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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #242
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Really doesn't make any sense, so when a child catches it at home and comes into school they aren't spreading it to other children? And then those children aren't bringing it home and spreading it to their parents?

    I would imagine height is a natural defense from young kids spreading it.

    Even standing beside an adult they would already be at least 1m away.


  • #243
    nw1dqsv7amx026
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭nw1dqsv7amx026


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Really doesn't make any sense, so when a child catches it at home and comes into school they aren't spreading it to other children? And then those children aren't bringing it home and spreading it to their parents?

    I agree, makes no sense.
    But kids need school so they are fudging it.


  • #244
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Really doesn't make any sense, so when a child catches it at home and comes into school they aren't spreading it to other children? And then those children aren't bringing it home and spreading it to their parents?
    I think it was only two weeks in to school when the report came out, so not surprising that kids who were positive by that stage would be bringing it from home - I suspect if it were left longer, more transmission between kids would show up - however, I'd not stand over that theory until I saw the report from which the initial conclusions were drawn.


  • #245
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Kara Strong Self-reliance wrote: »
    Well I suppose they are just as sensible as the Irish response.

    If the loons are on your side of the argument, might be no harm ask a few questions


  • #246
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,241 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    ongarite wrote: »
    Seems to be a large outbreak in Antrim.
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What kind of an outbreak?

    Food Factory?
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #247
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    If the loons are on your side of the argument, might be no harm ask a few questions

    They are arguing against Jim Corr et al. so they actually arent on the side of the loons.


  • #248
    kksaints
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭kksaints


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Food Factory?

    Meat Processing plant.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/meat-plant-closed-northern-ireland-covid-5181554-Aug2020/


  • #249
    nw1dqsv7amx026
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭nw1dqsv7amx026


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    If the loons are on your side of the argument, might be no harm ask a few questions

    Except they don't ask questions. Ignorance is bliss.


  • #250
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Steve F wrote: »
    Does everyone believe that the only reason so few now are dying when they catch this virus is purely down to the age group now affected most?
    Or is it something else?
    Better treatment?
    Virus mutating?
    Virus becoming less potent?
    What?

    Mostly young people being infected atm the biggest factor. Treatment has improved and should help when more vulnerable people become infected. No evidence that the virus has mutated or is less potent


  • #251
    nw1dqsv7amx026
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭nw1dqsv7amx026


    Kara Strong Self-reliance wrote: »
    Except they don't ask questions. Ignorance is bliss.

    Although that said, I've always thought Jim Corr was a bit off also.


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  • #252
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    If the loons are on your side of the argument, might be no harm ask a few questions
    Like Jim Corr and the homeopath who says vaccines cause autism?


  • #253
    nw1dqsv7amx026
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭nw1dqsv7amx026


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Like Jim Corr and the homeopath who says vaccines cause autism?

    Yep, them too.


  • #254
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    If the loons are on your side of the argument, might be no harm ask a few questions

    Sinead has undoubtedly had her many moments of madness and trouble, but she has also been a fierce and willful independent woman of enormous talent who has endured a great deal, spoken some harsh truths, and has added incredible beauty to this world with her voice. More than I would say any of us here on this thread could dream of. Say no more bad about her unless you want me on your case.


  • #255
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Sinead has undoubtedly had her many moments of madness and trouble, but she has also been a fierce and willful independent woman of enormous talent who has endured a great deal, spoken some harsh truths, and has added incredible beauty to this world with her voice. More than I would say any of us here on this thread could dream of. Say no more bad about her unless you want me on your case.

    Okay. Can't agree at all but you're entitled to your opinion.


  • #256
    nw1dqsv7amx026
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭nw1dqsv7amx026


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Sinead has undoubtedly had her many moments of madness and trouble, but she has also been a fierce and willful independent woman of enormous talent who has endured a great deal, spoken some harsh truths, and has added incredible beauty to this world with her voice. More than I would say any of us here on this thread could dream of. Say no more bad about her unless you want me on your case.

    So who's more talented, Jedward or Sinead?
    :)


  • #257
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,241 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Like Jim Corr and the homeopath who says vaccines cause autism?

    Jim Corr should runaway
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #258
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kara Strong Self-reliance wrote: »
    So who's more talented, Jedward or Sinead?
    :)

    Foster & Allen


  • #259
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Really doesn't make any sense, so when a child catches it at home and comes into school they aren't spreading it to other children? And then those children aren't bringing it home and spreading it to their parents?

    Yeah doesn't really make sense to me either. Lot's of cases in Hamburg. Not being reported widely either. Here's a link to a local paper with google translate.
    Sounds like the news is being suppressed.

    Infections were found in 38 schools and eleven classes in quarantine. Authority calls numbers "not very worrying".

    Eleven school classes in Hamburg in quarantine

    Currently, a total of eleven classes or sub-classes are in precautionary quarantine - according to the authorities, 9538 classes at general schools, plus vocational schools, which statistically did not record any classes. "The number of people infected with corona at Hamburg's schools is still very low and the overall development is not very worrying."

    Infected takes part in classes - no quarantine for classmates

    For example, there was a case at a district school in which an infected 11th grade pupil had attended class. Nevertheless, classmates were neither tested nor quarantined. The Eimsbüttel district office justified this with the fact that there had been no close contact (at least 15 minutes without a distance of 1.50 meters) with the student.


    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/kommunales/article230193054/Corona-Schule-Hamburg-Infektionen-55-Unterricht-Quarantaene-Mitschueler-Virus-Test-Reise-Rueckehrer.html&prev=search&pto=aue

    https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/kommunales/article230193054/Corona-Schule-Hamburg-Infektionen-55-Unterricht-Quarantaene-Mitschueler-Virus-Test-Reise-Rueckehrer.html

    Another story.
    Almost all corona cases at Hamburg's schools are return travelers

    In almost all of the total of 26 cases, it is a question of returning travelers who became infected during the holidays and reported this before entering the school. Therefore, apart from the quarantine measures mentioned at the two schools in Schnelsen and Volksdorf, no further consequences for the school operation were necessary.

    Handling of suspected corona cases not clearly regulated

    The school authorities said that this approach contravened their guidelines. Hamburg's schools should inform the responsible health department of suspected corona cases and confirmed infections, which will then decide on measures.

    Apart from that, the school authority does not provide a detailed schedule of how schools should proceed in cases of suspected infection or infection. The health authorities are qualified to assess such cases. Admittedly, it takes time to make a decision. But that is still better than when school administrators make a decision “from the gut”.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article230140570/Corona-Hamburg-Schule-Infiziert-Schueler-Maskenpflicht-Unterricht-Verdacht.html&usg=ALkJrhgnZj9H5E9Mz62lY5KbmNXAGTzeHg


  • #260
    Spanish Eyes
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What kind of an outbreak?

    Infectious Flegs


  • #261
    Spanish Eyes
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    It will never end.

    We have to learn to live with this and take precautions.


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  • #262
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Sinead has undoubtedly had her many moments of madness and trouble, but she has also been a fierce and willful independent woman of enormous talent who has endured a great deal, spoken some harsh truths, and has added incredible beauty to this world with her voice. More than I would say any of us here on this thread could dream of. Say no more bad about her unless you want me on your case.

    I'd agree with the voice part, utterly beautiful.

    As regards the idle threat at the end, you sound like a total bolix saying something like that.


  • #263
    Spanish Eyes
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Northern Ireland last 7 days

    Sun 16th - 27
    Mon 17th - 39
    Tue 18th - 41
    Wed 19th - 34
    Thu 20th - 51
    Fri 21st - 20
    Sat 22nd - 71
    Sun 23rd - 119

    Woops for today up there, but tbh I couldn't give a monkeys for NI, they don't care about ROI anyway much either.

    Sad that there is no cross jurisdiction approach. But it will ever be thus.

    Them and us. And the Flegs.


  • #264
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing although I'll have to discount nearly everything you say on account of the fact you have a vested interest in getting back to "normal".
    I'd be the same if I were in your shoes. People taking precautions to not catch a novel virus probably impacts your business. Calling doctors bastards must be very cathartic.

    Don’t we all have a ‘vested interest’ in getting back to normal or are you secretly enjoying all this drama?

    The fact that my business is on its knees somehow discounts my opinion? Am I not worthy in your eyes? You think you are morally superior to me? How smug of you. You think I deserve to lose my livelihood and possibly my home?

    It’s not ‘people taking precautions to not catch a novel virus’ that’s killing my business, it’s the inconsistent, illogical, ill defined and ambiguous directives from Government. We can work with directives as long as they are logical and applicable.

    The doctor I called a ‘bastard’ publicly called for all the attendees of that golf function to not only lose their jobs but also to never work in public life again. Think about that.

    Sneering at someone who is suffering a really stressful time because of this situation ‘must be very cathartic’.


  • #265
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    119 new cases in Northern Ireland.

    That would be equivalent of a 300 plus day for us


  • #266
    Gruffalux
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    Kara Strong Self-reliance wrote: »
    So who's more talented, Jedward or Sinead?
    :)

    Missed the joy of ever hearing Jedward sing.


  • #267
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,018 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    The answer to that question goes far beyond Covid testing, and cannot be addressed in a matter of weeks.

    There needs to be more investment at third level for incoming laboratory staff. Too many garduates are going into pharmaceuticals, post grad med, research rather than working in hospital labs because the money and conditions continue to deteriorate and have done for years.

    A lab aide (who only needs a LC qualification) earns more than a newly qualified Medical Scientist, who has done 4/5 years to earn their degree and will work on their own on call with serious responsibility for patient care.

    Hospital labs get a miniscule fraction of the hospital bugdet yet diagnostic tests are central to patient care, as well as patient samples from GPs. Workload increases every single year and posts from retiring staff are not filled.

    Covid testing was thrown into the mix, with no investment other than, here's some money, just get it done and get it done by next week. I think it was St. Vincents that set up their Covid area in a converted store room.

    Now every Tom, Dick and Harry are giving their 2 cents worth about testing despite not knowing a thing about it a few months ago.

    Why dont we just test everyone every week. Then we can go to the pub and everything will be fine. Why has no one thought of that. Just add a drop of spit to a piece of paper, job done. Cheap, easy, simple.

    I'm not trying to s*it on every new test that is reported on. If it works, great. But i have yet to see any reliable reputable test that is not just used in research labs, and not promoted by the people who are selling it.

    Totally agree .
    Same with nursing , teaching and a lot of public service professions .
    When we were on strike last year for more pay there were people on here spinning the government line about how well we were paid and couldn't understand that nurses were degree and masters level , and deserved to be paid for those qualifications.
    It takes a crisis like the one we are in for people to twig that these areas need funding and pay needs to be good enough to attract graduates and keep them in these areas .
    and without it we are just playing catch up all the time .
    Countries like Germany and the Nordic countries have this sussed and that is why their health and public service system actually works .
    No point blaming the people working in the system if they don't have the resources to handle the increased emergency load , if you have been cutting back pay and staffing levels for the previous 20 years .
    It's not going to be sorted any time soon never mind in the next few weeks , with the best will in the world.
    Best of luck .


  • #268
    plodder
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    Ohmeha wrote: »
    We've seen growing cases since the 80 announced on July 30th and there is no consistent evidence in our numbers yet that growth is slowing down. Past 6 days in a row of the 7 day average cases settling in the 101 to 111 range with one day of large numbers followed by a substantial drop before going back up again.

    Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
    Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
    Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
    Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
    Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
    Friday August 7th 98 58.00
    Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
    Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
    Monday August 10th 57 80.14
    Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
    Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
    Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
    Friday August 14th 67 76.14
    Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
    Sunday August 16th 66 79.57
    Monday August 17th 56 79.43
    Tuesday August 18th 190 101.57
    Wednesday August 19th 54 103.57
    Thursday August 20th 136 109.86
    Friday August 21st 79 111.57
    Saturday August 22nd 156 105.29
    Sunday August 23rd 61 104.57
    I was looking for these stats before. It's a pity they aren't published by the government (in this accessible form). It does show that while cases are rising, it's not quite the sudden explosion that some would have you believe, and certainly not justification for any knee-jerk reactions.


  • #269
    Goldengirl
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    The CMO said it was really not an effective use of resources. Even a cheap one would also be hugely costly.

    I wasn't asking about quick tests , just generally what to the laboratory staff need / wish for , in an ideal world :)


  • #270
    Goldengirl
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Young people believing it’s way more deadly than it is screams caution. No? People who aren’t taking it seriously would underestimate deaths, not overestimate.

    No , it's just pick a number they have read on Twitter or Instagram .
    Most people in this age group believe they are invincible whatever the statistics .


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  • #271
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Really doesn't make any sense, so when a child catches it at home and comes into school they aren't spreading it to other children? And then those children aren't bringing it home and spreading it to their parents?

    It does. It makes perfect sense. You see when the child is at home, they are exposed to dirty disease ridden parents carrying all sorts of germs and illnesses.

    But for those magical hours when you cast your offspring into the loving arms of mother state, the forcefield takes hold. No harm could possibly become of your little dears in such an environment.

    For bonus protection points, most such facilities remain under the watchful eye of our ever loving church.


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