Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

MOR316 · 25-08-2020 11:30PM

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

khalessi · 25-08-2020 11:31PM

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

One of the side effects of the flu vaccine is getting a flu like illness, go figure.

mcburns07 · 25-08-2020 11:33PM

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

The flu or another respiratory virus? Most people get the flu every 5 or so years, doesn't stop them from calling every cold they get "the flu".

ednwireland · 25-08-2020 11:34PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Oh dear - you're one of them

oh dear - you're one of them !

fritzelly · 25-08-2020 11:36PM

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

The flu vaccine is based on the best guess what strain will be here - sometimes they get it wrong, other times there is different strains that become more widespread

MOR316 · 25-08-2020 11:40PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

The flu or another respiratory virus? Most people get the flu every 5 or so years, doesn't stop them from calling every cold they get "the flu".

Nah, from memory it definitely wasn't a cold. You can work/function with a cold, or rather you could work/function with a cold before Covid 19 made an appearance. Flu, not so much and that was always the case with my work colleagues.

Curiously, now I think of it, it never spread to the rest of us in the office or me, in terms of my friends and family.

xabi · 25-08-2020 11:41PM

fritzelly wrote: »

The flu vaccine is based on the best guess what strain will be here - sometimes they get it wrong, other times there is different strains that become more widespread

And most people get a bad cold and think they have flu.

fritzelly · 25-08-2020 11:47PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

The flu or another respiratory virus? Most people get the flu every 5 or so years, doesn't stop them from calling every cold they get "the flu".

And even then it's just as likely to be no worse than a cold or very short lived

Must be 30 years since a flu has floored me

speckle · 25-08-2020 11:48PM

some people choose no vaccination
some choose to vaccinate
some cannot be vaccinated
some vaccinations do not work on some people
and sometimes people choose all of the above at different times
Just choose your choice after researching what it right for you
Don't judge

fritzelly · 25-08-2020 11:50PM

speckle wrote: »

some people choose no vaccination
some choose to vaccinate
some cannot be vaccinated
some vaccinations do not work on some people
and sometimes people choose all of the above at different times
Just choose your choice after researching what it right for you
Don't judge

And then there's some who choose not to, because, you know the government are using it to track you and other absurd ideas

speckle · 25-08-2020 11:52PM

fritzelly wrote: »

And then there's some who choose not to, because, you know the government are using it to track you and other absurd ideas

That is still judging:D

MOR316 · 25-08-2020 11:53PM

speckle wrote: »

some people choose no vaccination
some choose to vaccinate
some cannot be vaccinated
some vaccinations do not work on some people
and sometimes people choose all of the above at different times
Just choose your choice after researching what it right for you
Don't judge

Parklife!

drunkmonkey · 25-08-2020 11:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

I didn't hear him saying we could relax soon and get rid of social distancing measures - where does he say that?

You didn't watch it all then, he didn't say we should relax distancing. Washing your hands and distancing is all that's required. That's way less stressful that what were enduring from our Government advice and mandates.

owlbethere · 25-08-2020 11:58PM

I've been getting winter flu vaccine every year for well over a decade. Not once had I a reaction or become ill from the vaccine. Haven't had the flu since about 2004 or 2005. I aim to get the flu vaccine when I don't have any cold symptoms.

mcburns07 · 26-08-2020 12:09AM

Got it the last two years because it’s available free at work so why not! No reaction either. Had the flu proper a few years ago for the first time since I was a kid, not fun.

A good indicator is that flu symptoms tend to come on rapidly and last for a relatively short period of time, cold symptoms develop more gradually and can drag on for weeks.

26-08-2020 12:10AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

From those around me who have had the flu shot I would rate it similar to snake oil, from cases where people have felt tired and weak for days after getting it to people getting severe flu weeks after getting the shot. I'd not pump any of that poison in to my body.

Mate. Stop been hysterical. Flu vaccines aren't poison. It's not snake oil.

Educate yourself

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16670732

Queried · 26-08-2020 12:15AM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Got it the last two years because it’s available free at work so why not! No reaction either. Had the flu proper a few years ago for the first time since I was a kid, not fun.

A good indicator is that flu symptoms tend to come on rapidly and last for a relatively short period of time, cold symptoms develop more gradually and can drag on for weeks.

I've never had it but will definitely be getting it this year since I work in a school. Only ever had it once before, when I was in college about 10 years ago. I didn't realise until that point that I had been mistaking bad colds for a flu. I couldn't get out of bed unaided, it was horrendous. Like you said, it came on so quickly, I went from being absolutely fine to so sick in the space of an hour. Actually don't know why that experience didn't encourage me to get the vaccine before now but if a pandemic won't I don't know what will!

speckle · 26-08-2020 12:27AM

Speaking of vaccines whether you get them or not what any ones view on this that.... company's are looking for liability waivers on a covid vaccine incase of side effects

https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/127905/coronavirus-belgian-experts-shocked-as-astrazeneca-seeks-liability-waiver-for-vaccine/

Goldengirl · 26-08-2020 12:28AM

speckle wrote: »

But remember influenza vacines are not perfect in their coverage, you can still get the flu. I think the WHO CDC ECDC normally have reports every year on the statistics of who it is working best on and if they missed a strain.
Sadly, as my family knows all too well.

Sorry to hear.
Flu shot last year only hit one strain and a lot of people sick in December and January despite having had the jab, were thought to have the second strain .
Thank you for your previous , excellent article re the first 2 cases of community transmission in Cork . It shows the importance of good clinical decision making by those doctors in testing the 2 patients , against public health advice which was way too restrictive at the time .
Many cases in that first month or two were probably missed because of those restrictive criteria.

maebee · 26-08-2020 12:30AM

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

I got the flu once in my life, in December 1999. I thought I was at death's door. It was horrendous. Got the flu jab in 2000 and every year since. Have never had a flu since. In my book, the flu vaccination works.

speckle · 26-08-2020 12:37AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry to hear.
Flu shot last year only hit one strain and a lot of people sick in December and January despite having had the jab, were thought to have the second strain .
Thank you for your previous , excellent article re the first 2 cases of community transmission in Cork . It shows the importance of good clinical decision making by those doctors in testing the 2 patients , against public health advice which was way too restrictive at the time .
Many cases in that first month or two were probably missed because of those restrictive criteria.

Yes they probably saved many lives down in the southwest by standing by what was best for their patients. We should also be grateful to the families especially of the one who died, who allowed the research to be published.
Ar dheis de go raibh a anam.

26-08-2020 12:40AM

maebee wrote: »

I got the flu once in my life, in December 1999. I thought I was at death's door. It was horrendous. Got the flu jab in 2000 and every year since. Have never had a flu since. In my book, the flu vaccination works.

Same as myself, ended up in hospital on a drip with the flu a few years back, and have taken the vaccine ever since. I was shocked at how hard it hit me, a reasonably healthy man in late 30's at the time.

Jinglejangle69 · 26-08-2020 12:46AM

MOR316 wrote: »

It's a curious point...

I've had family members, friends, work colleagues all get the flu vaccine and each of them all got the flu, every single time

From that alone, it just appears to be a giant waste of time

Jesus.

Lads there is 5 different strains of flu.

The flu jab only covers one.

How some of you people manage from one day to the next is beyond me.

Goldengirl · 26-08-2020 12:46AM

maebee wrote: »

I got the flu once in my life, in December 1999. I thought I was at death's door. It was horrendous. Got the flu jab in 2000 and every year since. Have never had a flu since. In my book, the flu vaccination works.

I have had the flu jab at work most years but as in this year it doesn't always work .
Whatever I got this year was awful ( in bed for a week, and respiratory distress and dry cough) and the GP thought it was Covid but I didn't t get tested until I was 2 weeks over it because it was during the backlog .
I also had a terrible one years ago where I had such a high temperature I couldn't see clearly and basically lost 24 hours with delirium .
Wrecked for a few weeks after both .
I would still get vaccinated though as it does reduce your risk of getting something , and it would be important this year to reduce pressure on health services generally .
I think it should be free for everyone this year .

fritzelly · 26-08-2020 12:48AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think it should be free for everyone this year .

Said that a good few threads ago - regardless of covid the amount of money it would save the economy it would pay for itself many times over

Steve F · 26-08-2020 12:50AM

maebee wrote: »

I got the flu once in my life, in December 1999. I thought I was at death's door. It was horrendous. Got the flu jab in 2000 and every year since. Have never had a flu since. In my book, the flu vaccination works.

Same here.
Came down with it just after Christmas 99.
I realized then that I'd never had flu before as this was so bad.What I'd had before were just heavy colds.
I was bedridden till nearly the second week in January 2000...the arrival of the new millennium passed me by and to be honest I felt so ill I couldn't have cared less about it.
True flu knocks you flat. When I hear people say they have a "touch" of the flu when in reality what they have is a common cold,I smile and shake my head....if only they knew what true flu was like to have

speckle · 26-08-2020 12:50AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I have had the flu jab at work most years but as in this year it doesn't always work .
Whatever I got this year was awful ( in bed for a week, and respiratory distress and dry cough) and the GP thought it was Covid but I didn't t get tested until I was 2 weeks over it because it was during the backlog .
I also had a terrible one years ago where I had such a high temperature I couldn't see clearly and basically lost 24 hours with delirium .
Wrecked for a few weeks after both .
I would still get vaccinated though as it does reduce your risk of getting something , and it would be important this year to reduce pressure on health services generally .
I think it should be free for everyone this year .

Did you ever think of getting the antibody test as you might have been too late for the PCR?

spookwoman · 26-08-2020 12:55AM

Steve F wrote: »

Same here.
Came down with it just after Christmas 99.
I realized then that I'd never had flu before as this was so bad.What I'd had before were just heavy colds.
I was bedridden till nearly the second week in January 2000...the arrival of the new millennium passed me by and to be honest I felt so ill I couldn't have cared less about it.
True flu knocks you flat. When I hear people say they have a "touch" of the flu when in reality what they have is a common cold,I smile and shake my head....if only they knew what true flu was like to have

Would have been about 1997 UK and never have I had anything like it since. Slept for a 20 hours straight and when I finally did wake was hardly about to move with the aches and pains. Dose of night nurse every night after was the best way of getting any sleep after that.

speckle · 26-08-2020 12:56AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Jesus.

Lads there is 5 different strains of flu.

The flu jab only covers one.

How some of you people manage from one day to the next is beyond me.

mmmh, most flu jabs now cover more than one strain of flu, always ask your doc or pharmacist/chemist for info on what one you got

26-08-2020 12:56AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Jesus.

Lads there is 5 different strains of flu.

The flu jab only covers one.

How some of you people manage from one day to the next is beyond me.

Last years jab had 4 strains.

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