Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 27-08-2020 10:20PM

jojofizzio wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly has aged a lot overnight...
And dunno about flattening the curve ,but he’s definitely flattened his head!

I always find a willingness to sneer someone about something they cannot do anything about, a good measure of a persons character

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 10:21PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I like the age and county breakdown, particularly the age , as it makes sense of the numbers for me .
But each to their own .

That data is easily available.

My point is not about that. Its that there's no point in saying 0 paitents discharged because the hub isn't up to date. Like I say HSE report will give it nightly accurate as of 2hrs ago.

If theres one thing data analysis has thought me its question everything, compare multiple sources

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 10:22PM

:pac:

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 10:22PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Luke O'Neill coming out against accepted speak on schools and handling of cases and contacts .

Fairly sure the stance on if a child has to go for a test then everyone in the house must restrict movements is a new one.

That could cause plenty of issues now for schools to start with. Potentially high absenteeism rates.

Yet the entire class wouldn't be considered a close contact? Doesn't make sense to me

ACitizenErased · 27-08-2020 10:26PM

Discharges:
Mullingar -1
Portlaoise -1
St. Vincent's -1
Tallaght -1
Wexford -1

ninebeanrows · 27-08-2020 10:27PM

Yea surely there is a good deal more we can talk about regarding Stephen Donnelly than the shape of his bloody head. Get a grip.

Let's talk about his brazen threat on the Irish people who dare try to live their lives.

We live in treacherous times.

If it was possible to crawl under a rock for 2 years and press play afterwards I think we would all do it.

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 10:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That data is easily available.

My point is not about that. Its that there's no point in saying 0 paitents discharged because the hub isn't up to date. Like I say HSE report will give it nightly accurate as of 2hrs ago.

If theres one thing data analysis has thought me its question everything, compare multiple sources

Fair enough , I respect that .
I try not to give numbers as I have no head for them and unfortunately am rarely accurate , unless I have the written word in front of me and copy and paste "/

speckle · 27-08-2020 10:36PM

Just had the weirdest experience went back to get notes on music for golden girl and somehow mixed up threads and started reading the one from 9 weeks ago like it was todays... surreal :eek:

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 10:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fairly sure the stance on if a child has to go for a test then everyone in the house must restrict movements is a new one.

That could cause plenty of issues now for schools to start with. Potentially high absenteeism rates.

Yet the entire class wouldn't be considered a close contact? Doesn't make sense to me

Yes.
Said today by Dr Nolan that they will leave it to Public Health but they would probably be working on the basis of students only having contact with on average about 3 to 5 people , because as he said that is all he would really remember from school .
No offence but some of these guys with high points who go on to be eminent doctors and scientists and mathematicians may not exactly be social butterflies , so I sincerely hope he is going off some more scientific data than his own memory of school ! Lol.

Also no mention of the consideration that this virus may be airborne or transmitted by aerosol as well and doubt if a lot of Irish classrooms are that big or sophisticated in their air filtration ?
Thinking , painted breeze block with old steamed up , aluminium windows , if they are lucky .

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 10:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Discharges:
Mullingar -1
Portlaoise -1
St. Vincent's -1
Tallaght -1
Wexford -1

Is that just now?

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 10:44PM

speckle wrote: »

Just had the weirdest experience went back to get notes on music for golden girl and somehow mixed up threads and started reading the one from 9 weeks ago like it was todays... surreal :eek:

Was it better or worse than today ?

ACitizenErased · 27-08-2020 10:49PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Is that just now?

Today yes

28 this morning
- 5 discharges
= 23
+ 7 new cases in hospital today
= 30 at 8pm tonight

JP Liz V1 · 27-08-2020 10:50PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yeah, what is it about the rebel county ?

It was repel city today for me

Queried · 27-08-2020 10:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fairly sure the stance on if a child has to go for a test then everyone in the house must restrict movements is a new one.

That could cause plenty of issues now for schools to start with. Potentially high absenteeism rates.

Yet the entire class wouldn't be considered a close contact? Doesn't make sense to me

It doesn't make sense to me either. I honestly don't know how, if a child receives a positive test, the rest of the class aren't considered close contacts. In most schools there is not appropriate distancing, bad ventilation and the only person wearing a mask is the teacher. It's the case in my classroom anyway. We are doing absolutely everything possible to keep the children safe and to help them feel at ease simultaneously. We can't do any more than we're doing because it's not physically possible but spending hours in the same poorly ventilated room should be enough cause to be considered a close contact. I was really happy to be back at work today but my faith in the system is dwindling daily.

speckle · 27-08-2020 10:51PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Was it better or worse than today ?

30 cases ish and 16 denotifications, the rest the normal, shorter posts though, only realised whe I went to reply to one of the posts:D
mmmh after about 3 pages lol

ongarite · 27-08-2020 10:56PM

COVID app has had an update on Android.
Shows some very good stats available now like cases per county, ICU and hospital admissions.

ax530 · 27-08-2020 10:58PM

Close contacts are notified when test positive. Same rule applies to a school I this is acceptable.
Vast majority of tests negative if class to stay at home every time a child in room gets tested they wouldn't be in school much all winter.
Less social distance at home most cases are between families so I think sensible full family to isolate until results back.
Key to all this testing process currently working well so max 2 days off unless negative.
If positive all close contacts must isolate 14 days and be tested. That would include all class and family.

Funsterdelux · 27-08-2020 10:59PM

Queried wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to me either. I honestly don't know how, if a child receives a positive test, the rest of the class aren't considered close contacts. In most schools there is not appropriate distancing, bad ventilation and the only person wearing a mask is the teacher. It's the case in my classroom anyway. We are doing absolutely everything possible to keep the children safe and to help them feel at ease simultaneously. We can't do any more than we're doing because it's not physically possible but spending hours in the same poorly ventilated room should be enough cause to be considered a close contact. I was really happy to be back at work today but my faith in the system is dwindling daily.

Maybe if our children worked in meat plants theyd get tested.

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 11:00PM

Queried wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to me either. I honestly don't know how, if a child receives a positive test, the rest of the class aren't considered close contacts. In most schools there is not appropriate distancing, bad ventilation and the only person wearing a mask is the teacher. It's the case in my classroom anyway. We are doing absolutely everything possible to keep the children safe and to help them feel at ease simultaneously. We can't do any more than we're doing because it's not physically possible but spending hours in the same poorly ventilated room should be enough cause to be considered a close contact. I was really happy to be back at work today but my faith in the system is dwindling daily.

Keep talking to the union and making sure parents are putting pressure on too .
It took us nearly 2 months to get the HSE to take us seriously about the lack of PPE looking after supposedly non Covid patients . Now look at the amount of healthcare workers infected , and it continues.
And they were blaming staff living and socialising together for outbreaks .
I can see already setting it up that children are being infected by wildly partying households , instead of the obvious transmission in badly ventilated schools .

Bureaucracy in this country defies all logic !

fritzelly · 27-08-2020 11:00PM

ongarite wrote: »

COVID app has had an update on Android.
Shows some very good stats available now like cases per county, ICU and hospital admissions.

That's nice but 2 days behind?

D.Q · 27-08-2020 11:01PM

Stephen Donnelly is fast becoming my least favourite politician, and that's really saying something.

Snaked his way into the job. Prioritising asserting himself in his new role over calm, clear messages to the public. And of course the trampoline.

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 11:03PM

ax530 wrote: »

Close contacts are notified when test positive. Same rule applies to a school I this is acceptable.
Vast majority of tests negative if class to stay at home every time a child in room gets tested they wouldn't be in school much all winter.
Less social distance at home most cases are between families so I think sensible full family to isolate until results back.
Key to all this testing process currently working well so max 2 days off unless negative.
If positive all close contacts must isolate 14 days and be tested. That would include all class and family.

So all class if positive ?
That's not what Dr Nolan said at the briefing tonight .
Said it was unlikely to be more than 3 to 5 contacts.

Oranage2 · 27-08-2020 11:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Today yes

28 this morning
- 5 discharges
= 23
+ 7 new cases in hospital today
= 30 at 8pm tonight

Hospitalization is creeping up, and like Glynn says there is no sign it's weakening. People that want a fully opened up economy remind me of flat earthers.

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 11:04PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Maybe if our children worked in meat plants theyd get tested.

Probably will be as cold with all the windows open !

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 11:09PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Keep talking to the union and making sure parents are putting pressure on too .
It took us nearly 2 months to get the HSE to take us seriously about the lack of PPE looking after supposedly non Covid patients . Now look at the amount of healthcare workers infected , and it continues.
And they were blaming staff living and socialising together for outbreaks .
I can see already setting it up that children are being infected by wildly partying households , instead of the obvious transmission in badly ventilated schools .

Bureaucracy in this country defies all logic !

They wouldn't be too far off on that one from my experience.

SeaBreezes · 27-08-2020 11:10PM

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1299080152975056902?s=19

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1299027542272172032?s=19

Queried · 27-08-2020 11:11PM

I have been onto the union and sent an email to my pal Norma but I will continue to put on the pressure as you've said.

I can understand not isolating a class when a child is sent for a test but if a pupil tests positive it is simply negligent to continue to bring the class where the case was detected into school instead of quarantining them. I may have taken it up wrong but this article https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/school-virus-outbreaks-likely-but-bespoke-responses-will-avoid-closures-hse-1.4340291?mode=amp gave me the impression that quarantining the rest of the class would not necessarily happen in the event of a detected case;

"Health officials would avoid a “wide, sweeping first brush approach” initially and that she “would not routinely expect” whole classes to be excluded if there is a single case found."

I don't know how this could actually be possible. Anyone in my classroom would have to be considered a close contact anyway. They are so out of touch of what it's really like in an Irish classroom. I love my job but one of the only downsides is how quickly illness spreads, I don't believe that the powers that be aren't aware of this. Sorry for the ranting, I just want to continue to work without worrying about the pupils in my care and myself catching this virus and it not being taken as seriously as it would be elsewhere.

Oranage2 · 27-08-2020 11:11PM

owlbethere wrote: »

They wouldn't be too far off on that one from my experience.

Didn't they say the cases in the German schools were all brought in from home with little to none school transmission.

Makes you wonder

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 11:14PM

owlbethere wrote: »

They wouldn't be too far off on that one from my experience.

Would be a minority of households there now who would be , imo .

Away With The Fairies · 27-08-2020 11:17PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Didn't they say the cases in the German schools were all brought in from home with little to none school transmission.

Makes you wonder

Are they just blaming homes though? I still don't believe a virus that is affecting humans but somehow knows if you're a kid.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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