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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    MD1990 wrote: »
    New York doing very well now.


    Showing signs of herd immunity I hope.

    https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1297920701693820928

    Does herd immunity not need to be on a much larger scale?

    So let's say 80% of NY have been infected and recovered and 20% never caught it, but there's flip all going around so far less likely to catch it, i.e. herd immunity. But NY isn't a closed ecosystem, so as soon as travel becomes frequent, those 20% are still susceptible elsewhere? It would be needed on a worldwide basis, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Taxi driver in US who's covid conspiracies went viral has lost his wife to the disease.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Does herd immunity not need to be on a much larger scale?

    So let's say 80% of NY have been infected and recovered and 20% never caught it, but there's flip all going around so far less likely to catch it, i.e. herd immunity. But NY isn't a closed ecosystem, so as soon as travel becomes frequent, those 20% are still susceptible elsewhere? It would be needed on a worldwide basis, no?

    Herd immunity does not protect the individual, but the community. Any outbreaks will quickly dissipate but will still occur


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Does herd immunity not need to be on a much larger scale?

    So let's say 80% of NY have been infected and recovered and 20% never caught it, but there's flip all going around so far less likely to catch it, i.e. herd immunity. But NY isn't a closed ecosystem, so as soon as travel becomes frequent, those 20% are still susceptible elsewhere? It would be needed on a worldwide basis, no?


    https://www.livescience.com/herd-immunity.html
    quote But there is another way to achieve herd immunity. If the pathogen in question causes lifelong immunity in those it infects, and is allowed to spread more or less unchecked, infection rates will increase exponentially and then naturally flatten, decline and disappear as more people catch the disease, recover and become immune to reinfection — all without introducing a vaccine.
    This method is far less reliable, however, for two reasons.
    First, it only works within a relatively closed population in which new, unexposed individuals are not constantly arriving to provide fodder for hungry pathogens. Even isolated communities are not entirely safe from this risk, because "children are not born with immunity," Hunter said. "Many diseases that we would expect to die out because of herd immunity stay around because there are just enough newborns coming into the population to keep the disease going."

    Second, herd immunity by acquired infection only takes hold if a sufficient proportion of the population actually contracts the disease,this is not a foregone conclusion....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    blade1 wrote: »
    Taxi driver in US who's covid conspiracies went viral has lost his wife to the disease.
    You'd have sympathy for utterly convinced people like him when they realise how horribly wrong they were


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,952 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Have we not had the mysterious texter's daily tally yet?

    I'm not mysterious in anyway,
    I put today's numbers up this morning,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You'd have sympathy for utterly convinced people like him when they realise how horribly wrong they were

    Some.
    I'd have more sympathy for anyone that possibly got infected by them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You'd have sympathy for utterly convinced people like him when they realise how horribly wrong they were
    He may not. These people often go the other way, he might start claiming she was poisoned in order to make a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    I'm not mysterious in anyway,
    I put today's numbers up this morning,

    You're the new Banksy! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭amandstu


    seamus wrote: »
    He may not. These people often go the other way, he might start claiming she was poisoned in order to make a point.

    "Brian told BBC News that he “wished [he’d] listened from the beginning” and hoped his wife would forgive him
    “This is a real virus that affects people differently. I can't change the past I can only live in today and make better choices for the future,” Brian explained.""


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I’m not against vaccines.
    But I won’t be in a rush to get this one when it comes out.

    The political pressure on the FDA in the US to approve a vaccine before the election is immense, the money to be made by pharma companies by bringing a vaccine to market is even bigger, it’s a win win for big business to be out first.

    Long established protocols and procedures for new medicines will be bypassed, and that’s fine in this instance, but I’m a strong healthy person not in high risk, so I’m gonna wait a while.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m not against vaccines.
    But I won’t be in a rush to get this one when it comes out.

    The political pressure on the FDA in the US to approve a vaccine before the election is immense, the money to be made by pharma companies by bringing a vaccine to market is even bigger, it’s a win win for big business to be out first.

    Long established protocols and procedures for new medicines will be bypassed, and that’s fine in this instance, but I’m a strong healthy person not in high risk, so I’m gonna wait a while.

    Its a good thing the FDA don't approve our vaccines then isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    AdamD wrote: »
    Its a good thing the FDA don't approve our vaccines then isn't it?

    It is, but the EMA will be under a lot of pressure if the US start rolling out one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    wadacrack wrote: »

    how is this good news exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,231 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    147 cases today folks
    73 in Dublin
    17 kildare
    12 offaly
    11 Wicklow
    4 Laois

    Dublin for lockdown?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Dublin for lockdown?

    No chance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Dublin for lockdown?

    Ah sure it will be an Irish lockdown where people can still travel in or out for work reasons or to collect personal items


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,308 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    khalessi wrote: »
    Ah sure it will be an Irish lockdown where people can still travel in or out for work reasons or to collect personal items


    Yes "Sorry Guard, I left me notepad on The Blaskets", road trip here I come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Tests carried out the last 3 weeks = 133506
    Cases the last three weeks = 1839

    Be interesting to see how those numbers match up with the next three weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Time to start living like the world is over? What you think?

    No not at all, but it may well be time to stop thinking herd immunity is achievable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Another factory outbreak at APB Monaghan by the looks of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Is press briefing online


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    froog wrote: »
    how is this good news exactly?

    2) Patient had no detectable antibody at the time of reinfection but developed detectable antibody after reinfection. This is encouraging. (3/n)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Is there a press briefing this evening? They seem to have become a bit hit and miss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    wadacrack wrote: »
    2) Patient had no detectable antibody at the time of reinfection but developed detectable antibody after reinfection. This is encouraging. (3/n)

    does this suggest that while the antibodies were short lived after the first infection, his t-cells were ready to manufacture antibodies when reinfected? which would be great news.

    or are we just seeing two completely different infections - immune responses unrelated to each other? which would not be good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    I tested positive for covid but tested negative for antibodies.

    My friend tested negative for covid but tested positive for antibodies.

    Explain that one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,058 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey



    That's good a lot more than that were expected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,058 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    theballz wrote: »
    I tested positive for covid but tested negative for antibodies.

    My friend tested negative for covid but tested positive for antibodies.

    Explain that one

    Tests are 70% accurate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Seamai wrote: »
    Is there a press briefing this evening? They seem to have become a bit hit and miss.

    Yup.


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