccine.

Boggles · 29-08-2020 03:15PM

political analyst wrote: »

Has the danger posed by the virus been exaggerated?

In my view, it has.

It's as is NPHET is on a power-trip when it brings up the very idea of a second national lockdown. Of those non-elderly people who don't have serious underlying health problems (respiratory, overweight etc), very few need hospital treatment, i.e. additional oxygen, ventilator.

The PPE problem has been resolved and so nursing-home residents are much less likely to get the virus.

A woman who has cystic fibrosis mentioned in a social media discussion that she's still cocooning and only goes out when she has to - and when she does, she uses surgical masks that she bought from a pharmacy.

Has NPHET forgotten the point that another lockdown would mean less commerce and thus less tax revenue and thus less money to fund the health service?

I suspect that some people have been reading too much bio-apocalyptic fiction. Honestly, we're not in a crisis of the sort you'd read about in a Stephen King novel! :rolleyes:

Just a flu bro, let it rip?

:rolleyes:

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 29-08-2020 03:16PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Really because the thread about it was full of the usual anti immigrant and NP shills from here.

People can be entitled to have concerns about the contradiction of being restricted in what they can do for months in order to prevent the spread of infection while visitors from other countries with higher infection rates were being allowed into the country.

This is completely rational, whether the figures involved are significant or not is another thing, but it doesn't mean said people with concerns are anti immigrant or "NP shills", whatever they are, or foreigner haters. I know people these days just love lumping people they don't agree with into categories so that they can assign labels to them and tut tut at them, but not everything is black and white.

For example, I initially couldn't see the sense in visitors from some countries making leisure trips here while we still making such sacrifices, but I saw little wrong with seasonal workers from Bulgaria etc. coming here as they did every year since they were needed for skilled work. What derogatory label should I be assigned as a result?

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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