How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Brock Turnpike · 27-08-2020 12:44PM

average_runner wrote: »

"Majority of kids standing outside the school did not have masks on, and seemed to be little to no social distancing"

I'll ask you the same question again as you don't seem to be grasping it. It might be easier for you to answer this time as you've quoted what I said.

Where did I say they should be social distancing?

JDD · 27-08-2020 12:47PM

What's not known but I can make an educated guess is the the conditions during the winter which enable the spread of flu are the same ones that will allow covid to be spread easier

Sensibly we all know this to be true. While Covid infections in ireland dropped dramatically over the summer months, that was more to do with the restrictions then environmental factors. But that being said, you would assume that infections would naturally rise in the winter months as that is when we all pack ourselves into indoor situations that are not well ventilated.

So assuming that, if we were to let Covid run its course, there would be a large spike in infections in children in November/December, similar to the flu. And in fact, we should have a larger spike as at least with the flu about 15% of the population get vaccinated.

What is hoped will be different about this year is the environment outside of school. I know that I pick up infections from being packed onto the Luas twice a day (sometimes the condensation drips from the ceiling in winter), and then into work with 100 people on my floor, and into a packed coffee shop or deli at lunchtime. Of course there are parents who have to take public transport and have to go to work this winter, but a large chunk of us won't be.

And then with all other interactions - much less people flying, much more mask wearing, no crowds at concerts or sports - that all has to have a knock on effect on infections in children. Which means less children bringing viruses, including Covid, into school.

I totally get it that, once it gets in, it'll spread quickish because there really hasn't been a fundamental change on how school is run. But hopefully it will be a localised outbreak that can be controlled by closing individual schools for a week or two, rather than mass closures. That seems to me to be the most likely scenario, rather than massive increases infections in the community with corresponding outbreaks in schools.

irishblessing · 27-08-2020 12:55PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'll ask you the same question again as you don't seem to be grasping it. It might be easier for you to answer this time as you've quoted what I said.

Where did I say they should be social distancing?

I think we're all probably stressed and easily pushed over the edge these days (myself included!). In fairness, since you noted that there was no social distancing and describing things that are a problem at the school, the inference is there that they should have been social distancing. Is that an incorrect read according to what you were saying about the lack of social distancing?

seamus · 27-08-2020 01:00PM

JDD wrote: »

What is hoped will be different about this year is the environment outside of school. I know that I pick up infections from being packed onto the Luas twice a day (sometimes the condensation drips from the ceiling in winter), and then into work with 100 people on my floor, and into a packed coffee shop or deli at lunchtime. Of course there are parents who have to take public transport and have to go to work this winter, but a large chunk of us won't be.

Yep. And not packing into pubs at the weekend, and sucking it up and meeting cousins at the park in the freezing cold rather than everyone into a play centre or someone's house, etc.

Just like all of the other measures; it is known that cases will rise, but with the measures in place their ability to spread out of control should be limited.

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2020 01:03PM

That's it, dress for the weather, don't stay indoors this winter, the people who staid outside the most in the Spanish Flu had the best outcomes.

PowerToWait · 27-08-2020 01:26PM

average_runner wrote: »

They are really trying to make it a positive learning environment for them. Fair play to them

I was chatting to a teacher acquaintance just yesterday. She reckons 'teaching' or 'learning' will be down the list of priorities and much less effective than normal. Apparently it'll be mostly classes as I remember them. Read page x and do exercise y, take down these notes etc.

JimmyVik · 27-08-2020 02:03PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There's more chance getting COVID on a trip to Dublin than there is in Portugal.

Thats what he said

isup · 27-08-2020 02:49PM

JDD wrote: »

Our school is the same average-runner.

They sent around a video yesterday of the new layout in the yard and where everyone was to go when they got in the school gate. There was a kid-friendly powerpoint last week with the changes. All the teachers had rainbow masks and bright clothes on. My five year old skipped in the gate and barely turned around to say goodbye, and she was the one who was most nervous last night and this morning.

And while the parents were sort of idiots congregating at the fence and just beyond the school gate, the principal was brilliant at getting everyone to move on with his loudspeaker. All in all they did the best they could have done.

Alot of the parents seem to be like that. Fair play to the principal

BattleCorp · 27-08-2020 02:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It will take everyone a few days to get it right- hopefully schools will adjust approach based on how well parents followed instructions or change processes where not working- while there are likely idiots just not following protocols laid down hopefully these will be called out over coming days and made conform

Parents are idiots. Just passed my local primary school and it looks like a scrum involving about 50 parents all jammed into the entrance gate to the school.

Absolutely impossible to walk through that gate without having to shove someone out of your way.

Idiots. How hard is it to stay 2m away from people outdoors?

PCros · 27-08-2020 02:59PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Parents are idiots. Just passed my local primary school and it looks like a scrum involving about 50 parents all jammed into the entrance gate to the school.

Absolutely impossible to walk through that gate without having to shove someone out of your way.

Idiots. How hard is it to stay 2m away from people outdoors?

The school kids will be fine but it will be these scrummages each day that will cause outbreaks amongst adults! :rolleyes:

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 03:00PM

PCros wrote: »

The school kids will be fine but it will be these scrummages each day that will cause outbreaks amongst adults! :rolleyes:

Exactly and then the kids will bring it back into school.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-08-2020 03:01PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I was chatting to a teacher acquaintance just yesterday. She reckons 'teaching' or 'learning' will be down the list of priorities and much less effective than normal. Apparently it'll be mostly classes as I remember them. Read page x and do exercise y, take down these notes etc.

Can be more inventive than that with

Cud use PPoint, video, Kahoot, quizlet, mentimeter etc

Students can access these from their phones in the room

Walking the room might not now be possible but plenty ways to engage them in the room

average_runner · 27-08-2020 03:06PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'll ask you the same question again as you don't seem to be grasping it. It might be easier for you to answer this time as you've quoted what I said.

Where did I say they should be social distancing?

So why mention social distancing at all in your post then?

average_runner · 27-08-2020 03:08PM

PCros wrote: »

The school kids will be fine but it will be these scrummages each day that will cause outbreaks amongst adults! :rolleyes:

Can't stop stupid people sadly

PCros · 27-08-2020 03:10PM

average_runner wrote: »

Can't stop stupid people sadly

I'm already dreading going tomorrow just in case similar happens.

However, knowing the principle I think she'll be out moving people on fairly sharply.

limnam · 27-08-2020 03:11PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Idiots. How hard is it to stay 2m away from people outdoors?

Because nonsensical yapping about their mundane lives is difficult in the wind at 2m.

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 03:13PM

limnam wrote: »

Because nonsensical yapping about their mundane lives is difficult in the wind at 2m.

And they'd probably only been speaking at an underage match the night before!!

harr · 27-08-2020 03:31PM

A lot better at the school this evening.. no waiting around parents were moved on fairly quick and no waiting at school gates.
I take it that its recommended that School kids change from uniforms once home and not be wearing them at home or out playing after school ?

limnam · 27-08-2020 03:36PM

harr wrote: »

I take it that its recommended that School kids change from uniforms once home and not be wearing them at home or out playing after school ?

I would have thought for most this would be normal practice anyway.

What's the concern? Is there much info on the virus living on clothing?

SusanC10 · 27-08-2020 03:43PM

harr wrote: »

I take it that its recommended that School kids change from uniforms once home and not be wearing them at home or out playing after school ?

I always got our Kids to change after school anyway.

seamus · 27-08-2020 03:44PM

limnam wrote: »

I would have thought for most this would be normal practice anyway.

What's the concern? Is there much info on the virus living on clothing?

Since this began, some people have taken on some hospital practices a bit too seriously.

More specifically the idea that one would change clothes when you go from one environment to another, as you would when transitioning into or out of a surgical area in a hospital.

I keep hearing clothing coming up, but as far as I can see there has been no official recommendation from anyone, anywhere, for children or adults to change their clothes after being at school or work.

Some principals have gone as far as to make this official school policy despite the lack of any specific rationale for it.

JDD · 27-08-2020 03:44PM

The virus can live on clothing like it can on any other surface.

However NPHET have come out and said that the vast majority of infections are person to person airborne infections, rather than picking it up off a surface.

I'm not changing uniform every day. If the skirt is clean, it goes back on them the next day. If you really wanted to, you could keep Monday's uniform off them until Thursday, and if it's clean they can put it back on. The virus only lives for 48 hours on clothing.

I think this is a bit paranoid though.

SusanC10 · 27-08-2020 03:46PM

We both (before I became SAHM) and the Kids always changed out of work clothes and uniforms when we came home. Much more comfortable.

Edited to add - I am not washing items like skirts and trousers every day. Shirts and blouses/tops, yes.

limnam · 27-08-2020 03:47PM

JDD wrote: »

The virus can live on clothing like it can on any other surface.

However NPHET have come out and said that the vast majority of infections are person to person airborne infections, rather than picking it up off a surface.

I'm not changing uniform every day. If the skirt is clean, it goes back on them the next day. If you really wanted to, you could keep Monday's uniform off them until Thursday, and if it's clean they can put it back on. The virus only lives for 48 hours on clothing.

I think this is a bit paranoid though.

Interesting,

I thought it was only specific types of surfaces it could live on.

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 03:54PM

harr wrote: »

A lot better at the school this evening.. no waiting around parents were moved on fairly quick and no waiting at school gates.
I take it that its recommended that School kids change from uniforms once home and not be wearing them at home or out playing after school ?

Can never understand why they are ever left on anyway. Even as an adult I can never wait to get my 'school clothes' off.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-08-2020 03:54PM

Was in with my GP with one of my kids a few weeks back and he said he srios his clothes everyday when he gets home and washes them. I'll follow what he says

harr · 27-08-2020 04:09PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Can never understand why they are ever left on anyway. Even as an adult I can never wait to get my 'school clothes' off.

Same as ours here they can’t wait to change into something a bit more comfortable , but I see a lot of kids who would wear same uniform all day in school and out playing after school and probably the same uniform all week .. our school has said that uniforms don’t need to washed everyday.

wirelessdude01 · 27-08-2020 04:11PM

harr wrote: »

.. our school has said that uniforms don’t need to washed everyday.

I haven't heard of one school that has. Only place I ever saw it being mentioned was on here.

seamus · 27-08-2020 04:12PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Was in with my GP with one of my kids a few weeks back and he said he srios his clothes everyday when he gets home and washes them. I'll follow what he says

A GP sees and touches sick people all day. S/he may even carry out injections and other procedures wearing those clothes. I'd wash my clothes too.

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong to wash the clothes - if it makes you more comfortable, that's cool - but the risk is absolutely negligible for the amount of effort it is.

Bobtheman · 27-08-2020 04:26PM

We are lab rats pure and simple. But on we plough.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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