Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

28-08-2020 09:16AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Look, we are living in a time where we are asked to keep our close contacts low. That is going beyond some people with their massive sense of entitlement for a regular high social life. Many people here in Ireland believes they are living their lives like Kim kardashian and are entitled to a social life - every.single.weekend.

Get me off this planet.

Where the **** are we headed? Its 'entitled' for people to enjoy socialising? We're social creatures. We're now at a point where society are very happy for me to sit in my room working 40 hours a week but meeting friends is beyond the pale. That just isn't a life worth living.

You're making it out as if socialising every weekend is weird? Its ****ing not.

Eod100 · 28-08-2020 09:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any powers relating to private homes will need to go before the Dáil in terms of Gardaí entering without a warrant as far as I'm aware unless they've found a loophole but it was widely reported a sitting of the Dáil would be required.

Secondly no they don't have the resources at all. One of my friends is a Garda as I've mentioned before and he said any calls like there's x number of people in this house are bottom of the queue and its essentially they'll get to them whenever they can. Could be an hour could be 4 hours but they are and will be bottom of the pile

Yeah constituental protection of home quite strong. On second point I agree, I meant more the State is trying to give the impression that they have enough resources to to do it. It's a token gesture really which is more about pr than anything. Lot more areas need focus tbh

drunkmonkey · 28-08-2020 09:19AM

ixoy wrote: »

Washing shopping has never really been advised, although fine if you wish. If you want to, just leave it in storage somewhere for a few days.

Have a look at the delivery drivers who also have to stock the shelves jumping out of the truck, pull up the chin strap from the front, adjust it from the front, man handle every item going on the shelf. I'm after witnessing it a few times getting my morning coffee.
With the mandatory masks it's made the danger of your shopping being contaminated a lot higher. Too much mask touching going on.

Professor Moriarty · 28-08-2020 09:20AM

AdamD wrote: »

Get me off this planet.

Where the **** are we headed? Its 'entitled' for people to enjoy socialising? We're social creatures. We're now at a point where society are very happy for me to sit in my room working 40 hours a week but meeting friends is beyond the pale. That just isn't a life worth living.

You're making it out as if socialising every weekend is weird? Its ****ing not.

It's no problem to go on the piss socialise with friends at the weekends if you social distance. Unfortunately, many people think it's okay to go on the piss socialise and not social distance.

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 09:21AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah constituencal protection of home quite strong. On second point I agree, I meant more the State is trying to give the impression that they have enough resources to to do it. It's a token gesture really which is more about pr than anything. Lot more areas need focus tbh

Yeah today purely seems to focus on pubs, RTE and Independent both saying it'll be measures to close them down for the rest of the day if found in breach, Garda contacts local superintendent for approval.

The legislation for that will still need Dáil approval when its back next Wednesday.

I agree purely a token gesture, to make people think twice probably about going to someone else's house or having a few people over, when realistically nothing will actually happen.

Restaurants/pubs are just the easy one to pick when as you say alot more areas need focus. This is just to distract from the shockingly low numbers of inspections carried out on meat plants etc.

Funsterdelux · 28-08-2020 09:22AM

hawkwing wrote: »

Maybe the reason is more people are being tested and it was rampant everywhere before. People died in nursing homes because it was already all over the place and they were vulnerable and now because one meat factory which could have easily been any type of factory was found to have a cluster more meat factory workers were tested and lots of people who have nothing at all wrong with them tested positive.
I don't think there was any failure etc regarding nursing homes because it was way more widespread than anyone said. Now I think a lot of the most liable to die are already dead as seems to be the case with deaths down everywhere compared to cases. But at this stage that to me is the only logical explanation for most of it,either way it's my last post on de virus as I have very little interest in the "experts/rte/boards" talking about it anymore.

Enjoy and mind yourself!

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 09:26AM

1 thing that I have been wondering about is Casinos, I thought they were in phase 4 ? Did they get moved into 3 ?

I know of 3 that are open and have been for weeks.

Eod100 · 28-08-2020 09:33AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

1 thing that I have been wondering about is Casinos, I thought they were in phase 4 ? Did they get moved into 3 ?

I know of 3 that are open and have been for weeks.

The funny thing is Varadkar and even government press releases on phases called them that but technically casinos are illegal here but places get around it by being private members clubs that people pay to be a member of. Very Irish solution. Ha I think they were moved to phase 3 alright bit could be wrong

Funsterdelux · 28-08-2020 09:37AM

AdamD wrote: »

Get me off this planet.

Where the **** are we headed? Its 'entitled' for people to enjoy socialising? We're social creatures. We're now at a point where society are very happy for me to sit in my room working 40 hours a week but meeting friends is beyond the pale. That just isn't a life worth living.

You're making it out as if socialising every weekend is weird? Its ****ing not.

Its not weird, its just uncommon for probably a majority of the population. Esp. People with young kids.

Time to be creative when it comes to socialising.

Keep in mind theres a global pandemic a happening, worst since 1918.

Sweet.Science · 28-08-2020 09:47AM

5 people in a whole country in ICU. Yet here we are.

The country has lost its mind

owlbethere · 28-08-2020 09:48AM

AdamD wrote: »

Get me off this planet.

Where the **** are we headed? Its 'entitled' for people to enjoy socialising? We're social creatures. We're now at a point where society are very happy for me to sit in my room working 40 hours a week but meeting friends is beyond the pale. That just isn't a life worth living.

You're making it out as if socialising every weekend is weird? Its ****ing not.

When lockdown was lifting NPHET asked us to keep our close contacts low. They really aren't putting out these recommendations for the craic to dump on us. I double think everything now and ask myself
Do I need to see this person?
Do I need to do xyz?
Is there an alternative?

I kept my close contacts low and minimised socialising. I don't feel my left is deprived and its a lot more richer rooting out unique experiences that's pretty much nearly on my doorstep and it was a delight to discover so much.

In my locality I know of some cases where its socialising and mixing every week and every weekend since lockdown lifted. One party one weekend a month isn't enough. They want it every weekend.

That is entitlement considering we have to reduce movements and mixing to curb the spread of the virus.

wadacrack · 28-08-2020 09:50AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

5 people in a whole country in ICU. Yet here we are.

The country has lost its mind

Ironic that your name is sweet science

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 09:51AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

5 people in a whole country in ICU. Yet here we are.

The country has lost its mind

It's the large numbers of active cases, which might lead to higher hospitalisations, that are the concern. It's called good planning.

Sweet.Science · 28-08-2020 09:53AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the large numbers of active cases, which might lead to higher hospitalisations, that are the concern. It's called good planning.

Ah this oul chestnut. We keep repeating this for another 12 months

Jim_Hodge · 28-08-2020 09:55AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ah this oul chestnut. We keep repeating this for another 12 months

And longer, if necessary. It's not that "old' a chestnut at all. Patience!

SeaBreezes · 28-08-2020 09:57AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ah this oul chestnut. We keep repeating this for another 12 months

And what are your thoughts on the proof that even asympotmatic cases cause heart damage?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1299027542272172032?s=19

mloc123 · 28-08-2020 09:59AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

And what are your thoughts on the proof that even asympotmatic cases cause heart damage?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1299027542272172032?s=19

That's life...

Maybe the virus will knock 20 year's off everyone's life expectancy, at some point we will just accept that lower life expectancy is the 'new normal'.

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 10:00AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ah this oul chestnut. We keep repeating this for another 12 months

Nah, this is the factual science stuff. It may ultimately be proved wrong but can't see you proving much of anything with this type of posting/ranting.

owlbethere · 28-08-2020 10:00AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

And what are your thoughts on the proof that even asympotmatic cases cause heart damage?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1299027542272172032?s=19

According to many of the boards.ie experts, the virus is just a little cold causing a little cough and damage to hearts is just outliers.

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 10:04AM

mloc123 wrote: »

That's life...

Maybe the virus will knock 20 year's off everyone's life expectancy, at some point we will just accept that lower life expectancy is the 'new normal'.

Not saying you may not have something of a point when it becomes endemic though 20 years is a big over estimation. A new endemic virus like this might bring life expectancy back a few years and be added into actuarial calculations etc But be merciful now - you will be kind and give us a wee bit of time agonising back and forth arguing before we might have to adjust to a 25% shorter life expectancy, won't ya?

Roger_007 · 28-08-2020 10:05AM

mloc123 wrote: »

That's life...

Maybe the virus will knock 20 year's off everyone's life expectancy, at some point we will just accept that lower life expectancy is the 'new normal'.

Seeing that the great majority of those who have died from the virus had already exceeded the current ‘normal’ life expectancy, how would the virus have any impact on life expectancy?

mloc123 · 28-08-2020 10:08AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Not saying you may not have something of a point when it becomes endemic though 20 years is a big over estimation. A new endemic virus like this might bring life expectancy back a few years and be added into actuarial calculations etc But be merciful now - you will be kind and give us a wee bit of time agonising back and forth arguing before we might have to adjust to a 25% shorter life expectancy, won't ya?

I am obviously picking a random number. 20 is probably quite high. But at some point I think people will just accept the virus and that it will knock a few years off the end of their life.

No more golden years, living in a care home being washed, dressed and helped to the toilet by a care assistant.

DebDynamite · 28-08-2020 10:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Government didn't bother to do anything to prevent outbreaks in meat factories.

It was easier to threaten lockdowns and blame people for having house parties.

Those meat factories then resulted in several clusters around the country. Some really big clusters.

Still allowing flights in from the US probably doesn't help either, although I have no idea how much that impacts the numbers.

More testing also means we are finding more cases but a lot of them are not even sick.

Why so many outbreaks in meat factories though? Before they stated popping up, we were at our lowest levels. If it’s barely out there in the community, how does it become so rampant in certain settings?

In my opinion, it came back in the same way it came into the country in the first place - travel. I would imagine a lot of workers in the meat factories went home to see their families for their holidays, caught the virus but were asymptomatic, didn’t self isolate for 14 days upon return and went straight back into work.

Sweet.Science · 28-08-2020 10:11AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, this is the factual science stuff. It may ultimately be proved wrong but can't see you proving much of anything with this type of posting/ranting.

Surely in 2 weeks time it will all be proved wrong . All this big increases in cases are to lead to an increase in ICU figures and deaths . If they dont well then ..

Jim_Hodge · 28-08-2020 10:12AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Seeing that the great majority of those who have died from the virus had already exceeded the current ‘normal’ life expectancy, how would the virus have any impact on life expectancy?

From the longer term affects on heart, lungs and kidney function among those younger patients .

Gruffalux · 28-08-2020 10:14AM

mloc123 wrote: »

I am obviously picking a random number. 20 is probably quite high. But at some point I think people will just accept the virus and that it will knock a few years off the end of their life.

No more golden years, living in a care home being washed, dressed and helped to the toilet by a care assistant.

I can tell you have a dark turn of mind. It is amusing. There might be upsides. Actuaries may be befuddled. Fewer preterm births during lock down. More people exercising. More general hygiene awareness in the population thus less disease. People on diets. Less fretful people going to the doctor or emergency room who don't really need to and thus avoiding excess meds. (Not talking about those who need medical care). My granny lived long and used to say avoid the doctor and the priest and I like her advice.

Away With The Fairies · 28-08-2020 10:16AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

5 people in a whole country in ICU. Yet here we are.

The country has lost its mind

It doesn't mean we can go back to way things were before all this. Increase of cases can lead to increase of hospitalisation.

is_that_so · 28-08-2020 10:16AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Surely in 2 weeks time it will all be proved wrong .

It's only due to run for two weeks anyway with a possible review. If cases come down it's good, if they stay as they are it'll extend. This is what managing the disease looks like. We are not going back to March.

Gerry Hatrick · 28-08-2020 10:17AM

mloc123 wrote: »

That's life...

Maybe the virus will knock 20 year's off everyone's life expectancy, at some point we will just accept that lower life expectancy is the 'new normal'.

:rolleyes:

Micky 32 · 28-08-2020 10:17AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

And what are your thoughts on the proof that even asympotmatic cases cause heart damage?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1299027542272172032?s=19

Amongst other viruses. Nothing new there, even the flu has been known to cause heart problems.The flu can even cause a heart attack. There have been cases where people discovered heart problems and never knew they had a virus. Thankfully the people i know fully recovered from Covid 19.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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