Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2020 07:21PM

jm08 wrote: »

And you know this how? Whats with the New Constitution. Do the citizens of this new republic get to approve it in a referendum are is it going to be a communist state with a Mary Lou as dictator?

Communities will be made to live in fear of overlords until they agree to vote for the new constitution...doncha know?

jm08 · 24-08-2020 07:21PM

zoobizoo wrote: »

I didn't mention a pension.

Had he survived with injuries, are SF saying that he would deserve a disability pension similar to the people whose lives he destroyed?

Pity Brady didn't think about those innocent victims before posting.

Apologies, I thought you were joining in the debate about the pensions for people injured in the troubles and not going off on another pointless rant.

zoobizoo · 24-08-2020 07:48PM

jm08 wrote: »

Apologies, I thought you were joining in the debate about the pensions for people injured in the troubles and not going off on another pointless rant.

Where's the rant?

No need to apologise.

gormdubhgorm · 24-08-2020 08:09PM

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

tikkahunter · 24-08-2020 10:29PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

One of their councilors went to lanzarote as well - not a word of it from them or in here for that matter.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 10:38PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

One of their councilors went to lanzarote as well - not a word of it from them or in here for that matter.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

While I think it was incredibly silly to go off to the Canaries (or anywhere else really) at the minute, if she has adhered to the self isolation guidelines on her return there's not really a lot they can say about it to her.

It's not in the same ballpark as what happened in Clifden, guidelines v regulations, the Gards are investigating the Clifden event should give you the helpful hint you need to spot the difference.

I know this is a difficult time for some, but some perspective is required lads.

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 10:45PM

McMurphy wrote: »

While I think it was incredibly silly to go off to the Canaries (or anywhere else really) at the minute, if she has adhered to the self isolation guidelines on her return there's not really a lot they can say about it to her.

It's not in the same ballpark as what happened in Clifden, guidelines v regulations, the Gards are investigating the Clifden event should give you the helpful hint you need to spot the difference.

I know this is a difficult time for some, but some perspective is required lads.

Yes, SF Phil, we know it is different. SF councillors can breach guidelines and not get any punishment, but the chairperson of Failte Ireland must resign for the same offence.

Transparent nauseating hypocrisy.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 10:51PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, SF Phil, we know it is different. SF councillors can breach guidelines and not get any punishment, but the chairperson of Failte Ireland must resign for the same offence.

Transparent nauseating hypocrisy.

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

gormdubhgorm · 24-08-2020 11:09PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

So because a person in the public eye and another is not as well known as other politicians it excuses such behaviour does it?

Real irony is with SF that there are many not in the public consciousness 'behind the scenes' who when they die are referred to as 'Good Republicans' aka Bobby Storey.
But when a SF Councillor breaks covid19 regulations - 'ah sure no one heard of her before anyway' its grand! Talk about having your cake and eating it!

I assume you were sniggering away to yourself when you wrote the post?

blanch152 · 24-08-2020 11:16PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Donie Cassidy, a man I never liked, but fair play to him, a retired, out of the public eye nonentity, and he did the right thing, but once again, double standards for Sinn Fein, Brazen predictable hypocrisy from the usual sources.

McMurphy · 24-08-2020 11:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Donie Cassidy, a man I never liked, but fair play to him, a retired, out of the public eye nonentity, and he did the right thing, but once again, double standards for Sinn Fein, Brazen predictable hypocrisy from the usual sources.

Donie Cassidy broke regulations, not guidelines so hardly a fair comparison. I really couldn't give a fiddler's fart whether or not you like him, and am confused why you felt the need to tell me tbh.

But have a go at this one, Charlie Flanagan/Frank Feighan were both in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral where mourners could be seen ignoring social distancing guidelines.

Do you think Charlie or Frank should resign from their roles within their party's for ignoring the guidelines and if not why not.

Chiparus · 24-08-2020 11:30PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

You are kidding right?

Michael Lowry
Micheal Martin
Bertie Ahern
Liam Lawlor
Ray Burke
Charlie Haughey

..................I could go on.

gormdubhgorm · 25-08-2020 01:52AM

Chiparus wrote: »

You are kidding right?

Michael Lowry
Micheal Martin
Bertie Ahern
Liam Lawlor
Ray Burke
Charlie Haughey

..................I could go on.

All you mentioned (except Martin) had to resign at the very least, plus Burke and Lawlor had prison time. Haughey has been disgraced.

I fail to see how you mention Martin - is it just out of mischievousness to have a dig?

My point it is rare that there is normal political repercussions for anyone in SF. Nor is it usual that there critism of a SF member/associate from party members unless you count Paddy Hoolahan.

Paddy a fella who was only in a wet week there. And would not be classed as a 'Good Republican' unlike say Slab Murphy, Liam Adams, or Dessie Ellis. Not a bad word would be said by the SF hierarchy against those 'Good Republicans' wagons are circled.

Can you see the contrast?

gormdubhgorm · 25-08-2020 02:01AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Donie Cassidy broke regulations, not guidelines so hardly a fair comparison. I really couldn't give a fiddler's fart whether or not you like him, and am confused why you felt the need to tell me tbh.

But have a go at this one, Charlie Flanagan/Frank Feighan were both in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral where mourners could be seen ignoring social distancing guidelines.

Do you think Charlie or Frank should resign from their roles within their party's for ignoring the guidelines and if not why not.

By the way on the government of Ireland website they are reffered to as measures

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/77b6d-statement-on-the-introduction-of-new-measures-to-limit-the-spread-of-covid-19/

SF are great at semantics when it suits.
Much how Gerry says he never was a member of the IRA but he would never 'disassociate' himself from them!
You have learnt well from your OB1Kenobi - Adams....

And they are repeated in the SI regulations

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Would make anyone smile what you are trying to do.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 03:10AM

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Same crime, same punishment

Sinn Fein are doing themselves damage by ignoring it

Chiparus · 25-08-2020 06:02AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

All you mentioned (except Martin) had to resign at the very least, plus Burke and Lawlor had prison time. Haughey has been disgraced.

I fail to see how you mention Martin - is it just out of mischievousness to have a dig?

My point it is rare that there is normal political repercussions for anyone in SF. Nor is it usual that there critism of a SF member/associate from party members unless you count Paddy Hoolahan.

Paddy a fella who was only in a wet week there. And would not be classed as a 'Good Republican' unlike say Slab Murphy, Liam Adams, or Dessie Ellis. Not a bad word would be said by the SF hierarchy against those 'Good Republicans' wagons are circled.

Can you see the contrast?

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/02/06/a-house-by-the-sea/

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/02/11/so-why-did-that-money-end-up-in-your-wifes-account-mr-martin/

Wake up .

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 06:25AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

By the way on the government of Ireland website they are reffered to as measures

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/77b6d-statement-on-the-introduction-of-new-measures-to-limit-the-spread-of-covid-19/

SF are great at semantics when it suits.
Much how Gerry says he never was a member of the IRA but he would never 'disassociate' himself from them!
You have learnt well from your OB1Kenobi - Adams....

And they are repeated in the SI regulations

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Would make anyone smile what you are trying to do.

..

markodaly · 25-08-2020 06:30AM

Ah, the classic SF defence.

Never admit they were wrong, and try and deflect all the time.

blackwhite · 25-08-2020 08:14AM

I don't remember Garda Horkan's funeral taking a detour between the church and final resting place in order to facilitate a political rally that used his coffin as a prop

And SF's cheerleaders on here claim that it's their critics who try to "politicise" a funeral :pac:

jay1988 · 25-08-2020 08:20AM

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, the classic SF defence.

Never admit they were wrong, and try and deflect all the time.

Ah the classic FF/FG defence when they've been caught out doing something they shouldn't "but, but, Sinn Fein something, something"

PatrickSmithUS · 25-08-2020 08:24AM

I almost get the feeling that SF are trying to protect Mary Lou in the same way the FG used to protect Enda Kenny.

Doherty is being rolled out on all of the important issues, when he isn't just saying populist stuff on Highland Radio (urging to Government to focus on the redevelopment of Finn Harps staidium was a personal favourite.

Pushing Cullinane to the fore seems like a massive gamble given his tendency to act before he thinks.

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 08:26AM

blackwhite wrote: »

I don't remember Garda Horkan's funeral taking a detour between the church and final resting place in order to facilitate a political rally that used his coffin as a prop

And SF's cheerleaders on here claim that it's their critics who try to "politicise" a funeral :pac:

Does Covid know if it was going to a rally or the cemetery?

Bishop of hope · 25-08-2020 08:40AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Does Covid know if it was going to a rally or the cemetery?

It doesn't give a fcuk where it moves.
People should know better though!
People move the virus, it can't move on its own! Have you not got that message from anywhere yet?

Fann Linn · 25-08-2020 09:05AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It doesn't give a fcuk where it moves.
People should know better though!
People move the virus, it can't move on its own! Have you not got that message from anywhere yet?

Well and truly got the message, but plenty on here plus Leo only last weekend, appear to believe there is a differentiation because of who is in the coffin.

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 09:06AM

jay1988 wrote: »

Ah the classic FF/FG defence when they've been caught out doing something they shouldn't "but, but, Sinn Fein something, something"

What a silly statement. FF/FG got caught and they rightly made sure the majority of people lost their position

Sinn Fein got caught and so far no repurcussions, then you have Sinn Fein shouting about what happened. If Sinn Fein was squeeky clean like Labour/etc then yes shout it from the roof tops. But you want want to be fairly silly to not make the connection.

If Sinn Fein think it is ok for their own politicians and councillors to break the rules and everyone else has a different standard that is a huge concern for a party that wants to run Ireland. People talk about Micheal Martin not having control of his party, what exactly has Mary Lou when councillors have no problem heading for to Spain for a few weeks? really really stupid.

If Mary Lou had any sense she would have told them all once the government formed, now sit down, don't f**k up and wait for this all to come crashing down. Yet we have stories on FF/FG/Green every week but we also have a Sinn Fein story the same week. Even Mary Lou herself standing in Belfast like an idiot. Why exactly did she need to go? send the Michelle one who is responsible for the North.

At this moment in time none of them are fit to run this country.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 09:19AM

I think it's not hard to see why the FF/FG supporters are annoyed.

It's the 'double whammy' aspect of this.
Not only have 81 been found to have knowingly broken the regs but they have exposed how it all works in this country and has worked.
Former judge lambasting it all on the radio atm.

That's why they are annoyed...it has I imagine little to do with the covid transgressions.

You now have a FG member and a FG judge more or less saying they are above and more powerful than the state.
That is an untenable situation for any legitimate government.

tikkahunter · 25-08-2020 09:33AM

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, the classic SF defence.

Never admit they were wrong, and try and deflect all the time.

I think it’s comical really , I get a bit of a laugh from it . Look at the Apple money for an example- they tried to brainwash their following into thinking that was Ireland’s money to spend and fair play to them it worked because that’s all I could see on Facebook- more houses “ use the Apple money “ pension age “use the Apple money “ more social welfare every week “use the Apple money “ Covid payments bankrupting the country yep again use the Apple money . Then bang when the ruling came not a peep . Councillors doing what and saying what they like not a peep in fact let’s put one up for the mayors gig - then point out “sure look at what so and so has done from FFG “instead of condemning their own member and setting the example they resort to school yard politics and pointing the finger all around them to get them self out of trouble. It is comical that they all line out to mark respect for a good republicans at funerals when the party now resembles noting to what that person was part of - lefty ,populist and bandwagoners these days .

jm08 · 25-08-2020 09:38AM

Superfoods wrote: »

What a silly statement. FF/FG got caught and they rightly made sure the majority of people lost their position.

They actually had positions to lose as cabinet ministers.

Sinn Fein got caught and so far no repurcussions, then you have Sinn Fein shouting about what happened. If Sinn Fein was squeeky clean like Labour/etc then yes shout it from the roof tops. But you want want to be fairly silly to not make the connection.

So what should have been the repercussions for attending a funeral, bearing in mind that Mary Lou is an elected representative and not a cabinet minister.

If Sinn Fein think it is ok for their own politicians and councillors to break the rules and everyone else has a different standard that is a huge concern for a party that wants to run Ireland. People talk about Micheal Martin not having control of his party, what exactly has Mary Lou when councillors have no problem heading for to Spain for a few weeks? really really stupid.

The talk is Michael Martin doesn't have control of his Government Ministers which is an entirely different thing.

Mary Lou cannot sack a Councillor. Its up to the people who elected them to do that. All she can do is remove the SF whip.

If Mary Lou had any sense she would have told them all once the government formed, now sit down, don't f**k up and wait for this all to come crashing down. Yet we have stories on FF/FG/Green every week but we also have a Sinn Fein story the same week. Even Mary Lou herself standing in Belfast like an idiot. Why exactly did she need to go? send the Michelle one who is responsible for the North.

At this moment in time none of them are fit to run this country.

From what I read recently, membership of Sinn Fein is increasing by the day and they are particularly popular with young people. Something like 5000 new members this year so far.

Chiparus · 25-08-2020 09:44AM

Superfoods wrote: »

What a silly statement. FF/FG got caught and they rightly made sure the majority of people lost their position

Sinn Fein got caught and so far no repurcussions, then you have Sinn Fein shouting about what happened. If Sinn Fein was squeeky clean like Labour/etc then yes shout it from the roof tops. But you want want to be fairly silly to not make the connection.

If Sinn Fein think it is ok for their own politicians and councillors to break the rules and everyone else has a different standard that is a huge concern for a party that wants to run Ireland. People talk about Micheal Martin not having control of his party, what exactly has Mary Lou when councillors have no problem heading for to Spain for a few weeks? really really stupid.

If Mary Lou had any sense she would have told them all once the government formed, now sit down, don't f**k up and wait for this all to come crashing down. Yet we have stories on FF/FG/Green every week but we also have a Sinn Fein story the same week. Even Mary Lou herself standing in Belfast like an idiot. Why exactly did she need to go? send the Michelle one who is responsible for the North.

At this moment in time none of them are fit to run this country.

So will they make Hogan resign?

Superfoods · 25-08-2020 09:49AM

jm08 wrote: »

They actually had positions to lose as cabinet ministers.

Yes and they lost them plus other roles have been vacated

jm08 wrote: »

So what should have been the repercussions for attending a funeral, bearing in mind that Mary Lou is an elected representative and not a cabinet minister.

Mary Lou should have stepped down as her role as leader of Sinn Fein as she clearly cannot lead in a crisis

Or maybe, just not go?

jm08 wrote: »

The talk is Michael Martin doesn't have control of his Government Ministers which is an entirely different thing.

How is it different? he is a leader of a party, same as Mary Lou. She has guys running around shouting "Up da Ra", another throwing accusations about a man killed, another who is going on rants on facebook, another councillor over in Spain for two weeks, a load going up North for a funeral and not following guidelines.

why are people shouting about Michael Martin? so far Mary Lou leadership looks to be fairly poor. Or do you think all of the above shows good leadership?

jm08 wrote: »

Mary Lou cannot sack a Councillor. Its up to the people who elected them to do that. All she can do is remove the SF whip.

She can remove a councillor from Sinn Fein. Very easy to do that. A lot harder to sack your second Agri Minister. Michael Martin done it and done it quickly, which showed improvement in leadership

jm08 wrote: »

From what I read recently, membership of Sinn Fein is increasing by the day and they are particularly popular with young people. Something like 5000 new members this year so far.

If you say so, I am not saying they are/are not getting new members. I am just saying you can't go round shouting/roaring about one political party while doing the same or worse in your own party.

If Sinn Fein kept under the radar for a few months they would probably have 20,000 but they constantly do Sinn Fein things......

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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