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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4952
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It allows them to manage the return in a more staggered way. It's still good planning anyway and leaves a possible window for later on. It also gets them back into the swing of things faster. It's not as if it's cutting into anyone's holidays!

    Nothing to do with a staggered return at primary level. We’re back tomorrow to allow for a week long midterm in February and to finish a few days before the end of June. It was decided before Covid ever became an issue.


  • #4953
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It allows them to manage the return in a more staggered way. It's still good planning anyway and leaves a possible window for later on. It also gets them back into the swing of things faster. It's not as if it's cutting into anyone's holidays!


    It had nothing to do with planning or staggered




    Some schools go back earlier than others, so they have a longer midterm etc.


    For example our kids school gives the Tuesday off after every bank hol and a extra week off in May. But midterm is only 2 days.


  • #4954
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    NIMAN wrote: »
    An expert said this?
    Now that is the culture of fear being taken to new levels.

    Absolute nonsense of the highest order. I know people will say what do I know compared to a professor, but anyone think we are going to have 110 dead kids from covid caught in schools?

    Well, we shut the schools down and sports and clubs and even said to not bring them shopping with us. We're about to see what happens when children are mixing fully. I think it's a valid statement but one I hope we never have to see.


  • #4955
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    i_surge wrote: »
    Where does 4/200,000 come from?

    https://www.fhi.no/globalassets/dokumenterfiler/rapporter/2020/should-individuals-in-the-community-without-respiratory-symptoms-wear-facemasks-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19-report-2020.pdf


  • #4956
    kingbhome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭kingbhome


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    100% agree

    Your not anti vax btw

    I find it very very strange how anyone thinks its healthy to start yearly flu vaccines at 5 years old till 85 years old

    Immune systems dont come from a bottle, they are built


    Are they talking about yearly flu jabs?


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  • #4957
    kingbhome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭kingbhome


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    For those interested, there seemed to have been a great day today.
    Youngest had to santiize her hands on the way out the door and parents waiting a designated distance from the door also had to be spaced out properly. She didn't have much to say only she painted with her hands and coloured in a robot and it was so much fun.
    Eldest mentioned that the yard has changed and has been sectioned off with different play things in each section and she played in the first one today, but will be in the second one tomorrow. Seems this will allow for a rotation and cleaning properly. She also mentioned that she sanitized her hands quite a few times throughout the day and when she took her cardigan off when it was warm, she was made put it directly into her bag.

    Do you know which brand of sanitizer they put on your child?


  • #4958
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    For those interested, there seemed to have been a great day today.
    Youngest had to santiize her hands on the way out the door and parents waiting a designated distance from the door also had to be spaced out properly. She didn't have much to say only she painted with her hands and coloured in a robot and it was so much fun.
    Eldest mentioned that the yard has changed and has been sectioned off with different play things in each section and she played in the first one today, but will be in the second one tomorrow. Seems this will allow for a rotation and cleaning properly. She also mentioned that she sanitized her hands quite a few times throughout the day and when she took her cardigan off when it was warm, she was made put it directly into her bag.

    Thanks for the Feedback.


  • #4959
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    https://www.fhi.no/globalassets/dokumenterfiler/rapporter/2020/should-individuals-in-the-community-without-respiratory-symptoms-wear-facemasks-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19-report-2020.pdf

    Norway Recommends Face Masks In Oslo For First Time Since Coronavirus Pandemic Began

    That's a neck breaking U-Turn.


  • #4960
    ShaShaBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    kingbhome wrote: »
    Do you know which brand of sanitizer they put on your child?

    It's a bulk-provided one made up by the local pharmacy, so not branded. I've used it myself and am quite content. It's only for exiting and entering the building. They have their own in their ziplock bags that is to be used during class.


  • #4961
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    kingbhome wrote: »
    Do you know which brand of sanitizer they put on your child?

    Excuse my ignorance but why is this relevant as long as it is an approved product?


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  • #4962
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,063 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance but why is this relevant as long as it is an approved product?

    There is no lost of approved products I'm aware of, they've banned over 150 types of santaiser in the US.


  • #4963
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Any children with masks/visors on?
    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Thanks for reporting back - which Class do you teach ? Are any Kids in the school wearing Masks ? (I know it is not mandatory in Primary)

    A couple are wearing them in lessons yes and a lot have masks for journeys in/out of school as well as yard (which I thought was interesting). Any wearing masks are taking them out independently and putting them on. Vast majority had their own sanitiser, wipes and tissues too.

    I teach 3rd but it's a young 3rd - and the teachers here would probably agree that they seem so small at the start of the year compared to the big lumps you sent on to the next class...which I say with great affection for my big lumps, of course :pac:

    The kids are very good about it all, certainly better than many adults. I did feel sad when I was running through the many changes we had to make with them but they seemed on board with it all. No tears/anxieties either which surprised me but that might become apparent as they settle in.


  • #4964
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There is no lost of approved products I'm aware of, they've banned over 150 types of santaiser in the US.

    So there are no approved products?


  • #4965
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    A couple are wearing them in lessons yes and a lot have masks for journeys in/out of school as well as yard (which I thought was interesting). Any wearing masks are taking them out independently and putting them on. Vast majority had their own sanitiser, wipes and tissues too.

    I teach 3rd but it's a young 3rd - and the teachers here would probably agree that they seem so small at the start of the year compared to the big lumps you sent on to the next class...which I say with great affection for my big lumps, of course :pac:

    The kids are very good about it all, certainly better than many adults. I did feel sad when I was running through the many changes we had to make with them but they seemed on board with it all. No tears/anxieties either which surprised me but that might become apparent as they settle in.

    Glad to here some were wearing masks, our son returns tomorrow and someone at home has a weak immune system so we were debating if he should wear a mask in and out of school and out in yard.
    We really didn’t want him to be the only one wearing one and having him stand out. I might put one in a ziplock and put it into his bag anyway and see if more are wearing them.


  • #4966
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    harr wrote: »
    Glad to here some were wearing masks, our son returns tomorrow and someone at home has a weak immune system so we were debating if he should wear a mask in and out of school and out in yard.
    We really didn’t want him to be the only one wearing one and having him stand out. I might put one in a ziplock and put it into his bag anyway and see if more are wearing them.

    Why wear it for the outdoor stuff but not the indoor stuff? The opposite would be much more logical.


  • #4967
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Well I had the visit to school and it was just as I feared. A few lines painted in corridors but the class layout is exactly the same as any other year. What made it worse is I counted enough tables and chairs for 21 max children in the class. There will be 29 children supposed to be in that room tomorrow so they will squeeze in another couple of tables in our absence most likely.

    Any fears and concerns we put forward we're frankly ignored, we flat out said we would not be sending ours in for at least the first few weeks. Our child was in attendance with us and pretty much all the focus was on repeatedly asking her was she excited for tomorrow, we'll see you tomorrow etc despite us telling them multiple times "tomorrow" is not happening.

    Very weird almost Orwellian vibe from it. To top it all off there is a designated "kiss and go" area that was at the time of my visit, one day before school start, obstructed with scaffolding, construction materials and vehicles, reducing said area to about roughly 1.5m/4feet wide of an opening. This is the only entrance available for use for 700+ students and parents.

    This is turning into the greatest ****show in the history of the state.


  • #4968
    morebabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭morebabies


    "Speaking to the Oireachtas special committee on Covid-19 Paul Reid, chief executive of the HSE, said that the goal both at the height of the Covid pandemic and at the current time was to achieve capacity of 100,000 tests per week, rather than to actually perform that number.

    “Serial testing provides people with a lot of reassurance, but it’s a very significant cost,” Mr Reid said."

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038104.html

    However, if the school sends a child with "low grade symptoms" to the isolation area to be sent home, they won't allow them back until they either produce a negative test result or are symptom free. Which will also add to a high rate of absenteeism. As Susanc10 asked earlier, what do you do if your children have a constant cough for example, due to asthma, the Dr can't say for sure without a test that they don't have coronavirus, and neither can the parents be requesting tests every 3 weeks or so.


  • #4969
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    i_surge wrote: »
    Why wear it for the outdoor stuff but not the indoor stuff? The opposite would be much more logical.

    I can imagine the class room will be a lot more controlled with social distancing , and current seating plans have them at over the meter apart. I wouldn’t really expect him to wear the mask all day. I imagine at break times they will be mixing a bit more.


  • #4970
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    harr wrote: »
    I can imagine the class room will be a lot more controlled with social distancing , and current seating plans have them at over the meter apart. I wouldn’t really expect him to wear the mask all day. I imagine at break times they will be mixing a bit more.

    I think you are codding yourself.

    Risk of transmission is much higher indoors.


  • #4971
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    LC plan for November. Starts 16th

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0826/1161484-leaving-cert-education/


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  • #4972
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    To summarise this thread in the last 24 hours
    There are those who are pro mask and those who are anti mask.
    There are those who are pro vaccine and those who are anti vaccine.
    There are those who want a particular sanitiser used and apparently we don’t have an approved list of products.
    There are those who are pro shed and those who are anti shed. There are also those who want to hide in the shed.
    There’s Marko who is pro mask but anti teachers. Perhaps if teachers hide behind masks he’ll be happy.
    There are those who believe that FG have left government.
    There are those with identity issues who cannot remember what their alter ego said.
    The sooner the first of September rolls around and certain individuals return to the conspiracy theories thread the better.


  • #4973
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    Well I had the visit to school and it was just as I feared. A few lines painted in corridors but the class layout is exactly the same as any other year. What made it worse is I counted enough tables and chairs for 21 max children in the class. There will be 29 children supposed to be in that room tomorrow so they will squeeze in another couple of tables in our absence most likely.

    Any fears and concerns we put forward we're frankly ignored, we flat out said we would not be sending ours in for at least the first few weeks. Our child was in attendance with us and pretty much all the focus was on repeatedly asking her was she excited for tomorrow, we'll see you tomorrow etc despite us telling them multiple times "tomorrow" is not happening.

    Very weird almost Orwellian vibe from it. To top it all off there is a designated "kiss and go" area that was at the time of my visit, one day before school start, obstructed with scaffolding, construction materials and vehicles, reducing said area to about roughly 1.5m/4feet wide of an opening. This is the only entrance available for use for 700+ students and parents.

    This is turning into the greatest ****show in the history of the state.

    Why do ‘the visit’ If you are not sending them back? Would it not be better to see how things go in reality through feedback from others or do they visit’ we they are back up and running.

    Also I’m sure getting rid of the construction gear this evening won’t take much, give them a chance like!

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #4974
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I believe that Education is important, yes, but not at the expense of the life of an old or vulnerable person.
    And I think that the way the schools are being reopened here in Ireland is too much all at once - a phased approach would be better.

    I totally agree with you .. .

    One of my children's schools (just there) has decided its own phased opening which is different from the younger part of the school. 2 of my children will be back to school one week after the other and even that will be a phased situation. Excellent work by our local schools to try and to do it responsibly.


  • #4975
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Why do ‘the visit’ If you ate not sending them back? Would it not be better to see how things go in reality through feedback from others or do they visit’ we they are back up and running.

    Also I’m sure getting rid of the construction gear this evening won’t take much, give them a chance like!

    I wanted to see the "big changes" the principal has personally advertised in multiple documents circulated to parents in the last few weeks as I suspected they were window dressing and bs. Turns out I was right.

    This is just back full pedal to normal with only the most basic and "cost effective" measures possible taken. Herd immunity the Irish way with added stupidity for effect.


  • #4976
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    I wanted to see the "big changes" the principal has personally advertised in multiple documents circulated to parents in the last few weeks as I suspected they were window dressing and bs. Turns out I was right.

    This is just back full pedal to normal with only the most basic and "cost effective" measures possible taken. Herd immunity the Irish way with added stupidity for effect.

    There's only so much they can do really and I am actually glad to hear that it all seemed normal and kids were being asked usual things at the start of the school year.

    I'm assuming that was primary school where realistically there will be very minimal changes for the most part.

    I imagine for the principals and other staff that it's been a very stressful few weeks. I think credit due to them for trying their best to meet the guidelines with what they have available (except for the likes of the shed set up as mentioned, that's taking it too far).


  • #4977
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    There's only so much they can do really and I am actually glad to hear that it all seemed normal and kids were being asked usual things at the start of the school year.

    I'm assuming that was primary school where realistically there will be very minimal changes for the most part.

    I imagine for the principals and other staff that it's been a very stressful few weeks. I think credit due to them for trying their best to meet the guidelines.

    You mentioned a few times how you just weren't that arsed.

    Too much effort to keep up with guidelines that were changing like the wind, something to that effect.


  • #4978
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    I wanted to see the "big changes" the principal has personally advertised in multiple documents circulated to parents in the last few weeks as I suspected they were window dressing and bs. Turns out I was right.

    This is just back full pedal to normal with only the most basic and "cost effective" measures possible taken. Herd immunity the Irish way with added stupidity for effect.
    Isn't there a whopping load of money for schools if they need or want it?


  • #4979
    kingbhome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭kingbhome


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance but why is this relevant as long as it is an approved product?


    It's very relevant when were talking about my kids and toxins that could be very harmful to young children. You need to learn more about some products instead of just thinking they are safe.


  • #4980
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    164 cases confirmed today let's hope the next few weeks are better


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  • #4981
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    kingbhome wrote: »
    It's very relevant when were talking about my kids and toxins that could be very harmful to young children. You need to learn more about some products instead of just thinking they are safe.

    Make your own, distilled from organic home grown artisan spuds or something?

    If you are that worried about "toxins", the virus should be a much greater concern.


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