Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 04:21PM

political analyst wrote: »

Donnelly's statement is especially disappointing. I thought he'd be more level-headed than his predecessor. :

Nah, he's really not got a handle on this and how to communicate it. There's also more than hint from government, mainly FF, of a need to put manners on miscreants. Donnelly is not good under pressure it seems but a great man to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong.

Away With The Fairies · 28-08-2020 04:22PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1299362114373648385

We should be going for total eradication of this virus.

mloc123 · 28-08-2020 04:22PM

political analyst wrote: »

Donnelly's statement is especially disappointing. I thought he'd be more level-headed than his predecessor. :

:pac:

ACitizenErased · 28-08-2020 04:22PM

Between 850-900 excess deaths over the pandemic. Way less than the 1,777 deaths recorded.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

caveat emptor · 28-08-2020 04:24PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We should be going for total eradication of this virus.

Agree. China will end up "leading" the global eradication effort much like the US did with smallpox.

https://twitter.com/IlonaKickbusch/status/1299106697336807429?s=20

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 04:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Between 850-900 excess deaths over the pandemic. Way less than the 1,777 deaths recorded.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

Yes but

This may suggest that up to half of those whose deaths were either "confirmed, probably or possibly" caused by Covid-19 during the first five months of the pandemic could have been likely to pass away from other causes during that period but that Covid-19 hastened their passing.

JDD · 28-08-2020 04:26PM

And if we manage to keep flu deaths to a minimum over this winter - which is not impossible given flu infections have plummeted in Australia and South America during their own winter - we may actually only come out with 2-300 excess deaths.

That would be a fantastic outcome, and well worth the sacrifices made by everyone.

Away With The Fairies · 28-08-2020 04:28PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Agree. China will end up "leading" the global eradication effort much like the US did with smallpox.

https://twitter.com/IlonaKickbusch/status/1299106697336807429?s=20

The sad part is, I think we should have had very hard measures at the beginning. But everything is so half arsed that it will just drag it out even longer. At what point will they wake up and realize this?

political analyst · 28-08-2020 04:28PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We should be going for total eradication of this virus.

It has a longer incubation period - and is thus much less deadly - than SARS. Therefore, eradication is unrealistic. Having another lockdown would mean less tax revenue from businesses and thus less money for the health service.

Only a very small proportion of those who get the virus need hospital treatment.

Gerry Hatrick · 28-08-2020 04:29PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Was in Liffey Valley today and it was an absolute disgrace . People milling around everywhere , the food hall was packed and no control whatsoever on numbers
People hovering waiting for tables to be free and sitting down before staff could wipe them . No one paying any attention to how many packed into the food hall

Been noticing this kind of carry on all week. We are going to lose this battle and head back to lockdown no matter what the government say. People can blame whoever they want but without personal responsibility we will lose this battle.

political analyst · 28-08-2020 04:30PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The sad part is, I think we should have had very hard measures at the beginning. But everything is so half arsed that it will just drag it out even longer. At what point will they wake up and realize this?

Protection for nursing-home residents has been greatly improved since the start of the pandemic. Therefore, a second wave would cause much fewer deaths.

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 04:31PM

polesheep wrote: »

Yes, I do. It is not enough to post up case numbers without the context of hospital numbers.

I see the context requirements are slowly creeping up.

Now I half want a lockdown just so I can watch people eating their shoes and socks.

hmmm · 28-08-2020 04:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Between 850-900 excess deaths over the pandemic.

Great result, let's hope we can keep it like that over Winter.

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 04:32PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The sad part is, I think we should have had very hard measures at the beginning. But everything is so half arsed that it will just drag it out even longer. At what point will they wake up and realize this?

Measures were as tough as they could be but it got into the hospitals and care homes from the community. Unfortunately our testing was unable to deal with it all.

Away With The Fairies · 28-08-2020 04:32PM

political analyst wrote: »

Protection for nursing-home residents has been greatly improved since the start of the pandemic. Therefore, a second wave would cause much fewer deaths.

Should we not be protecting everybody though? With long term affects and people still recovering. We can't let re-infections happen.

political analyst · 28-08-2020 04:33PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Been noticing this kind of carry on all week. We are going to lose this battle and head back to lockdown no matter what the government say. People can blame whoever they want but without personal responsibility we will lose this battle.

But the virus kills less than 1% of people who get it. So it's not much worse than the flu.

There already were people with auto-immune disorders long before the pandemic but we didn't have lockdowns for outbreaks of other viruses.

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 04:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any change in relation to private homes requires a vote in the Dáil so long as the AG decides its constitutional and there is still a big question mark on that.

Was discussed previously when this stuff was originally announced that it would require a vote.

Likewise the new powers for Gardai are also required to be brought before the Dáil next Wednesday

"The Oireachtas is likely to move promptly to grant gardaí these powers and it will top the legislative agenda when the Dáil resumes on Wednesday. "

Just curious whats the status on that?

For all my ranting allowing gardai enter a house to break up a party (or just on a whim) is not something I would be comfortable with.

iguana · 28-08-2020 04:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Between 850-900 excess deaths over the pandemic. Way less than the 1,777 deaths recorded.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

That doesn’t mean they didn’t all die of COVID. It’s likely that 800+ of those who died from it, would have died for another reason in a similar timeframe.

political analyst · 28-08-2020 04:34PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Should we not be protecting everybody though? With long term affects and people still recovering. We can't let re-infections happen.

The elderly are among the vulnerable. For most people who get the virus, it's not much worse than the flu. Less than 1% of those who get the virus die from it.

jackboy · 28-08-2020 04:34PM

political analyst wrote: »

The fatality rate - when you take into account those who were only slightly ill and recovered and never told a doctor - is probably 0.6%.

I can’t see it being that high. I’d say probably less than 0.2%.

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 04:35PM

JDD wrote: »

Honestly I don't think there's a huge amount of people being infected by picking it up off surfaces on their fingers and then infecting themselves from fiddling with their mask.

There is a method for taking on and off a mask in a hospital setting because you are surrounded by people who are positively sick and lots of sick people have touched a lot of surfaces in the building you spend 12 hours a day in. The mask is to protect you from them, and clearly the benefit would be somewhat negated if you took the mask off while brushing your eyes or lips with contaminated hands.

The purpose of cloth/disposible masks in the public at large is to protect others from you. Yes, there's a tiny chance that you will pick it off a surface and transfer it to your mouth when lifting a mask from your chin to your face, but prevention of airbourne virus shedding vastly vastly outweighs the risk of taking on or off a mask incorrectly.

Just re-quoting this sensibleness. In a hospital the mask wearers don't want your bugs. Out here in the world you are a wearing a mask to hold in your covid bugs in case you have it. Touch yourself all over as much as you want..

NegativeCreep · 28-08-2020 04:36PM

Beaumont hospital not allowing any visitors at all anymore due to an increase of cases apparently. Just got a call from them.

odyssey06 · 28-08-2020 04:38PM

political analyst wrote: »

But the virus kills less than 1% of people who get it. So it's not much worse than the flu.

There already were people with auto-immune disorders long before the pandemic but we didn't have lockdowns for outbreaks of other viruses.

The flu figures aren't comparable if you are comparing it to the covid-19 case count.
How much testing do we do of mild cases of the flu or asymptomatic?

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 04:39PM

political analyst wrote: »

Those deaths are tragic but fatalities constitute a very small proportion of those people who have caught the virus - including those who had it and recovered without ever knowing they had it.

Covid is much less likely to kill than SARS ever was but some people react as if it was as horrific as the bubonic plague.

And some people react as if it were a minor cold.

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 04:39PM

jackboy wrote: »

I can’t see it being that high. I’d say probably less than 0.2%.

Flu has an R0 of about 1.2-1.4 whereas COVID has been reckoned at 2-3, plus not having too many specific treatments for it yet means that hospitals can come under pressure quite quickly. Protecting the at risk groups is probably going to be a big part of our ongoing management of it.

hmmm · 28-08-2020 04:40PM

political analyst wrote: »

But the virus kills less than 1% of people who get it. So it's not much worse than the flu.

1% is massive - that's 50,000 people in Ireland. We lose about 200-500 people a year to Flu. I don't know how anyone can possibly compare this to the Flu.

And that's not even starting on the unknown effects of the virus on people who survive.

rob316 · 28-08-2020 04:45PM

hmmm wrote: »

1% is massive - that's 50,000 people in Ireland. We lose about 200-500 people a year to Flu. I don't know how anyone can possibly compare this to the Flu.

And that's not even starting on the unknown effects of the virus on people who survive.

Thats the entire population becoming infected which is near impossible. And its not 1% death rate its not even close to that.

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 04:45PM

JDD wrote: »

We can often overestimate the risk of something when it occurs to someone close to us.

And we can often underestimate the risk when we've seen no evidence of it. It's human nature.

I also know three people who have had positive tests over the past five months. All in their 40's, two in Ireland and one in the UK. None had underlying conditions. All had a hard time recovering from it but recover they did, apart from one who still has to occasionally take an inhaler and still feels the fatigue, but then she's a stay at home mum to five children so I guess she didn't get much time to rest or recover.

Just because my friends recovered does it mean I am underestimating potential complications from this virus. But national policy cannot be set on anecdotal evidence. The facts are that the vast majority of people who contract this virus recover without complications. Of course complications could show up in a year, or ten years, but that is a remote possibility and must be treated as such.

But its NOT a remote possibility. Its a 50/50 chance of heart damage even if you are asymptomatic.

Hearts dont regenerate. Thats definately trouble down the line.

Does it not worry you, of the 3 people you know who had it one still hasnt recovered? 5 months later?

And Im not talking about national policy. Im talking about personal responsibility.

Our attitudes to this bug will determine how easily it spreads and willl eventually affect national policy eventually anyway.

Derek Zoolander · 28-08-2020 04:48PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

But its NOT a remote possibility. Its a 50/50 chance of heart damage even if you are asymptomatic.

Hearts dont regenerate. Thats definately trouble down the line.

Does it not worry you, of the 3 people you know who had it one still hasnt recovered? 5 months later?

And Im not talking about national policy. Im talking about personal responsibility.

Our attitudes to this bug will determine how easily it spreads and willl eventually affect national policy eventually anyway.

Any chance of a link to large scale data that illustrates 50% of people getting it have heart damage...

Not even large scale - something with n>100 would suffice

caveat emptor · 28-08-2020 04:51PM

hmmm wrote: »

1% is massive - that's 50,000 people in Ireland. We lose about 200-500 people a year to Flu. I don't know how anyone can possibly compare this to the Flu.

And that's not even starting on the unknown effects of the virus on people who survive.

Now imagine that year in year out. It’s a natural limiter on population.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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