Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Bishop of hope · 25-08-2020 03:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Rules only apply to SF funerals seems to be the point being made.

Not so and you know it.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 03:36PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not so and you know it.

We all ignored the obvious breaches of guidelines at the State funeral...everyone, Until there was a SF funeral that is.

piplip87 · 25-08-2020 03:45PM

If Storey was cremated then why was there a large gathering in Miltown ?

We should stop calling this part a funeral. It was a political rally after a funeral.

If SF reps as they said stuck to guidelines then why attend Miltown ?

SF organised a political rally after a funeral.

There is a major problem with the political class in this country .

Hypocrisy, disregard for public health and down right lying. Jaysus we needa few new parties

jm08 · 25-08-2020 04:16PM

Superfoods wrote: »

Did Ireland have an outbreak of Covid at Michael Collins funeral? no

Bobby Storey was no Michael Collins and its an awful insult to put the in the same sentance to be honest. But that is a different matter.

They were both intelligence officers of the IRA! Both very clever operators. I suggest you read up about ''The Squad'' before you decide that Michael Collins wasn't a ruthless operator who would have had a problem killing anyone, male or female if they got in the way of achiveing an Irish Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squad_(Irish_Republican_Army_unit)

The fact is the funernal happened during a lock down or during guidelines not to travel etc. So Sinn Fein should not have attended.

From what I hear, the travel restrictions were lifted the day before Bobby Storey's funeral. What you mean is that Mary Lou or Pearse Doherty should not have travelled.

If they wanted to attend then Michelle who is the representative in the North should have attended alone to pass on Sinn Fein condolences,.

He was one of Gerry Adams' best friends! Should he not have been allowed. What you seem to forget is that this man was very popular in West Belfast and people were going to come out and pay homage anyway.

Anything else is wrong and should have been stopped by Mary Lou. Not have Mary Lou standing with all of them breaking the guidelines. It is terrible leadership no matter what angle you try to put it. She is the one saying she want to lead Ireland, will she lead it as long as it suits her?

Mary Lou already had Covid so she wasn't a risk of either spreading it or getting it.

jm08 · 25-08-2020 04:18PM

piplip87 wrote: »

If Storey was cremated then why was there a large gathering in Miltown ?

We should stop calling this part a funeral. It was a political rally after a funeral.

If SF reps as they said stuck to guidelines then why attend Miltown ?

SF organised a political rally after a funeral.

There is a major problem with the political class in this country .

Hypocrisy, disregard for public health and down right lying. Jaysus we needa few new parties

Its part of republican custom to have an oration at the graveside. From what I've seen of that on youtube, at least social distancing rules seemed to be in operation and it was in the open.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 04:27PM

jm08 wrote: »

They were both intelligence officers of the IRA! Both very clever operators. I suggest you read up about ''The Squad'' before you decide that Michael Collins wasn't a ruthless operator who would have had a problem killing anyone, male or female if they got in the way of achiveing an Irish Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squad_(Irish_Republican_Army_unit)

From what I hear, the travel restrictions were lifted the day before Bobby Storey's funeral. What you mean is that Mary Lou or Pearse Doherty should not have travelled.

He was one of Gerry Adams' best friends! Should he not have been allowed. What you seem to forget is that this man was very popular in West Belfast and people were going to come out and pay homage anyway.

Mary Lou already had Covid so she wasn't a risk of either spreading it or getting it.

The PIRA and the IRA are completely different. I know Sinn Fein can't seem to tell the difference but thats the truth

Who said once you have Covid you can't spread it? that was an old wives tale which was debunked along with the "I had it once I am grand now"

Why are you talking about Gerry Adams, I thought he was no longer part of Sinn Fein? I am talking about Mary Lou etc.

jm08 · 25-08-2020 07:19PM

Superfoods wrote: »

The PIRA and the IRA are completely different. I know Sinn Fein can't seem to tell the difference but thats the truth,

How are they different? Both were ruthless organisations. FFS, the Pro-treaty Gov. executed 80+ of their former comrades (including Erskine Childers). The Brits were not as ruthless as that!

Who said once you have Covid you can't spread it? that was an old wives tale which was debunked along with the "I had it once I am grand now"

Any scientific evidence such as people getting it twice or people who were thought to be clear, passing it on to someone else?

Why are you talking about Gerry Adams, I thought he was no longer part of Sinn Fein? I am talking about Mary Lou etc.

Because it was stated by someone that Michelle O'Neill should have been the only Sinn Fein person to attend!

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 07:21PM

jm08 wrote: »

Because it was stated by someone that Michelle O'Neill should have been the only Sinn Fein person to attend!

Gerry Adams is not Sinn Fein or so we are told. So what difference does it make if he attended or not.

SafeSurfer · 25-08-2020 09:42PM

jm08 wrote: »

How are they different? Both were ruthless organisations. FFS, the Pro-treaty Gov. executed 80+ of their former comrades (including Erskine Childers). The Brits were not as ruthless as that!

Any scientific evidence such as people getting it twice or people who were thought to be clear, passing it on to someone else?

Because it was stated by someone that Michelle O'Neill should have been the only Sinn Fein person to attend!

Yes.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1161037/

Also pretty bizarre asking how the IRA and PIRA are any different when earlier in the thread you asked posters if they understood the difference between the PIRA and RIRA.

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 09:50PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1161037/

Also pretty bizarre asking how the IRA and PIRA are any different when earlier in the thread you asked posters if they understood the difference between the PIRA and RIRA.

Stop posting the truth, they can’t handle it.

jm08 · 25-08-2020 10:57PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1161037/

The first (and only) reinfection was reported yesterday!

Also pretty bizarre asking how the IRA and PIRA are any different when earlier in the thread you asked posters if they understood the difference between the PIRA and RIRA.

They can all claim heritage from the IRA. Most of them changed though to a peaceful route. Thats the difference between the PIRA and RIRA - one has chosen the political route now and one hasn't.

Irishman80 · 26-08-2020 07:12AM

Their friends went around killing and maiming innocent people in the North and now they won't provide a compensation scheme for these people.

These innocent people "colluded" with the British and helped fight Britain's "dirty war" in the North. What type of a piece of s--t would say that?

https://www.thejournal.ie/sdlp-calls-on-sinn-fein-to-urgently-address-mlas-comments-about-pensions-for-injured-troubles-victims-5186258-Aug2020/

JohnnyFlash · 26-08-2020 07:20AM

Irishman80 wrote: »

Their friends went around killing and maiming innocent people in the North and now they won't provide a compensation scheme for these people.

These innocent people "colluded" with the British and helped fight Britain's "dirty war" in the North. What type of a piece of s--t would say that?

https://www.thejournal.ie/sdlp-calls-on-sinn-fein-to-urgently-address-mlas-comments-about-pensions-for-injured-troubles-victims-5186258-Aug2020/

Pretty grim stuff from Anderson, but what would you expect? It’s more of the hierarchy of victimhood that’s so ingrained in their culture. Some fücking sociopathic killer from the PIRA ranks is deemed more suitable for compensation in their eyes than the thousands of people left maimed, disfigured, and psychologically scarred as a result of atrocities carried out by their armed wing.

What a depressing tweet. What a grim party.

blanch152 · 26-08-2020 07:25AM

Once again the mask slips

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0826/1161323-victims-tweet-troubles/

"However, Ms Anderson yesterday posted a tweet saying the pensions were mainly for those who fought Britain's "dirty war" in Ireland and mainly for those involved in collusion."

As Colum Eastwood says "The comments made by Martina Anderson this evening are unacceptable, disgusting and grossly insulting to hundreds of victims who sustained life-changing physical and psychological injuries related to Troubles incidents."

This is unbelievable stuff. Yet, I am sure that we will have posters on here defending her just as there will be Shinnerbots over on Twitter attacking anyone who points this out. However, it once again shows that the cheap veneer of respectability that Sinn Fein cover themselves with hides the deeply-held sectarian and bigoted views of its public representatives. From the idiot with the bread to the racist councillor from Tallaght taking in the primitive celebrations in the RDS and from the Waterford thug to this latest incident, there is a pattern.

It will be interesting to see whether any action will be taken. The last few months have seen a sea-change in Irish politics led by the new Government whereby resignations occur when there is perceived wrongdoing. Over to Sinn Fein to show that they also are part of this new politics.

Bishop of hope · 26-08-2020 09:15AM

Interesting question came to me here, were SF represented at Garda Horkans funeral, and if not why not?

Edgware · 26-08-2020 09:20AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Once again the mask slips

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0826/1161323-victims-tweet-troubles/

"However, Ms Anderson yesterday posted a tweet saying the pensions were mainly for those who fought Britain's "dirty war" in Ireland and mainly for those involved in collusion."

As Colum Eastwood says "The comments made by Martina Anderson this evening are unacceptable, disgusting and grossly insulting to hundreds of victims who sustained life-changing physical and psychological injuries related to Troubles incidents."

This is unbelievable stuff. Yet, I am sure that we will have posters on here defending her just as there will be Shinnerbots over on Twitter attacking anyone who points this out. However, it once again shows that the cheap veneer of respectability that Sinn Fein cover themselves with hides the deeply-held sectarian and bigoted views of its public representatives. From the idiot with the bread to the racist councillor from Tallaght taking in the primitive celebrations in the RDS and from the Waterford thug to this latest incident, there is a pattern.

It will be interesting to see whether any action will be taken. The last few months have seen a sea-change in Irish politics led by the new Government whereby resignations occur when there is perceived wrongdoing. Over to Sinn Fein to show that they also are part of this new politics.

A disgusting statement by Anderson. Was the poor girl who had both legs blown off involved in collusion? Any Shinner who could support Anderson in this statement would show exactly the level of scum in that party

Superfoods · 26-08-2020 09:53AM

Edgware wrote: »

A disgusting statement by Anderson. Was the poor girl who had both legs blown off involved in collusion? Any Shinner who could support Anderson in this statement would show exactly the level of scum in that party

Dont worry Mary Lou has spoken to her.

Mary Lou is starting to look like a bigger idiot than Michael martin. Not a week go past without one of her minions dropping her in the s**t and she doesn't even have the power to do anything about them

Sean.3516 · 26-08-2020 10:40AM

Sinn Fein are moral degenerates and always have been.

Nothing is more toxic and more degrading to the politics of this island than the culture of IRA apologism promoted by Sinn Fein.

Anyone who was a member of the IRA (or any paramilitary of either side) ought to be excluded from that pension. Murderers, all of them.

Sean.3516 · 26-08-2020 10:59AM

jm08 wrote: »

They were both intelligence officers of the IRA! Both very clever operators. I suggest you read up about ''The Squad'' before you decide that Michael Collins wasn't a ruthless operator who would have had a problem killing anyone, male or female if they got in the way of achiveing an Irish Republic.

Are Sinners being deliberately obtuse by conflating the "Old" War of Independence era IRA with the PIRA of The Troubles?

There are many differences between the two but the most important difference was that the Old IRA was recognised as the legitimate army of the democratically elected Dail Eireann.

It existed from 1919 until 1922 when the Irish Republic was reorganised into the Irish Free State. Any groups claiming to be the IRA after that point (OIRA, PIRA etc.) were rogue organisations that had no mandate whatsoever from the Irish government to engage in military operations against Britain. In other words, they were criminals and terrorists.

Superfoods · 26-08-2020 11:06AM

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are Sinners being deliberately obtuse by conflating the "Old" War of Independence era IRA with the PIRA of The Troubles?

It is an easier sell in the US 1916, Michael Collins etc. That's why you see pictures of Mary Lou standing with painting of 1916 members etc.

It's optics which works for the US fundraisers.

markodaly · 26-08-2020 11:19AM

Imagine an elected representative victim blaming the very people who they severely injured and maimed and denying them their lawful and rightful compensation. Then imagine slurring their good names as if they were working for the British in some "Dirty War'.

The mask always slips with these people. When its wearing a loaf of Kingsmill bread, or shouting 'Up da Ra' after an election in Waterford, or victim blaming people who lost their limbs because of an SF/PIRA bomb.

Anyone who thinks they are a normal political party would want their head examined.

maccored · 26-08-2020 11:24AM

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are Sinners being deliberately obtuse by conflating the "Old" War of Independence era IRA with the PIRA of The Troubles?

There are many differences between the two but the most important difference was that the Old IRA was recognised as the legitimate army of the democratically elected Dail Eireann.

It existed from 1919 until 1922 when the Irish Republic was reorganised into the Irish Free State. Any groups claiming to be the IRA after that point (OIRA, PIRA etc.) were rogue organisations that had no mandate whatsoever from the Irish government to engage in military operations against Britain. In other words, they were criminals and terrorists.

ah cop on - either both are 'terrorists' or neither are. stop trying to have your cake and eat it. at the time the Dail was classed as illegal by the brits (1919) so technically the IRA were as illegal then as later.

The hypocrisy on here is astounding.

maccored · 26-08-2020 11:26AM

markodaly wrote: »

Imagine an elected representative victim blaming the very people who they severely injured and maimed and denying them their lawful and rightful compensation. Then imagine slurring their good names as if they were working for the British in some "Dirty War'.

The mask always slips with these people. When its wearing a loaf of Kingsmill bread, or shouting 'Up da Ra' after an election in Waterford, or victim blaming people who lost their limbs because of an SF/PIRA bomb.

Anyone who thinks they are a normal political party would want their head examined.

dont like them, dont vote for them. If they are as terrible as you make out no-one will vote for them. Cant understand the need for the bleating about SF on boards. Who cares what you think of them - its the votes that keep them relevant. Those votes are increasing every time - except for one local election which was sure to be part of your reply.

markodaly · 26-08-2020 11:28AM

maccored wrote: »

dont like them, dont vote for them. If they are as terrible as you make out no-one will vote for them. Cant understand the need for the bleating about SF on boards. Who cares what you think of them - its the votes that keep them relevant. Those votes are increasing every time - except for one local election which was sure to be part of your reply.

Do you hold the same view to the half dozen threads about FG/The Government on this forum, or is that OK?

You are a self admitted member of SF, so of course it is in your self interest to make any criticism 'go away' kinda like how PIRA sorted many a problem themselves.

piplip87 · 26-08-2020 11:29AM

jm08 wrote: »

Its part of republican custom to have an oration at the graveside. From what I've seen of that on youtube, at least social distancing rules seemed to be in operation and it was in the open.

There was no graveside. He was cremated. It was a political rally.

Superfoods · 26-08-2020 11:32AM

maccored wrote: »

ah cop on - either both are 'terrorists' or neither are. stop trying to have your cake and eat it. at the time the Dail was classed as illegal by the brits (1919) so technically the IRA were as illegal then as later.

The hypocrisy on here is astounding.

Sinn Fein have no issue trying to align themselves with 1916. I don't see them trying to align with Shankill Road bombing etc. Do you?

If Sinn Fein are so proud of the PIRA why don't they have Mary Lou standing beside a painting of those people?

piplip87 · 26-08-2020 11:32AM

maccored wrote: »

ah cop on - either both are 'terrorists' or neither are. stop trying to have your cake and eat it. at the time the Dail was classed as illegal by the brits (1919) so technically the IRA were as illegal then as later.

The hypocrisy on here is astounding.

The IRA during the War of Independence had a mandate from the Irish people. The provos did not. The vast majority north and south did not agree with them.

The secret army (the provos) where not accountable to the people they claimed to represent. The often killed them.

maccored · 26-08-2020 11:33AM

markodaly wrote: »

Do you hold the same view to the half dozen threads about FG/The Government on this forum, or is that OK?

If I dont like them dont vote for them? I dont vote for FF or FG and you dont see me starting threads about them - so I dont really get your point there

You are a self admitted member of SF, so of course it is in your self interest to make any criticism 'go away' kinda like how PIRA sorted many a problem themselves.

err ... what? Criticise all you want, I dont lose any sleep over it. except all i see is whinging, not criticism.

The IRA existed because they had to, now they dont. No-one would want them back again and no-one would ever decide a conflict like what happened was great fun so lets do it again. That kind of thinking is incredibly stupid.

maccored · 26-08-2020 11:36AM

piplip87 wrote: »

The IRA during the War of Independence had a mandate from the Irish people. The provos did not. The vast majority north and south did not agree with them.

The secret army (the provos) where not accountable to the people they claimed to represent. The often killed them.

the brits - who ruled the place at the time - viewed them as illegal. Really, all the south did was sell out the north for their own peace. You obviously didnt live in the north during the conflict. many, many people I knew supported them. You hadnt a clue what was going on at the time im sure anyway.

The IRA could not have existed without public support. thats a fact you wont get around no matter how your fantasise it

maccored · 26-08-2020 11:39AM

Superfoods wrote: »

Sinn Fein have no issue trying to align themselves with 1916. I don't see them trying to align with Shankill Road bombing etc. Do you?

If Sinn Fein are so proud of the PIRA why don't they have Mary Lou standing beside a painting of those people?

why would she? how is a picture of the victims of the shankill bombing and 1916 related? Outside of the IRA killing people? The IRA did that in the early 20th century too but apparently they were allowed to or somesuch waffle.

in bold btw is is a classic example of the whataboutery mark likes to post pics about

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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