How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

limnam · 26-08-2020 01:54PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

I keep saying this, but statistically there is more chance of a child being killed in a car crash than dying of this disease, yet people don't want to send there kids to school because its too dangerous.

OK if there is vulnerable people at home or a child with pre existing medical conditions I can understand that.

I don't think parents are overly concerned about the kids been killed.

Or at least that's not something I've come across. It's probably more with them bringing it back into families

Boggles · 26-08-2020 01:55PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

just won't be getting a flu vaccine for them when I've decided that I don't deem it necessary.

Why did you ask me a question you all ready knew the answer to?

Anyway all young children are high risk of catching and transmitting flu.

It will continue to be the case with Anti Vax parents gorging at the trough of complete ignorance.

s1ippy · 26-08-2020 01:56PM

I work in the disability sector where I'm not sure of the figures, but every single person I work with gets vaccinated. Imagine if someone with a disability got sick and died because you were responsible for them and didn't do that one tiny thing to protect them. Many of them can't get vaccinations because they have health conditions.

I can't account for the ignorance of whoever it is in the healthcare system that doesn't get vaccinated. You can get many menial jobs in healthcare without even having a junior cert.

Thread getting very off topic with anti vaxxers, start your own thread, this one is about schools or does everything have to be about you and your right to insist on taking up the same space as people who are considerate enough to protect others.

meeeeh · 26-08-2020 02:00PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I work in the disability sector where I'm not sure of the figures, but every single person I work with gets vaccinated. Imagine if someone with a disability got sick and died because you were responsible for them and didn't do that one tiny thing to protect them. Many of them can't get vaccinations because they have health conditions.

I can't account for the ignorance of whoever it is in the healthcare system that doesn't get vaccinated. You can get many menial jobs in healthcare without even having a junior cert.

Thread getting very off topic with anti vaxxers, start your own thread, this one is about schools or does everything have to be about you and your right to insist on taking up the same space as people who are considerate enough to protect others.

Well maybe you should inform yourself better. About half your colleagues are anti vaxxers according to you (will you claim they all have low education). Did you say anything to them or do you just throw around nonsense allegations here because it suits you and then accuse others of derailing the thread.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30956315.html

firemansam4 · 26-08-2020 02:03PM

SusanC10 wrote:

I am not worried about either of my healthy kids dying but for us it means that we will need to stay away from our vulnerable extended family incl my Mum who is their only Grandparent.

Yes I am in the same position with my parents. I dont like it but I believe it is very important to get our children back to school, can they really miss several more months or maybe another year or longer?

Sunday Sunday · 26-08-2020 02:06PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Many of them can't get vaccinations because they have health conditions.

I would have thought they'd be prioritised for flu vaccines.

I think the main contraindications are being under 6 months, allergy to the ingredients or previous bad reactions to the vaccine.

Are there other conditions where they should definitely not get the vaccine?

limnam · 26-08-2020 02:07PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

can they really miss several more months or maybe another year or longer?

The answer to that question has no baring on whether it can be done better or not though.

These are important times/years for kids but I don't like putting that up against the worth of someone else's life. It shouldn't be either or.

NIMAN · 26-08-2020 02:12PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

I was listening to the Stand podcast as regards back to school. He had on Tomas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology in Trinity College. He spoke very well, didn't seem biased and explained a lot of things. One thing he said about the schools reopening is that we have to be prepared to lose 111 children under the age of 18 as that is what the numbers dictate will happen if we get outbreaks across the country.

An expert said this?
Now that is the culture of fear being taken to new levels.

Absolute nonsense of the highest order. I know people will say what do I know compared to a professor, but anyone think we are going to have 110 dead kids from covid caught in schools?

SusanC10 · 26-08-2020 02:12PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Yes I am in the same position with my parents. I dont like it but I believe it is very important to get our children back to school, can they really miss several more months or maybe another year or longer?

I believe that Education is important, yes, but not at the expense of the life of an old or vulnerable person.
And I think that the way the schools are being reopened here in Ireland is too much all at once - a phased approach would be better.

Boggles · 26-08-2020 02:28PM

Children displaying low-grade symptoms in school will not be tested for Covid-19

Why would they be tested? The advice is send them to school if they have symptoms.

Now if they worked in a meat factory they are getting tested if they have symptoms or not, repeatedly.

This will end well.

PCros · 26-08-2020 02:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why would they be tested? The advice is send them to school if they have symptoms.

Speaking as a parent I would not follow that advice.

Like anything across society I think 99% of parents are inherently decent, so I don't think parents would send a kid in with a fever. But then again there are a minority who will unfortunately.

limnam · 26-08-2020 02:39PM

Boggles wrote: »

Children displaying low-grade symptoms in school will not be tested for Covid-19

Why would they be tested? The advice is send them to school if they have symptoms.

Now if they worked in a meat factory they are getting tested if they have symptoms or not, repeatedly.

This will end well.

RTE mentioned earlier they're looking into bringing in saliva testing into schools.

josip · 26-08-2020 02:45PM

PCros wrote: »

Speaking as a parent I would not follow that advice.

Like anything across society I think 99% of parents are inherently decent, so I don't think parents would send a kid in with a fever. But then again there are a minority who will unfortunately.

I'd mainly agree with you, but in my experience, the minority percentage is more 10-20% than 1%

JDD · 26-08-2020 02:46PM

I'll be getting the flu vaccine this year, as will my three children. It's never really been at the forefront of my mind before, and lets face it, who like needles. But given all the other things I have done or not done this year in order to protect vulnerable people from Covid, this seems like a fairly minor additional step that - if lots more people take the vaccine this year - could end up saving a lot of lives.

My only hesitation is that the flu vaccine each year is based on what the top six common flu's circulated in the winter season in the southern hemisphere. So whatever flu's circulated in South America and Australia over the last two months is what I'd be innoculated against in October. The only thing is, there's been hardly any flu in SA and Aus this winter, probably because Covid prevention measures. It is likely to turn out the same way here, and even if it doesn't, the composition of the flu vaccine this year will be based on limited information.

But all the same, we'll do anyway.

My older two are back to primary school and after-school tomorrow. They have to take in all their books and leave them there. Then they have to take in two pencil cases - one for school and one for after-school, and leave them there too. So we need another set of stationary for home. They have staggered start times, and will be dropped at the school gate rather than at the particular classroom door. So no parents allowed in the yard or anything in the morning. Strangely, we're allowed in for the pick up.

The school have been good. I think they've done everything they can given not really much has changed. They did a great powerpoint and video for the kids to show them how they'll get to their classrooms from the school gate and the headmaster is very calm and practical.

The kids are alternately excited and not looking forward to it. They've had a fairly easy summer - playdates and late bedtimes and lots more screentime then they'd normally be allowed in a normal summer. The next two weeks are going to be a shock for them!

solerina · 26-08-2020 02:52PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Has anyone's Kids started back yet ?
Or any Teachers here had their first day with Kids in ?

Schools only need to go back next Tuesday to fit in the required number of days....I can’t understand the rush back...especially this year, but quite a good few do seem to be back already

is_that_so · 26-08-2020 02:54PM

solerina wrote: »

Schools only need to go back next Tuesday to fit in the required number of days....I can’t understand the rush back...especially this year, but quite a good few do seem to be back already

No harm having a cushion in case outbreaks force closures.

solerina · 26-08-2020 02:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No harm having a cushion in case outbreaks force closures.

Closures will feature online learning so they will not be coming out of these ‘banked’ days...going in early is done to take random days off during the school year.

wirelessdude01 · 26-08-2020 02:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No harm having a cushion in case outbreaks force closures.

Nothing to do with having a cushion.

is_that_so · 26-08-2020 03:01PM

solerina wrote: »

Closures will feature online learning so they will not be coming out of these ‘banked’ days...going in early is done to take random days off during the school year.

It allows them to manage the return in a more staggered way. It's still good planning anyway and leaves a possible window for later on. It also gets them back into the swing of things faster. It's not as if it's cutting into anyone's holidays!

is_that_so · 26-08-2020 03:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Nothing to do with having a cushion.

As an essay that's a complete fail!:D

i_surge · 26-08-2020 03:03PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's the risk to begin with? What reduction in that risk are you expecting? If your going to mandate something it needs to be evidence based and have a clear outcome.
From what little data we have on real world masking it prevents 4 out of 200,000 infections, if those 200,000 wear a mask for a week.
Who's going to be checking masks are going to be washed safely every night, are fitted correctly, are of the proper material to prevent covid? Are teachers going to be doing this?

Concentrate on controllable measures, like proper hand washing after using the toilets, before eating, physical contact. Open the windows, turn up the heating.
I know our school says we have to check their tempature before they go to school. Implement proper clear measures people can follow and the risk will be minimal.

Where does 4/200,000 come from?

meeeeh · 26-08-2020 03:14PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

I believe that Education is important, yes, but not at the expense of the life of an old or vulnerable person.
And I think that the way the schools are being reopened here in Ireland is too much all at once - a phased approach would be better.

What price should kids pay to protect the elderly? I'm in favour of different health measures but there comes time when you can't expect the generations of young people whose future will be affected by this the most anyway to put life on stop for elderly.

Younger generations are affected on job front, they often have to put on hold their dating/love life, their housing situation is precarious and now the kids should sacrifice their education. Yes solidarity is needed but that solidarity should go both ways. Now we need solidarity with the younger ones and the elderly and those of us who are settled in our lives should make sure that our actions won't affect our kid's future.

Jaded Walker · 26-08-2020 03:14PM

NIMAN wrote: »

An expert said this?
Now that is the culture of fear being taken to new levels.

Absolute nonsense of the highest order. I know people will say what do I know compared to a professor, but anyone think we are going to have 110 dead kids from covid caught in schools?

Go listen to the podcast. He comes across very well. He doesn't appear to be taking sides, just speaking matter of factly.

SusanC10 · 26-08-2020 03:28PM

meeeeh wrote: »

What price should kids pay to protect the elderly? I'm in favour of different health measures but there comes time when you can't expect the generations of young people whose future will be affected by this the most anyway to put life on stop for elderly.

Younger generations are affected on job front, they often have to put on hold their dating/love life, their housing situation is precarious and now the kids should sacrifice their education. Yes solidarity is needed but that solidarity should go both ways. Now we need solidarity with the younger ones and the elderly and those of us who are settled in our lives should make sure that our actions won't affect our kid's future.

I suppose I believe that Education can be caught up on later if necessary. Not ideal granted. But an elderly or vulnerable person who dies can't be brought back to life.
We have both in our family and as I said earlier, our Kids have only 1 Grandparent left. We'd like her to be around for a while more.

SusanC10 · 26-08-2020 03:29PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

Go listen to the podcast. He comes across very well. He doesn't appear to be taking sides, just speaking matter of factly.

Which show was he on again ?

iguana · 26-08-2020 03:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

What are "cons" for the flu vaccine?

It's a bit sting-y!:(

Murple · 26-08-2020 03:32PM

meeeeh wrote: »

What price should kids pay to protect the elderly? I'm in favour of different health measures but there comes time when you can't expect the generations of young people whose future will be affected by this the most anyway to put life on stop for elderly.

Younger generations are affected on job front, they often have to put on hold their dating/love life, their housing situation is precarious and now the kids should sacrifice their education. Yes solidarity is needed but that solidarity should go both ways. Now we need solidarity with the younger ones and the elderly and those of us who are settled in our lives should make sure that our actions won't affect our kid's future.

How many sacrifices have the older generation made in raising their children and contributing to the country over their lives? Many have lived a far more difficult life than younger generations would cope with and have managed with a lot less than younger generations feel entitled to as a right.
And sorry, but saying younger generations have had to put on hold their dating/ loves lives- where’s my violin!

Warbeastrior · 26-08-2020 03:36PM

The lack of compassion for the elderly and vulnerable from a number of people since thus all started is very sad to see.

is_that_so · 26-08-2020 03:36PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

Go listen to the podcast. He comes across very well. He doesn't appear to be taking sides, just speaking matter of factly.

Many of them sound reasonable and convincing, especially with the mostly unfounded predictions. He's a COVID-Zero zealot and is pushing that very hard. He had a piece on it in the IT earlier in the week.

ShaShaBear · 26-08-2020 03:39PM

For those interested, there seemed to have been a great day today.
Youngest had to santiize her hands on the way out the door and parents waiting a designated distance from the door also had to be spaced out properly. She didn't have much to say only she painted with her hands and coloured in a robot and it was so much fun.
Eldest mentioned that the yard has changed and has been sectioned off with different play things in each section and she played in the first one today, but will be in the second one tomorrow. Seems this will allow for a rotation and cleaning properly. She also mentioned that she sanitized her hands quite a few times throughout the day and when she took her cardigan off when it was warm, she was made put it directly into her bag.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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