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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #5042
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    combat14 wrote: »
    IRELAND will have 1,000 cases of Covid 19 per day within eight weeks if current trends continue and schools reopen, a top virologist has warned.

    University College Cork Professor Gerry Killeen believes schools shouldn't yet reopen as Covid-19 incidence numbers are ten times higher than they were in June.

    He states the country faces 10,000 cases of covid a day if we dont change how we are dealing with the virus

    "Even without reopening the schools we are already in trouble.

    "The tragedy is if we maintained what we were doing all the way up to the end of June we could be reopening the schools safely today.

    "That is what is killing me. This is all very predictable."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5828698/coronavirus-in-ireland-warning-thousand-cases-day-schools-reopen/amp/

    He also wants zero covid in Ireland, lockdown for years so and hope someone somewhere has a blank cheque for us.


  • #5043
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Do I get this right, you haven't stepped out of the house from middle of March to middle of July, did only 1km walks and got shopping delivered? And most people did the same?

    Stop trolling...

    Most people were doing roughly the same, but not everyone could or choose get shopping delivered so going to the shop etc was a very necessary trip. This is what the whole county should have been doing.

    What breaches of the lockdown were you doing since what I said, which was just respecting the lockdown, was so outlandish that you call it trolling.
    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    He also wants zero covid in Ireland, lockdown for years so and hope someone somewhere has a blank cheque for us.

    We should be aiming for zero covid, it would be achievable but judging by your posts you would rather just do want you want so it won’t suit you. Sure you won’t even use the vaccine which should be legally required when it does come out.

    If we aimed for zero covid from the start we would likely be much more open as a county now, opening schools would be much less risky etc the only thing would be we would have to keep airports and ports shut which would be perfectly doable.


  • #5044
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    He also wants zero covid in Ireland, lockdown for years so and hope someone somewhere has a blank cheque for us.

    Stop telling lies, a zero covid strategy is hard and short. Could even be pleasant if approached properly

    If we don't do it, we live for a long long time with restrictions.


  • #5045
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »
    the vaccine which should be legally required when it does come out.

    **** that, I'm not a lab rat for a a rushed vaccine and I am young enough to have very good odds of surviving covid if I got it. Risk/reward is off.

    I agree with everything else though.


  • #5046
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »
    Most people were doing roughly the same, but not everyone could or choose get shopping delivered so going to the shop etc was a very necessary trip. This is what the whole county should have been doing.

    What breaches of the lockdown were you doing since what I said, which was just respecting the lockdown, was so outlandish that you call it trolling.



    We should be aiming for zero covid, it would be achievable but judging by your posts you would rather just do want you want so it won’t suit you. Sure you won’t even use the vaccine which should be legally required when it does come out.

    If we aimed for zero covid from the start we would likely be much more open as a county now, opening schools would be much less risky etc the only thing would be we would have to keep airports and ports shut which would be perfectly doable.

    Even if we wore masks from the start and monitored temps at the airport we would probably have been ok with no lockdown. At a relatively good place now to kill it off from, that chance is slipping.


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  • #5047
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    i_surge wrote: »
    Even if we wore masks from the start and monitored temps at the airport we would probably have been ok with no lockdown. At a relatively good place now to kill it off from, that chance is slipping.

    And with that, i_surge disappeared into the night, never to be seen again.

    The end.

    Goodnight readers,


  • #5048
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Blondini wrote: »
    And with that, i_surge disappeared into the night, never to be seen again.

    The end.

    Goodnight readers,

    He finally decided to strike himself.


  • #5049
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »
    Most people were doing roughly the same, but not everyone could or choose get shopping delivered so going to the shop etc was a very necessary trip. This is what the whole county should have been doing.

    What breaches of the lockdown were you doing since what I said, which was just respecting the lockdown, was so outlandish that you call it trolling..

    Well for starters I was in hairdressers at the beginning of July when it was legal to do so. I was working before because we were allowed to open and so on. I didn't say I broke any rules and I genuinely didn't. At least not intentionally. And the same was for majority of people but don't bs me with 1 km around the house in July.


  • #5050
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Best of luck to all of the teachers, parents and kids going back. Really not sure how it's going to work but we are told we must try. Stay safe and keep the windows open. I'm sending mine but first sign of trouble I'm pulling them.

    It's important to challenge anything that doesn't look right for the sake of everyone. Thank you

    https://twitter.com/lore33x/status/1298739602568736768?s=20


  • #5051
    Gentleman Off The Pitch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Best of luck to all of the teachers, parents and kids going back. Really not sure how it's going to work but we are told we must try. Stay safe and keep the windows open. I'm sending mine but first sign of trouble I'm pulling them.

    It's important to challenge anything that doesn't look right for the sake of everyone. Thank you

    https://twitter.com/lore33x/status/1298739602568736768?s=20

    I don't get this, why do people, including experts, consistently neglect to consider one of the most important variables when extrapolating from how schools went in other countries, i.e. classroom size


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  • #5052
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    So dropped kids off at school , all well laid out with each bubble having a different start time. Kids all had to sanitise hands and stand on markers and teachers brought them to class rooms in small groups.
    Only problem was the lashing rain so things had to be done that bit quicker.
    Only issue I had was the usual parents standing outside the school in groups have their morning cigarette even after numerous emails from school saying this was not to happen.. the principal did move them along but unfair people doing this as he was extremely busy as it was.


  • #5053
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »
    I don't get this, why do people, including experts, consistently neglect to consider one of the most important variables when extrapolating from how schools went in other countries, i.e. classroom size

    Yeah eye opening. Cognitive dissonance is real and dangerous. We've learned this week that 80+ prominent politicians, business people and judges can't count. Will have to add Paediatricians to that list. Put on the green jersey time.:confused:


  • #5054
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1298890045454254081?s=09

    For the anti-maskers


  • #5055
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    harr wrote: »
    So dropped kids off at school , all well laid out with each bubble having a different start time. Kids all had to sanitise hands and stand on markers and teachers brought them to class rooms in small groups.
    Only problem was the lashing rain so things had to be done that bit quicker.
    Only issue I had was the usual parents standing outside the school in groups have their morning cigarette even after numerous emails from school saying this was not to happen.. the principal did move them along but unfair people doing this as he was extremely busy as it was.

    Humans are inherently selfish.


  • #5056
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1298890045454254081?s=09

    For the anti-maskers

    The report is more about physical distancing once you dig past the picture. It's not peer reviewed, it does not make any claim that masks are a good idea, it's not a real world test and points that out a few times.
    What we know about masks in the real world https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
    Ireland from what I can see is the only county in the world to mandate masks for schools in non lockdown areas.
    Masks have their place but not to the extent our government have mandated for them.


  • #5057
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The report is more about physical distancing once you dig past the picture. It's not peer reviewed, it does not make any claim that masks are a good idea, it's not a real world test and points that out a few times.
    What we know about masks in the real world https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
    Ireland from what I can see is the only county in the world to mandate masks for schools in non lockdown areas.
    Masks have their place but not to the extent our government have mandated for them.

    Perhaps the idea is to prevent a lockdown in the first place. And protect vulnerable students and staff as absolutely no provisions have been made for them.


  • #5058
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    All the very best wishes to all the teachers and students who are back this week and next. The first day back was always a tough day back but this is a whole different league.


  • #5059
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Well for starters I was in hairdressers at the beginning of July when it was legal to do so. I was working before because we were allowed to open and so on. I didn't say I broke any rules and I genuinely didn't. At least not intentionally. And the same was for majority of people but don't bs me with 1 km around the house in July.

    I said nearly 4 months, lockdown was around or a little over 3.5 months so obviously into July there was a little more movement.


  • #5060
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    And now we play the waiting game...


  • #5061
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The report is more about physical distancing once you dig past the picture. It's not peer reviewed, it does not make any claim that masks are a good idea, it's not a real world test and points that out a few times.
    What we know about masks in the real world https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
    Ireland from what I can see is the only county in the world to mandate masks for schools in non lockdown areas.
    Masks have their place but not to the extent our government have mandated for them.

    That's not true. There are regional differences in Germany but they have masks, France has masks fir over 11s, Italy is making up their mind now, Slovenia gas masks... Ireland is actually relatively relaxed about masks in comparison to central Europe.


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  • #5062
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Perhaps the idea is to prevent a lockdown in the first place. And protect vulnerable students and staff as absolutely no provisions have been made for them.

    The biggest thing we can do for them is make space available where they can practice distancing, hand washing and good ventilation, without those three key things being implemented masks won't be much if any use, in an uncontrolled use environment.
    I'll lay any money students will even borrow used masks from other students if it means not being sent home for not having one in class.
    Teachers where mandatory masks have been introduced will soon see the amount of misuse and should raise their concerns. No mask is better than any mask if not being used correctly, the studies I linked to above point towards that.

    Any way enough about masks it'll become apparent what's wrong with the current strategy soon enough.


  • #5063
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    meeeeh wrote: »
    That's not true. There are regional differences in Germany but they have masks, France has masks fir over 11s, Italy is making up their mind now, Slovenia gas masks... Ireland is actually relatively relaxed about masks in comparison to central Europe.

    National Gas masks? :D you serious?


  • #5064
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    And now we play the waiting game...

    When do we relax 21 days? Pubs open?


  • #5065
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    And now we play the waiting game...

    Waiting for, fist school case, first pod sent home, first bubble sent home, first school closure?


  • #5066
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Waiting for, fist school case, first pod sent home, first bubble sent home, first school closure?

    It probably shouldn't be reported on, it'll cause national panic.


  • #5067
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »
    I said nearly 4 months, lockdown was around or a little over 3.5 months so obviously into July there was a little more movement.

    3km or 5km limits were in force for less time and not all restrictions were around that long. I actually don't care what you did or didn't do but I was out and about not breaking the rules and I can tell you that so were many others. You can make exaggerated statements all you want but don't make claims which are obvious bs to anyone who can actually count.


  • #5068
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Drove past local primary school this morning as parents were dropping kids off. Majority of kids standing outside the school did not have masks on, and seemed to be little to no social distancing. Hopefully they were all keeping their masks for once they went inside.


  • #5069
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Very disappointed with both the media and the school principle involved in pushing that hyperbolic news news story yesterday about using a damp garden shed as an isolation room for kids. A pure bs media op that does nobody any good.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #5070
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The biggest thing we can do for them is make space available where they can practice distancing, hand washing and good ventilation, without those three key things being implemented masks won't be much if any use, in an uncontrolled use environment.
    I'll lay any money students will even borrow used masks from other students if it means not being sent home for not having one in class.
    Teachers where mandatory masks have been introduced will soon see the amount of misuse and should raise their concerns. No mask is better than any mask if not being used correctly, the studies I linked to above point towards that.

    Any way enough about masks it'll become apparent what's wrong with the current strategy soon enough.

    Yeah, I know that it's only one tool in the box and we need a whole kit to be safest. In most schools SD is impossible so we'll have to reduce where we can, which may not be much according to some studies. It's a sh*t sandwich, which is why I believe that not implementing a hybrid/blended learning plan to reduce class sizes and shield the vulnerable is a massive fail on the government's part.

    I doubt students will borrow one, they'd have to be thick as anything to do that and besides the school should have disposable on hand. What happens when someone soils the one they had, sneezed in it and there's snot everywhere, etc, or someone becomes sick and needs a new mask to be isolated with. Surely they must have extra's or is that yet another oversight. Teachers will have to correct those not wearing it right, just the way it is.


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  • #5071
    ShaShaBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    Brock Turnpike wrote: »
    Drove past local primary school this morning as parents were dropping kids off. Majority of kids standing outside the school did not have masks on, and seemed to be little to no social distancing. Hopefully they were all keeping their masks for once they went inside.

    Primary school children wouldnt be wearing masks?


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