How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 10:32PM

Queried wrote: »

This part has me a bit irritated to be honest; "
Health officials would avoid a “wide, sweeping first brush approach” initially and that she “would not routinely expect” whole classes to be excluded if there is a single case found."

I'm sorry but maybe my experience is different based on our inability to implement proper social distancing measures but if there is a covid case in my class and the HSE or whoever it is tells us to continue class as normal it would be very irresponsible in my opinion. How could you not routinely expect to exclude a class where the kids are sitting beside each other like they were in March? By this do they mean they will not quarantine a class until they are tested? Or am I missing something? If I'm picking this statement up wrong please ignore the rest of my message :pac:
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That is my reading of what was released today. Nothing happens unless there is a positive test and even then the likelihood is that not all of their pod will be tested.

Not quite sure what happens at secondary.

Monumental · 27-08-2020 10:33PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Teachers deserve so many kudos now for just getting on with it, albeit being a bit nervous about the situation.

They have earned their praise.

Really! My kids have worked throughout covid since lock down began dealing with our elderly, kids and vulnerable people, I am so proud of them, as an immune compromised person they had to keep their distance from me , that's a small price to pay. Teachers are no different, they are just doing their job and facing the same conditions as many who have worked throughout this pandemic Good luck Teachers, my granddaughter went back today and her excitement was unreal

Queried · 27-08-2020 10:35PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That is my reading of what was released today. Nothing happens unless there is a positive test and even then the likelihood is that not all of their pod will be tested.

Not quite sure what happens at secondary.

To some extent can understand the former but the latter is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for clarifying, I can hardly believe it.

meeeeh · 27-08-2020 10:49PM

irishblessing wrote: »

People are saying they are refusing to send their kids back to school, not because of COVID but because of mandatory harmful vaccinations. :rolleyes:

Surely not even the live nasal vaccination could cause a child to be contagious and shedding for 28 days. Wtf would be the point of a vaccine then.

Why would you take this nonsense seriously?

Like majority of population I don't bother with flu vaccine but kids will be getting it this year. Unlike Covid kids are major flu spreaders although mine never had it and anything that lowers pressure on health service this year is probably a good thing. That being said not getting flu vaccine doesn't make you antivaxxer, nonsense about spreading flu for a momth does.

irishblessing · 27-08-2020 10:53PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Why would you take this nonsense seriously?

Like majority of population I don't bother with flu vaccine but kids will be getting it this year. Unlike Covid kids are major flu spreaders although mine never had it and anything that lowers pressure on health service this year is probably a good thing. That being said not getting flu vaccine doesn't make you antivaxxer, nonsense about spreading flu for a momth does.

I think you missed the part where I called them anti vax nutters, ha ha. Because of the 28 day contagious shedding claim. And that the government have made it mandatory for all school children. Obviously the flu vaccine isn't going to do this. Of course I don't take it seriously, I am just wondering where they are pulling this garbage from. No one can even produce a link. It's nuts that people are pulling their kids from school over this. Just bizarre...

mikeym · 27-08-2020 10:56PM

Passed by a Primary School this morning and there was a big crowd of parents waiting to drop their kids into school.

The gates were closed and everyone seemed to be bunched up making social distancing impossible.

Just an observation.

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 11:02PM

mikeym wrote: »

Passed by a Primary School this morning and there was a big crowd of parents waiting to drop their kids into school.

The gates were closed and everyone seemed to be bunched up making social distancing impossible.

Just an observation.

I passed a country school this afternoon and the scene which I described to my dad resembled a scrum. All in on top of each other.

I've given out about the approach being adopted by my school with very staggered drop offs and pickups but there won't be any scrum outside our gate with it.

Thrones of people outside a gate will be the reason why it spreads.

BonsaiKitten · 27-08-2020 11:07PM

"If you think back to your own school days, there were kids in your class that you saw a lot of and there were kids in your class you barely saw at all." - Professor Philip Nolan of NPHET.

This honestly has given me the rage all over again. What the hell kind of classroom was he in as a child? My lot are squished into the the room, they’ve no option but to see a lot of each other. Short of opening a hedge school, there’s nothing I can do about it.

It’s not the being back that gets me, it is stressful but I’m enjoying it. This lying and deliberately misrepresenting reality in our schools is what drives me mad.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1299043983281324035?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Beanybabog · 27-08-2020 11:09PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That is my reading of what was released today. Nothing happens unless there is a positive test and even then the likelihood is that not all of their pod will be tested.

Not quite sure what happens at secondary.

It’s pretty ridiculous not to test the whole class. Fine if after a few cases / clusters they can show that the pod system is working and it’s not spreading beyond that. But they don’t know that will work. The only way they could possibly know the measures are working is to test

irishblessing · 27-08-2020 11:20PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

It’s pretty ridiculous not to test the whole class. Fine if after a few cases / clusters they can show that the pod system is working and it’s not spreading beyond that. But they don’t know that will work. The only way they could possibly know the measures are working is to test

I don't think they want it to be known that the measures they opened the schools with didn't work...

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 11:21PM

All the talk and messaging today around reducing the need for testing when it comes to schools smacks of a money saving effort and/or they don't think the system could cope even though the other side of the mouth is saying they have capacity for 100,000 tests a day.

Queried · 27-08-2020 11:25PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

"If you think back to your own school days, there were kids in your class that you saw a lot of and there were kids in your class you barely saw at all." - Professor Philip Nolan of NPHET.

This honestly has given me the rage all over again. What the hell kind of classroom was he in as a child? My lot are squished into the the room, they’ve no option but to see a lot of each other. Short of opening a hedge school, there’s nothing I can do about it.

It’s not the being back that gets me, it is stressful but I’m enjoying it. This lying and deliberately misrepresenting reality in our schools is what drives me mad.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1299043983281324035?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Yes I agree, I'm happy to be back though it is stressful..I've really missed the classroom and my normal routine. However the refusal to actually acknowledge the reality of our classrooms in Ireland enrages me. It's insulting listening to them justifying their poor decision making by brushing over the truth and spouting pure lies. How is it possible to "barely see" someone you spend over 5 hours a day with in the same room? :rolleyes:

JP Liz V1 · 27-08-2020 11:26PM

Is there need for a whole family to drop their kid to school or creche, walking them in and then stopping chatting to other families

Sammy2012 · 27-08-2020 11:30PM

Not back to school until Monday but am happy to return. Our school has made a good effort to keep both students and staff safe now I've seen it in reality. There are some questionable ideas but common sense will how I will work around those. But after being off I am looking forward to going back. My principal is in the at risk group and to me is being a bit OTT about somethings also. But i will welcome my kids next week and start our new year off happily!

In relation to uniforms as a parent I wont be taking them straight off after school. Mine have 5 uniforms each so they can wear them all day! Save on my washing!!!

irishblessing · 27-08-2020 11:34PM

Interesting article from CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/opinions/coronavirus-children-school-kessler/index.html

"The thinking went something like this: In addition to children generally having very mild disease with Covid-19, they were also very unlikely to spread the virus.
This was an astonishing hypothesis because it ran contrary to everything we know about the transmission of traditional respiratory viruses, such as influenza and the common cold, which, of course, is often caused by a type of coronavirus. With these traditional viruses, children are recognized as significant drivers of transmission."

beggars_bush · 27-08-2020 11:37PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is there need for a whole family to drop their kid to school or creche, walking them in and then stopping chatting to other families

No.
But some parents think their child won't survive otherwise
It was the first day back. It should improve

smellyoldboot · 28-08-2020 12:00AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Interesting article from CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/opinions/coronavirus-children-school-kessler/index.html

"The thinking went something like this: In addition to children generally having very mild disease with Covid-19, they were also very unlikely to spread the virus.
This was an astonishing hypothesis because it ran contrary to everything we know about the transmission of traditional respiratory viruses, such as influenza and the common cold, which, of course, is often caused by a type of coronavirus. With these traditional viruses, children are recognized as significant drivers of transmission."

" Magic Virus Hypothesis" sums it up perfectly in fairness. Science of convenience.

John_Rambo · 28-08-2020 12:19AM

Household mixing is what the virus loves.

Stay in your pods, avoid elderly relations, wash your hands properly after any outside interaction. Stand back and distance. Use common sense.

markodaly · 28-08-2020 01:16AM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

" Magic Virus Hypothesis" sums it up perfectly in fairness. Science of convenience.

So, what is the actual science because all I have seen on this thread mostly are posters picking some tweets and posting them because it fits into their world view.

khalessi · 28-08-2020 07:03AM

Hopefull this works as the article is in NOrwegian

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/BR569e/undefined

It was Norway's biggest school outbreak. Infection hunters believe that the outbreak provides new insight into the role of children in the spread of infection.
40 cases could be traced to the school. The municipal superintendent in Lillestrøm believes that the outbreak at Sagdalen school calls into question what we know about children's role in the spread of infection.

Daniel Røed-Johansen
Daniel Røed-Johansen
Aug 26 2020 14:04
Last updated yesterday 07:16
The school holiday had just begun, but at Sagdalen school on Strømmen it was anything but a holiday. Instead, an intense hunt for infection took place.

The alarm went off on June 23. Then the municipal chief in Lillestrøm, Bettina C. Fossberg, was notified of the situation at the school.

Students from six classes were brought back from vacation. A separate test station was set up at the school. Here, most students, all employees and many in the local community were tested in two rounds.

Now, two months later, the municipality and the National Institute of Public Health have made a report on the outbreak. It provides deeper insight into several areas. One of them is the role of children in the spread of infection. The municipal chief believes that this can provide important knowledge about how schools should respond to the pandemic.

caveat emptor · 28-08-2020 07:11AM

Belgium is mandating that windows and doors be kept open. This is so important in the context of 30 people in a room all day. I didn't see this yesterday.

https://twitter.com/johnwenger9/status/1299218395259437057?s=20

Really good analysis and visualisation of indoor outbreaks.

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-06-17/an-analysis-of-three-covid-19-outbreaks-how-they-happened-and-how-they-can-be-avoided.html

Out of these 137 employees, 79 (57.6%) tested positive. The permanent contact within the same space over a prolonged period of time played a crucial role.

khalessi · 28-08-2020 07:18AM

Ventilation very important, this is what we are trying to do, but the windows only open a craic at max but better than nothing. Absolutely freezing yesterday but what can you do.

caveat emptor · 28-08-2020 07:25AM

Check out this video. If you can have two openings (window or door) on opposing sides of the room the air gets changed the fastest.
Only one open doesn't do much as it doesn't induce circulation as much. Even two windows on same side either end of room is better.
Yeah ours were open on dropoff but closed on pickup. The video below shows fans. It's so windy here that Mother Nature takes care of that for us.

It needs to come from the department. The science is very clear at this point. I don't want to have to tell a principal how he should run their school in context of once in a 100 year pandemic.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1281264040099094528?s=20

isup · 28-08-2020 08:14AM

My kid
My said on his first day back they excercised in class. Surely this is against guidelines and not safe ?

Sammy2012 · 28-08-2020 08:21AM

Can kids from 3rd to 6th class mix when they are outside? Principal wants kids to stay in pods for the whole day but I thought once they were outside they could mix with their bubble.

khalessi · 28-08-2020 08:23AM

Did I hear correctly last night that they might not test all children if there is a covid outbreak in class as children dont see everyone in their class?

Are there a lot of studies based on how children play in a pandemic when they are limited to just their class?

3xh · 28-08-2020 08:25AM

Here is a link to a study by, in her own words, a parent, a children’s doctor and a researcher. It was just published in the BMJ.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3249

It’s in-depth so if you don’t want to read it here is a shortened version from sky news but the key points are highlighted in it.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-childrens-chances-of-dying-from-covid-19-are-tiny-study-suggests-12057738

Ethnicity clearly plays a large role in the figures and Ireland has a small BAME demography. As does underlying health. 1% of those hospitalised died. But the number of hospitalisations was just 651. Out of the UK’s total under-19s population.

We need to stop swallowing and regurgitating the juicy Covid headline sound bites and accept reality.

wirelessdude01 · 28-08-2020 08:39AM

khalessi wrote: »

Did I hear correctly last night that they might not test all children if there is a covid outbreak in class as children dont see everyone in their class?

Are there a lot of studies based on how children play in a pandemic when they are limited to just their class?

Yes you heard correctly.

wirelessdude01 · 28-08-2020 08:40AM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Can kids from 3rd to 6th class mix when they are outside? Principal wants kids to stay in pods for the whole day but I thought once they were outside they could mix with their bubble.

Once they are in the one room then I think they can.

downthemiddle · 28-08-2020 08:40AM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Can kids from 3rd to 6th class mix when they are outside? Principal wants kids to stay in pods for the whole day but I thought once they were outside they could mix with their bubble.

Think of pods as groups and bubbles as classes. Pods must maintain 1 metre distance “where possible “ when indoors. Pods can mix with other pods from their bubble when outdoors. Bubbles should not mix.

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