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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4982
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    harr wrote: »
    I can imagine the class room will be a lot more controlled with social distancing , and current seating plans have them at over the meter apart. I wouldn’t really expect him to wear the mask all day. I imagine at break times they will be mixing a bit more.

    I think ours are wearing masks on yard (by choice - we haven't suggested it to them) as they are more likely to come into contact with other classes and teachers then. Also I did notice that any time a child put a mask on, none of the others so much as blinked at it. No teasing or judging going on. Obviously I can't say every class is like that but I didn't see any of it.


  • #4983
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    To summarise this thread in the last 24 hours
    There are those who are pro mask and those who are anti mask.
    There are those who are pro vaccine and those who are anti vaccine.
    There are those who want a particular sanitiser used and apparently we don’t have an approved list of products.
    There are those who are pro shed and those who are anti shed. There are also those who want to hide in the shed.
    There’s Marko who is pro mask but anti teachers. Perhaps if teachers hide behind masks he’ll be happy.
    There are those who believe that FG have left government.
    There are those with identity issues who cannot remember what their alter ego said.
    The sooner the first of September rolls around and certain individuals return to the conspiracy theories thread the better.

    Just on the topic if it being impossible to please everyone, my friend is a teacher in the US and their school is staying closed this autumn but she was telling me they have one group of parents marching up and down outside the school calling for the school to open and another group with placards saying to keep it shut. She said it's quite nasty with parents who were previously friends and whose children would be friends shouting abuse at each other. At least we're not that bad yet !


  • #4984
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    kingbhome wrote: »
    It's very relevant when were talking about my kids and toxins that could be very harmful to young children. You need to learn more about some products instead of just thinking they are safe.

    Can you not give them their own hand sanitizer and use it as they walk in ?


  • #4985
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Just on the topic if it being impossible to please everyone, my friend is a teacher in the US and their school is staying closed this autumn but she was telling me they have one group of parents marching up and down outside the school calling for the school to open and another group with placards saying to keep it shut. She said it's quite nasty with parents who were previously friends and whose children would be friends shouting abuse at each other. At least we're not that bad yet !

    This style of madness is coming here amazingly fast. Who knows where it will end.

    Maybe all the patriots here will get us a good "strongman" leader who wouldn't be such a ponce to restrict civil liberties over no deaths. Sure what could go wrong?


  • #4986
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I am very disappointed with that school with the isolation room in a shed . Could no one have put a lick of paint on it and paint a rainbow and a few ladybird or something . If they had no time I am sure a parent would have done it for them .


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  • #4987
    Birdy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Birdy


    My daughter's primary school are expecting us to store all her books and copies at home. They will be going back and forth to school. Is this safe?


  • #4988
    deliege
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭deliege


    i_surge wrote: »
    I think you are codding yourself.

    Risk of transmission is much higher indoors.

    Indeed.

    Very interesting study in the BMJ recently - look at the colour-coded chart re. risks of transmission in different situations...

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223


  • #4989
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Birdy wrote: »
    My daughter's primary school are expecting us to store all her books and copies at home. They will be going back and forth to school. Is this safe?

    Seems a bit counterproductive if they're trying to reduce transmission? And it would be a lot of organisation for the teacher. Many schools are doing the opposite and keeping all books/materials in school.

    Btw I am DELIGHTED that I have won the homework debate in my school - for now - and apart from reading and tables, no homework is being sent home because of Coronavirus! You have to find that silver lining where you can.


  • #4990
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    kingbhome wrote: »
    It's very relevant when were talking about my kids and toxins that could be very harmful to young children. You need to learn more about some products instead of just thinking they are safe.

    Can you provide a list of the products with toxins please so people will know what to look out for? Can you also provide the scientific evidence that shows they are unsafe please?


  • #4991
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Can you provide a list of the products with toxins please so people will know what to look out for? Can you also provide the scientific evidence that shows they are unsafe please?

    Literally hundreds of hand sanitiser products have been recalled for this exact reason. When demand is so high it can lead to improvisation and poor quality control.

    Methanol and 1-propanol to name a few questionable ingredients.

    Methanol is a toxic substance when absorbed through skin or ingested, can be fatal. 1-propanol can cause central nervous system depression that can also be fatal.

    Always use your own and kids do the same, at least you know what's in it. Don't blindly assume what's in schools and shops is OK for use, especially when it comes to small kids.


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  • #4992
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,651 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Our kids school has a no homework at home policy for the first month.
    They will have study at school akin to homework during the month then the plan is to use Seesaw like before to set homework assignments.
    All seems very sensible, very impressed with the planning gone into it all (not just homework).
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  • #4993
    Birdy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Birdy


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Seems a bit counterproductive if they're trying to reduce transmission? And it would be a lot of organisation for the teacher. Many schools are doing the opposite and keeping all books/materials in school.

    Btw I am DELIGHTED that I have won the homework debate in my school - for now - and apart from reading and tables, no homework is being sent home because of Coronavirus! You have to find that silver lining where you can.

    I haven't heard of any other school using this method which concerns me.

    I don't think any primary schools are giving homework in September because they don't want to send books home.


  • #4994
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    i_surge wrote: »
    Make your own, distilled from organic home grown artisan spuds or something?

    If you are that worried about "toxins", the virus should be a much greater concern.

    Yeah, take the piss out a parent who's concerned (rightly so) about what's going to possibly be used by her kids several times a day.

    Maybe educate yourself around what's actually been found to be contained in some of these products, yes actual toxins that are dangerous.

    Parents should source and supply their own so at least they are safe in the knowledge of what's being used.


  • #4995
    Birdy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Birdy


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Yeah, take the piss out a parent who's concerned (rightly so) about what's going to possibly be used by her kids several times a day.

    Maybe educate yourself around what's actually been found to be contained in some of these products, yes actual toxins that are dangerous.

    Parents should source and supply their own so at least they are safe in the knowledge of what's being used.

    Schools are telling parents not to bring their own because the school is providing it.


  • #4996
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    To summarise this thread in the last 24 hours
    There are those who are pro mask and those who are anti mask.
    There are those who are pro vaccine and those who are anti vaccine.
    There are those who want a particular sanitiser used and apparently we don’t have an approved list of products.
    There are those who are pro shed and those who are anti shed. There are also those who want to hide in the shed.
    There’s Marko who is pro mask but anti teachers. Perhaps if teachers hide behind masks he’ll be happy.
    There are those who believe that FG have left government.
    There are those with identity issues who cannot remember what their alter ego said.
    The sooner the first of September rolls around and certain individuals return to the conspiracy theories thread the better.

    Don't forget the crazy Russian lady who called any dying teachers "suckers"...


  • #4997
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Yeah, take the piss out a parent who's concerned (rightly so) about what's going to possibly be used by her kids several times a day.

    Maybe educate yourself around what's actually been found to be contained in some of these products, yes actual toxins that are dangerous.

    Parents should source and supply their own so at least they are safe in the knowledge of what's being used.

    You don’t want your children wearing masks. You don’t want your children getting the flu vaccine or the Covid vaccine when one becomes available. You don’t want your children to use the sanitiser provided by the school in case they poison them. I can see now why you have been so critical of teachers.


  • #4998
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    kingbhome wrote: »
    It's very relevant when were talking about my kids and toxins that could be very harmful to young children. You need to learn more about some products instead of just thinking they are safe.

    Ah would you stop spreading rubbish, it's dangerous, just like googling science words you don't understand and copying them onto a forum to scare people.This isn't an issue in Ireland thanks to strict EU regulations. Same way half the make-up sold in american can't be sold here. Don't frighten people, there is no methanol in any sanitiser in Ireland.

    To be very clear, all hand sanitisers in Ireland are registered Biocides and have to be fully authorized by the EU before sale.

    It's ethanol and glycerine and whatever smells your having. We got a nice lavender one in the school with a bit of eucalyptus....very nice and relaxing.

    Iso prop is better for labs, less flammable.


  • #4999
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    Birdy wrote: »
    Schools are telling parents not to bring their own because the school is providing it.

    Our schools are saying kids to bring their own and their own wipes for cleaning desk and chair. Which is absolutely fine by me, at least I can choose what they use.


  • #5000
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Blondini wrote: »
    Don't forget the crazy Russian lady who called any dying teachers "suckers"...

    Well I hope you don't teach geography. Or history.


  • #5001
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Birdy wrote: »
    I haven't heard of any other school using this method which concerns me.

    I don't think any primary schools are giving homework in September because they don't want to send books home.

    Most are doing it to reduce transmission yes. I've mixed feelings on that tbh, I don't believe it will make much difference. I just can't understand why a school would make kids keep books at home and bring them in though. Seems like the worst possible situation for them!

    I have been in Camp No Homework (or at least Camp Less Homework) for years...I am hoping that the rest of the school see the light on it too. It only took a pandemic to make it happen like :pac:


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  • #5002
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Ah would you stop spreading rubbish, it's dangerous, just like googling science words you don't understand and copying them onto a forum to scare people.This isn't an issue in Ireland thanks to strict EU regulations. Same way half the make-up sold in american can't be sold here. Don't frighten people, there is no methanol in any sanitiser in Ireland.

    To be very clear, all hand sanitisers in Ireland are registered Biocides and have to be fully authorized by the EU before sale.

    It's ethanol and glycerine and whatever smells your having. We got a nice lavender one in the school with a bit of eucalyptus....very nice and relaxing.

    Iso prop is better for labs, less flammable.

    Suggest you Google hand sanitiser recall then because there's already hundreds of brands deemed unsafe for use.


  • #5003
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Our schools are saying kids to bring their own and their own wipes for cleaning desk and chair. Fwhich is absolutely fine by me, at least I can choose what they use.

    These are the regulations that are used in Ireland via the EU to ensure hand sanitiser is safe.... Cosmetics Product Regulation (EU 1223/2009) or Biocidal Product Regulation (BPR; EU 528/2012).

    Basically all you can buy in Ireland is ethanol or isopropanol based gels at a specific concentration....perfectly safe. Don't confuse American complacency around regulations with the general rigor of the EU. It muddies waters and frightens people for no reason


  • #5004
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Suggest you Google hand sanitiser recall then because there's already hundreds of brands deemed unsafe for use.

    Do the FDA or Health Canada have responsibility in our jurisdiction?


  • #5005
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    Suggest you Google hand sanitiser recall then because there's already hundreds of brands deemed unsafe for use.

    Yes, in America.....by the FDA....who should have better Biocide laws but a lot of decent scientists have been arguing that for years unsuccessfully due to the power of pharmaceutical lobby groups in the States.

    The FDA is american not European.....different country......different laws.


  • #5006
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    These are the regulations that are used in Ireland via the EU to ensure hand sanitiser is safe.... Cosmetics Product Regulation (EU 1223/2009) or Biocidal Product Regulation (BPR; EU 528/2012).

    Basically all you can buy in Ireland is ethanol or isopropanol based gels at a specific concentration....perfectly safe. Don't confuse American complacency around regulations with the general rigor of the EU. It muddies waters and frightens people for no reason

    People should be allowed to ask what's going to be used in their school without being mocked ( by someone who isn't a parent or teacher no less).

    I don't have that problem because we're being told to supply our own but not all schools will be the same and parents will have these questions.


  • #5007
    Gentleman Off The Pitch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    deliege wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Very interesting study in the BMJ recently - look at the colour-coded chart re. risks of transmission in different situations...

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

    There must be some mistake, the Department of Education and Skills' "COVID-19 Response Plan for the safe and sustainable reopening of Primary and
    Special Schools" clearly states, Remember that the virus is spread by droplets and is not airborne so physical separation is enough to reduce the risk of spread to others even if they are in the same room;


  • #5008
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Do the FDA or Health Canada have responsibility in our jurisdiction?

    It doesn't change the fact that it's a perfectly reasonable question for a parent to ask.


  • #5009
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I think school supplying hand sanitiser is much better. What do you do if kid forgets hand sanitiser? Send them home?


  • #5010
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    People should be allowed to ask what's going to be used in their school without being mocked ( by someone who isn't a parent or teacher no less).

    I don't have that problem because we're being told to supply our own but not all schools will be the same and parents will have these questions.

    There’s clearly a black market in smuggling unapproved hand sanitiser into schools that most of us were unaware of.


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  • #5011
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I think school supplying hand sanitiser is much better. What do you do if kid forgets hand sanitiser? Send them home?

    Soap and water, shown to be as good if not better option anyway.

    Hand sanitiser is OK for out and about but handwashing should be done when the option is there.


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