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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4442
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alroley


    markodaly wrote: »
    So it starts...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-teachers-facing-life-or-death-risk-due-to-covid-19-vulnerability-1.4337894


    It is amazing that not only that Ann Piggot from the ASTI is able to try and represent teachers (badly at that), she can also give a prognosis for anyone with huge variety of conditions, a death sentence.

    .... and teachers think we, the public, should respect these Unions?

    If these teachers are indeed THAT sick, then go on sick leave and/or retire and give up your full-time position to someone younger and healthier.

    So so late in the day for the ASTI to be concerned about this, what have they been doing for the past 6 months? **** all as it turns out.

    Jesus Christ.


  • #4443
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    markodaly wrote: »
    So it starts...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-teachers-facing-life-or-death-risk-due-to-covid-19-vulnerability-1.4337894


    It is amazing that not only that Ann Piggot from the ASTI is able to try and represent teachers (badly at that), she can also give a prognosis for anyone with huge variety of conditions, a death sentence.

    .... and teachers think we, the public, should respect these Unions?

    If these teachers are indeed THAT sick, then go on sick leave and/or retire and give up your full-time position to someone younger and healthier.

    So so late in the day for the ASTI to be concerned about this, what have they been doing for the past 6 months? **** all as it turns out.

    They're not "that sick," they're that vulnerable. The game has suddenly changed and they're not disposable. Despicable.


  • #4444
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    alroley wrote: »
    Jesus Christ.

    Meh. It’s only Marko’s weekly rant. He loves unions as much as Michael O’Leary.
    In the real world, schools in Seoul have closed and gone online due to a surge in cases. No doubt the NCCA will have an online curriculum ready for the inevitable closures here.


  • #4445
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    markodaly wrote: »
    So it starts...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/asti-teachers-facing-life-or-death-risk-due-to-covid-19-vulnerability-1.4337894


    It is amazing that not only that Ann Piggot from the ASTI is able to try and represent teachers (badly at that), she can also give a prognosis for anyone with huge variety of conditions, a death sentence.

    .... and teachers think we, the public, should respect these Unions?

    If these teachers are indeed THAT sick, then go on sick leave and/or retire and give up your full-time position to someone younger and healthier.

    So so late in the day for the ASTI to be concerned about this, what have they been doing for the past 6 months? **** all as it turns out.

    Easy to give such a controversial opinion behind the safety of your keyboard.

    Cowardly.


  • #4446
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Reported by virgin media that the WHO are now recommending masks be worn in schools by children aged 6 - 11. I presume they think a 12 year old is already in secondary school. Interesting to see what the gov will do .


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  • #4447
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    . No doubt the NCCA will have an online curriculum ready for the inevitable closures here.

    Hope you are correct but you've got more confidence in them than I do.


  • #4448
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Hope you are correct but you've got more confidence in them than I do.

    Sarcasm sometimes doesn’t translate well with the written word.


  • #4449
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So the schools start reopening from today, I can’t believe this is being allowed to go ahead.

    I think this reopening is going to be shown as a massive mistake when it results in a large increase in the spread of the virus. People can no longer interact with any teacher or pupil now for the risk of getting the virus from them especially old or vunerable. Not only that but the long term health impacts of the virus are not know a piece on the radio I was listening to highlighted this again we could be condemning people to a lifetime of health problems even if they only get a minor dose of covid.


  • #4450
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Blondini wrote: »
    Easy to give such a controversial opinion behind the safety of your keyboard.

    Cowardly.

    Its just Mark. I have a bingo game based on his cliches about teachers, I have got BINGO a few times.


  • #4451
    NelRom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭NelRom


    Post primary buses will only have 50% capacity where available, everyone else 'pending' (or 100% capacity)
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/64a88-school-transport/


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  • #4452
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    there is so much still that we dont know about this virus .. amazing to hear that the chinese are already giving their "vaccine" for the last month to key workers that need to go to other countries ...

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-china-has-been-vaccinating-key-workers-since-july-12055441


  • #4453
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Reported by virgin media that the WHO are now recommending masks be worn in schools by children aged 6 - 11. I presume they think a 12 year old is already in secondary school. Interesting to see what the gov will do .

    https://www.facebook.com/VirginMediaNews/posts/3881184941896068


  • #4454
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1297956844154101762?s=09

    Mehole, Norma and NPHET pick and choose what to implement from WHO. Pretty clear what their guidance is now.


  • #4455
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Korea not going well.

    https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1298150228843876352?s=20


  • #4456
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Korea not going well.

    https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1298150228843876352?s=20

    We'll be different here something something.


  • #4457
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Mehole, Norma and NPHET pick and choose what to implement from WHO. Pretty clear what their guidance is now.
    That "should" is with a huge asterisk. You can read the recommendation here: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19

    A journalist put this to Glynn yesterday claiming that the WHO are advising children over 6 to wear masks, and Glynn very correctly told her that the WHO advice wasn't that clear cut.


  • #4458
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    We'll be different here something something.

    So? It's only Seul, the rest of the country is still open. I think nobody realistically expects to be open everywhere all the time. In Irish context should the whole country close because of the infection rates in Kildare?


  • #4459
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    seamus wrote: »
    That "should" is with a huge asterisk. You can read the recommendation here: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19

    A journalist put this to Glynn yesterday claiming that the WHO are advising children over 6 to wear masks, and Glynn very correctly told her that the WHO advice wasn't that clear cut.

    The same organisation that said earlier on that there was no evidence to say healthy people should wear masks? Our government leaders are not the only one's who pick and choose the science-led advice to follow. Here are the full guidelines they just issued. If science says that age group should wear them, then every effort should be made where possible. Not waiting until infection is wide spread, but how about wearing them from the start to prevent people from getting sick and dying in the first place?! Jfc. :rolleyes:

    Children aged 5 years and under should not be required to wear masks. This is based on the safety and overall interest of the child and the capacity to appropriately use a mask with minimal assistance.

    WHO and UNICEF advise that the decision to use masks for children aged 6-11 should be based on the following factors:

    Whether there is widespread transmission in the area where the child resides
    The ability of the child to safely and appropriately use a mask
    Access to masks, as well as laundering and replacement of masks in certain settings (such as schools and childcare services)
    Adequate adult supervision and instructions to the child on how to put on, take off and safely wear masks
    Potential impact of wearing a mask on learning and psychosocial development, in consultation with teachers, parents/caregivers and/or medical providers
    Specific settings and interactions the child has with other people who are at high risk of developing serious illness, such as the elderly and those with other underlying health conditions
    WHO and UNICEF advise that children aged 12 and over should wear a mask under the same conditions as adults, in particular when they cannot guarantee at least a 1-metre distance from others and there is widespread transmission in the area.

    More on the types of masks, how to choose them, and how to wear them is available here: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks


  • #4460
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    meeeeh wrote: »
    So? It's only Seul, the rest of the country is still open. I think nobody realistically expects to be open everywhere all the time. In Irish context should the whole country close because of the infection rates in Kildare?

    No but schools in Kildare should not be opening with the level if transmission there currently. However as we have absolutely no plan B it is full steam ahead including those areas which are still in lockdown.


    ETA - Again I don’t understand why any questioning of the govs plan indicates that all schools should close. We need a more nuanced plan then the one we have.


  • #4461
    Boggles
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    So? It's only Seul, the rest of the country is still open. I think nobody realistically expects to be open everywhere all the time. In Irish context should the whole country close because of the infection rates in Kildare?

    You are looking at it too myopically.

    If schools contribute to the reseeding of the virus in numerous locations countrywide, it gets to a point where public health will declare them unsafe in their current form, you don't wait for a domino effect during a global pandemic.

    Or at least they should if that happens, which it will.

    We are sending 1.1 million humans back indoors with all the millions of movements and interactions that come with that based on ignoring science and cherry picking best case scenarios from very limited studies.

    I mean Norma isn't a complete moron, there is a very valid reason she has turned into one of Ireland's greatest ever hide and seek champions.


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  • #4462
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    No but schools in Kildare should not be opening with the level if transmission there currently. However as we have absolutely no plan B it is full steam ahead including those areas which are still in lockdown.

    And what level of infection is acceptable to open schools? Just trying to figure out your scientific expertise on the issue. So at how many people per 100k is safe or not safe to open schools?


  • #4463
    wirelessdude01
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    Boggles wrote: »

    I mean Norma isn't a complete moron, there is a very valid reason she has turned into one of Ireland's greatest ever hide and seek champions.

    I'm assuming she's gonna appear in a welcome back to school video this week that was recorded in the school school Mehole appeared in last week. Loads of space and nothing to see here will be the message.


  • #4464
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    I'm assuming she's gonna appear in a welcome back to school video this week that was recorded in the school school Mehole appeared in last week. Loads of space and nothing to see here will be the message.


    :pac::pac:absolutely


  • #4465
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    No but schools in Kildare should not be opening with the level if transmission there currently. However as we have absolutely no plan B it is full steam ahead including those areas which are still in lockdown.


    ETA - Again I don’t understand why any questioning of the govs plan indicates that all schools should close. We need a more nuanced plan then the one we have.

    As well as that. Korea are closing schools in Seoul while their overall transmission rate is much lower than our current levels. So they are acting sooner. Allowing them to still make local changes. We are ploughing ahead at a point where our transmission levels are higher and almost certainly growing. This makes it far, far less likely that we will have the option of local closures working for us because just like in March, we are waiting too long and letting things get too bad before taking necessary action.

    In addition to that "Only Seoul" has a significantly larger population than all of Ireland.


  • #4466
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Boggles wrote: »
    You are looking at it too myopically.

    If schools contribute to the reseeding of the virus in numerous locations countrywide, it gets to a point where public health will declare them unsafe in their current form, you don't wait for a domino effect during a global pandemic.

    Or at least they should if that happens, which it will.

    We are sending 1.1 million humans back indoors with all the millions of movements and interactions that come with that based on ignoring science and cherry picking best case scenarios from very limited studies.

    I mean Norma isn't a complete moron, there is a very valid reason she has turned into one of Ireland's greatest ever hide and seek champions.

    So because there is a spread in Seul we shouldn't open schools in Ireland. And you are going on about cherry picking... What about we open schools like any normal country wil this autumn and see how it goes and close the schools in areas the need to be closed. You know like what South Korea in case of Seul are doing. But no apparently we shouldn't even open the schools...


  • #4467
    isup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭isup


    meeeeh wrote: »
    And what level of infection is acceptable to open schools? Just trying to figure out your scientific expertise on the issue. So at how many people per 100k is safe or not safe to open schools?

    Was thinking this myself. It seems like when the cases go up it's still full steam ahead. There's sould be a number. It feels like they are being paid to keep their "plan" on track. No mention of the what ifs. No acknowledgment of people beyond the students.


  • #4468
    Kattunge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Kattunge


    Just happened upon this thread. We’re returning to school next week. We had a Croke Park Day last Friday. To be fair, the principal and Middle Management Team had done trojan work during the lockdown to get the school ready. Some of the teachers ran a Summer Camp in early August and it gave us a lot of pointers about potential areas of concern. It’s not going to be a typical school year for sure (e.g we decided on no homework for September) but think it’s really important to get our children back to school. Safety will the number 1 concern.


  • #4469
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    meeeeh wrote: »
    So because there is a spread in Seul we shouldn't open schools in Ireland. And you are going on about cherry picking... What about we open schools like any normal country wil this autumn and see how it goes and close the schools in areas the need to be closed. You know like what South Korea in case of Seul are doing. But no apparently we shouldn't even open the schools...

    Very reactionary thinking. And for the millionth time on this thread... schools should open but in a much smarter, science led manner of which there are many examples of throughout the world.
    Why is this such a difficult concept for so many.


  • #4470
    scrubs33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭scrubs33


    Boggles wrote: »
    You are looking at it too myopically.

    If schools contribute to the reseeding of the virus in numerous locations countrywide, it gets to a point where public health will declare them unsafe in their current form, you don't wait for a domino effect during a global pandemic.

    Or at least they should if that happens, which it will.

    We are sending 1.1 million humans back indoors with all the millions of movements and interactions that come with that based on ignoring science and cherry picking best case scenarios from very limited studies.

    I mean Norma isn't a complete moron, there is a very valid reason she has turned into one of Ireland's greatest ever hide and seek champions.

    I think this is a very important point. Given how fearful we are of community transmission would it not make sense to fight this on one front rather than opening up a new battle ground in schools(apologies for the military metaphor: too many documentaries watched over weekend) Stagger the return maybe exam classes first, see what’s happening and take it from there. From Sept 1 I think all classes in all schools will be back so I’m thinking the work I did on my blended learning plan won’t go astray. Of course I’m hoping beyond hope that everything goes well.


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  • #4471
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    iguana wrote: »
    In addition to that "Only Seoul" has a significantly larger population than all of Ireland.

    It has also significantly higher population density. Ireland is incredibly scarcely populated country so there are a lot less risk. I'm sure you are also aware that number of cases per 100k disadvantages small countries and there are many points raised it's not really great comparison. Just since we are making comparisons. (Korea also has 0 covid policy which Ireland and most of Europe don't).


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