2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Leroy42 · 24-08-2020 11:35AM

Biker79 wrote: »

He was voted in under a fair system by a majority within your country, so absolutely you do have an obligation to support that. Under a generally accepted citizen contract. Same anywhere.

So what do you mean by "an obligation to support that".

He is POTUS, has been afforded everything that entails

I'm confused by what point you are trying to make if it isn't about people supporting him.

Sonics2k · 24-08-2020 11:39AM

Biker79 wrote: »

Did he win under a free, fair and legal system?

Exactly. Thats all that matters.

Oh he absolutely did, I'm not contesting that (okay maybe the bit about fair). What I'm contesting is your claim that he won the majority of votes, which he didn't.

Igotadose · 24-08-2020 11:39AM

Biker79 wrote: »

He was voted in under a fair system by a majority within your country, so absolutely you do have an obligation to support that. Under a generally accepted citizen contract. Same anywhere.

And, like other countries do, we support the decision made by the process. I support the fact that Micheal Martin is my Taoiseach. I wouldn't vote for him, or his party, in a million years and I'm hoping the government collapses soon and if there are ways I can legally support bringing that on sooner, I'm all in.

The person, no. We have no duty to support the individual. I've agreed to obey the laws of the US and Ireland. That's really it.

24-08-2020 12:17PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no black heart required to think that trump is a terrible person and totally unfit to be president.

That's the whole thing in a nutshell right there. He can't be trusted to run a charity, but hey let's put him in charge of the country!

LuckyLloyd · 24-08-2020 01:58PM

@Biker79: what is your opinion on the GOP not having any policy platform to present at the convention next week? Are you disappointed that the furthering of the free market and destruction of "leftists" is not codified into a coherent set of policies and political initiatives?

Outlaw Pete · 24-08-2020 02:06PM

I wonder if CNN / MSDNC will ask Biden dozens of times if he disavows Richard Spencer given he's said he supports him for office:

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1297439514244214784

...given that's what they did when Duke said he'd vote for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeK-f3_7Wv4

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 02:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the whole thing in a nutshell right there. He can't be trusted to run a charity, but hey let's put him in charge of the country!

he couldn't be trusted to run a lemonade stand.

Overheal · 24-08-2020 02:23PM

People have no idea what to make of the RNC any more - even the people the RNC normally pays to make sense of things for it.

The morning after the Republican National Committee announced that the party convention this year will have no platform — aside from “enthusiastically supporting” President Donald Trump — a renowned chronicler of the GOP’s evolution published a lengthy piece examining how we got here.

In Tim Alberta’s well-timed Politico piece — “The Grand Old Meltdown” — he turns to famed Republican pollster Frank Luntz for an explanation of what the Party stands for in the era of Trump devotion, lib owning and mainstream media bashing.

“I decided to call Frank Luntz,” Alberta writes, after he struggled to answer that question without invoking the culture wars cliché. “Perhaps no person alive has spent more time polling Republican voters and counseling Republican politicians than Luntz, the 58-year-old focus group guru. His research on policy and messaging has informed a generation of GOP lawmakers. His ability to translate between D.C. and the provinces—connecting the concerns of everyday people to their representatives in power—has been unsurpassed. If anyone had an answer, it would be Luntz.”

But Luntz — a frequent and voluble presence on cable news — does not have much of an answer. From Politico:

“You know I don’t have a history of dodging questions. But I don’t know how to answer that. There is no consistent philosophy,” Luntz responded. “You can’t say it’s about making America great again at a time of Covid and economic distress and social unrest. It’s just not credible.”

Luntz thought for a moment. “I think it’s about promoting—” he stopped suddenly. “But I can’t, I don’t—” he took a pause. “That’s the best I can do.”

When I pressed, Luntz sounded as exasperated as the student whose question I was relaying. “Look, I’m the one guy who’s going to give you a straight answer. I don’t give a ****—I had a stroke in January, so there’s nothing anyone can do to me to make my life suck,” he said. “I’ve tried to give you an answer and I can’t do it. You can ask it any different way. But I don’t know the answer. For the first time in my life, I don’t know the answer.”

Alberta lands on a more acute answer: “It can now safely be said, as his first term in the White House draws toward closure, that Donald Trump’s party is the very definition of a cult of personality. It stands for no special ideal. It possesses no organizing principle. It represents no detailed vision for governing.”

“If it agitates the base, if it lights up a Fox News chyron, if it serves to alienate sturdy real Americans from delicate coastal elites, then it’s got a place in the Grand Old Party,” he writes.

Brendan Buck, a former top aide to Paul Ryan (R-WI), seems to agree. “Owning the libs and pissing off the media,” he tells Politico. “That’s what we believe in now. There’s really not much more to it.”

Read the full analysis here…

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/frank-luntz-struggles-to-say-what-gop-stands-for-under-trump-there-is-no-consistent-philosophy/

Biker79 · 24-08-2020 02:28PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

@Biker79: what is your opinion on the GOP not having any policy platform to present at the convention next week? Are you disappointed that the furthering of the free market and destruction of "leftists" is not codified into a coherent set of policies and political initiatives?

I have no opinion. However, I expect that when I do dive into the reasoning behind it, that I will be in full agreement.

Not sure I agree with your terminology ' destruction of leftists '.

Nice try though.

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 02:30PM

Biker79 wrote: »

I have no opinion. However, I expect that when I do dive into the reasoning behind it, that I will be in full agreement.

Not sure I agree with your terminology ' destruction of leftists '.

Nice try though.

that is cultist talk.

joseywhales · 24-08-2020 02:35PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

@Biker79: what is your opinion on the GOP not having any policy platform to present at the convention next week? Are you disappointed that the furthering of the free market and destruction of "leftists" is not codified into a coherent set of policies and political initiatives?

I'm genuinely irked by the idea, not just by biker here, that republicans are the party that supports a free market ideology.

It's comical, they support a free market for the intermittent periods that it enriches their interests.

I'll be paying tax for the rest of my life to bailout a cruise industry, that nobody wants anymore and that was environmentally devastating as well as exploitative of open sea labour laws for sh*t holidays with no freedom. This is the free market eh?

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 02:39PM

joseywhales wrote: »

I'm genuinely irked by the idea, not just by biker here, that republicans are the party that supports a free market ideology.

It's comical, they support a free market for the intermittent periods that it enriches their interests.

I'll be paying tax for the rest of my life to bailout a cruise industry, that nobody wants anymore and that was environmentally devastating as well as exploitative of open sea labour laws for sh*t holidays with no freedom. This is the free market eh?

all sounds a bit communist that

duploelabs · 24-08-2020 02:41PM

Biker79 wrote: »

I have no opinion. However, I expect that when I do dive into the reasoning behind it, that I will be in full agreement.

Not sure I agree with your terminology ' destruction of leftists '.

Nice try though.

Another waffle response

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-08-2020 03:07PM

Biker79 wrote: »

He was voted in under a fair system by a majority within your country, so absolutely you do have an obligation to support that. Under a generally accepted citizen contract. Same anywhere.

Obama was voted in by a majority, did #IMPOTUS support Obama during his eight years as president?

mcmoustache · 24-08-2020 03:10PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I wonder if CNN / MSDNC will ask Biden dozens of times if he disavows Richard Spencer given he's said he supports him for office:

The Biden Campaign responded promptly and unequivocally:

https://twitter.com/AndrewBatesNC/status/1297739715056144385

See how easy that was? It took Trump a few attempts over multiple days to properly disavow Duke. If I remember correctly, the first time that Trump was asked about Duke, he pretended not to know who he was.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-08-2020 03:17PM

Biker79 wrote: »

I have no opinion. However, I expect that when I do dive into the reasoning behind it, that I will be in full agreement.

Not sure I agree with your terminology ' destruction of leftists '.

Nice try though.

So no matter what Trump says you will agree with him? This is the response I would expect from a brainwashed scientologist or such.

You have my pity.

weisses · 24-08-2020 03:29PM

Biker79 wrote: »

I have no opinion. However, I expect that when I do dive into the reasoning behind it, that I will be in full agreement.

Just as your leader wants

Billy Mays · 24-08-2020 03:30PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He didn't mock the disabled reporter for being disabled (which is of course what you're implying) he mocked him for being incompetent and did so using the same mannerisms he had used to mock others in the past. It's just one of the well trotted out lies from the left that refuses to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhCvx86fxg

How many times have you posted that video now?

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 03:37PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

How many times have you posted that video now?

maybe if it is posted enough times then some people might be honest enough to admit what it is that trump is doing?

24-08-2020 03:45PM

weisses wrote: »

Just as your leader wants

I'm imagining a parade of golf carts bearing posters of Trump around mar a lago whenever he kicks the bucket.

Leroy42 · 24-08-2020 03:49PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe if it is posted enough times then some people might be honest enough to admit what it is that trump is doing?

And if it was the only time he had belittled or mocked another person then you might well have a point.

But it is Trumps natural go to. He mocks them. This time he choose to mock the disability, bit he has mocked people for their looks, their intelligence, they bias, their professionalism, their failures in life, their friends, their family, their religion, their sex, their size.

This one time, just this once, Trump just happened to minic the exact disability but didn't mean it?

Fine if you want to believe that, but how do you deal with all the other examples?

If your child did that to the disabled child in their school, club or whatever I hope you wouldn't simply excuse it as you do.

Muahahaha · 24-08-2020 03:50PM

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 03:51PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And if it was the only time he had belittled or mocked another person then you might well have a point.

But it is Trumps natural go to. He mocks them. This time he choose to mock the disability, bit he has mocked people for their looks, their intelligence, they bias, their professionalism, their failures in life, their friends, their family, their religion, their sex, their size.

This one time, just this once, Trump just happened to minic the exact disability but didn't mean it?

Fine if you want to believe that, but how do you deal with all the other examples?

If your child did that to the disabled child in their school, club or whatever I hope you wouldn't simply excuse it as you do.

sorry, you think i am excusing trumps behaviour? take another shot there chief.

Igotadose · 24-08-2020 03:56PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

What, no Scott Baio? Where's Chachi?!!

No Diamond and Silk? And what about the demon sperm doctor, I thought she was speaking, too!

gmisk · 24-08-2020 03:57PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

Christ that is grim.
No shock at Dana White he is a big Trump supporter I think I read he donated over a million dollars to a pro trump super PAC before.

In fairness it's not as if Trump got a lot of big names for his inauguration or a big crowd for that matter...

Professor Moriarty · 24-08-2020 04:01PM

Igotadose wrote: »

What, no Scott Baio? Where's Chachi?!!

No Diamond and Silk? And what about the demon sperm doctor, I thought she was speaking, too!

What about Michael Flynn? Michael Cohen? Steve Bannon? Roger Stone? Paul Manafort? Where are these guys?

Penn · 24-08-2020 04:04PM

I think John Barron and David Dennison are due to speak at the convention too.

Cody montana · 24-08-2020 04:07PM

What are the odds one of the speakers will get arrested this week?
I would imagine fairly high.

gmisk · 24-08-2020 04:08PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What about Michael Flynn? Michael Cohen? Steve Bannon? Roger Stone? Paul Manafort? Where are these guys?

John bolton? Anthony scaramucci?

Leroy42 · 24-08-2020 04:20PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sorry, you think i am excusing trumps behaviour? take another shot there chief.

For you read "one".

I used your quote to give context to my post.

Apologies for not making that clearer

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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