How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Blondini · 23-08-2020 05:13PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hearing numerous stories of teachers who belong in the 'very high risk' category as defined by the HSE being redesignated as just 'high risk' by Medmark. One of these is a colleague of mine.

Very much seems to be a concerted campaign to force every teacher/SNA regardless of their health back to work. Absolute horrendous attitude being shown to them.

I can personally confirm this is true.

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 05:14PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

A direct quote from the report follows;

He said he could offer "a great deal of assurance" to people that the virus would not spread from schools back home to vulnerable people.

He said there is very little evidence internationally that schools are a major site of transmission or spread of Covid-19. He said children can get the disease, but they are contracting it more so at home than elsewhere.

Kids contract the virus at home. They then go to school. But by some weird magic they do not infect other children in school. Who in turn do not infect their households.

He is saying, I'm sure you'll correct me because you think I'm wrong, that children only contract C19 in the home and when they go to school they will not infect those around them.

Edit; He's not a liar. But he's not being truthful and is using language in an attempt to assuage genuine fears.

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

But yes I should rather listen xy on Internet because they know so much better. There is a bit of 'trust me I am a teacher' in this argument.

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 05:16PM

meeeeh wrote: »

So basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

And there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary, flip a coin, take a chance, it's only our kids and their families lives in the balance

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:17PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

But tes I should rather listen xy on Internet because they know so much better.

Conversely, the mathematics are very simple.

Infection likelihood is a function of how many people you meet and how many people they meet and so on and obviously the infection level of the community.

That blows any home vs. school argument to smithereens.

Arguing otherwise is nonsense.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:18PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

But yes I should rather listen xy on Internet because they know so much better. There is a bit of 'trust me I am a teacher' in this argument.

Trust me because I'm not speaking on behalf of the government.

PowerToWait · 23-08-2020 05:19PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

Ok, accepting your assertion that younger children do not infect other children (I'm dubious and haven't seen much to back that up to be fair) at what point do they become just like the rest of the human species and start spreading it?

Humans in Ireland generally attend school until the age of 18/19.

23-08-2020 05:22PM

Blondini wrote: »

I can personally confirm this is true.

I can also confirm this is true.

I am not a teacher, and have no school age children. But I am friends with a teacher who is very high risk, (with more than one condition) and she is distraught that Medmark have said she can go back to work.

She is literally terrified, and seriously considering resigning, rather then return to a dangerous situation.

Treppen · 23-08-2020 05:22PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

But yes I should rather listen xy on Internet because they know so much better. There is a bit of 'trust me I am a teacher' in this argument.

"They are contracting it moreso at home than anywhere else"... Thats because that's where kids have been since march moreso than anywhere else?

You can't really do studies of kids contacting Covid in schools... Because they haven't been in schools.

In other news.... Children like ice cream and umbrella sales will rise during the winter.

Spanish Eyes · 23-08-2020 05:22PM

At this stage schools are going back as planned.

Nothing will change this now. Everyone is bricking it. I don't know what to say anymore apart from wait and see. What else can be done?

Treppen · 23-08-2020 05:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage schools are going back as planned.

Nothing will change this now. Everyone is bricking it. I don't know what to say anymore apart from wait and see. What else can be done?

What's the plan for school buses with only 50% capacity?

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 05:25PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Ok, accepting your assertion that younger children do not infect other children (I'm dubious and haven't seen much to back that up to be fair) at what point do they become just like the rest of the human species and start spreading it?

Humans in Ireland generally attend school until the age of 18/19.

Investigations of cases identified in school settings suggest that child to child transmission in schools is uncommon and not the primary cause of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children whose onset of infection coincides with the period during which they are attending school, particularly in preschools and primary schools.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission

It says exactly the same, that there seems to be little spreading between kids. But since it's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control they are probably also on government pay list. Right?

lulublue22 · 23-08-2020 05:25PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Ok, accepting your assertion that younger children do not infect other children (I'm dubious and haven't seen much to back that up to be fair) at what point do they become just like the rest of the human species and start spreading it?

Humans in Ireland generally attend school until the age of 18/19.

Well an 18 year old in secondary school will possibly get it at home but won’t by virtue of attending school really be a vector for the disease. However an 18 year old not attending secondary school is potentially a serious vector who must be very responsible and wear a mask, keep 2 m distance at all times and not mix with more than 6 people from only 3 other households. Jaysis lads it’s not rocket science. :rolleyes:

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 23-08-2020 05:26PM

Treppen wrote: »

What's the plan for school buses with only 50% capacity?

They run as normal (full) until more buses are found

Blondini · 23-08-2020 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can also confirm this is true.

I am not a teacher, and have no school age children. But I am friends with a teacher who is very high risk, (with more than one condition) and she is distraught that Medmark have said she can go back to work.

She is literally terrified, and seriously considering resigning, rather then return to a dangerous situation.

I am not too bad. I won't be medically fit for work according to my GP.

PowerToWait · 23-08-2020 05:27PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage schools are going back as planned.

Nothing will change this now. Everyone is bricking it. I don't know what to say anymore apart from wait and see. What else can be done?

Would you jump out of plane with a parachute you were almost sure would fail?

Or would you hang on a bit and repack it as good as you thought you could?

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 05:27PM

Treppen wrote: »

What's the plan for school buses with only 50% capacity?

You'd imagine that operators will be expected to provide more buses to deal with that.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:27PM

Treppen wrote: »

"They are contracting it moreso at home than anywhere else"... Thats because that's where kids have been since march moreso than anywhere else?

You can't really do studies of kids contacting Covid in schools... Because they haven't been in schools.

In other news.... Children like ice cream and umbrella sales will rise during the winter.

Doing a Bill Clinton.

How to lie with true statements.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:28PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Would you jump out of plane with a parachute you were almost sure would fail?

Or would you hang on a bit and repack it as good as you thought you could?

Many here would if someone told them they won't get paid otherwise.

PowerToWait · 23-08-2020 05:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

You'd imagine that operators will provide more buses to deal with that.

I think they need an extra 1600 buses. That's a ship load of buses. Where will they be conjured from?

Joe Kane · 23-08-2020 05:30PM

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

lulublue22 · 23-08-2020 05:30PM

Blondini wrote: »

I am not too bad. I won't be medically fit for work according to my GP.

I wonder will medmark form a different opinion if they are reclassifying those who met the HSE very high risk criteria to high risk ? If there is a discrepancy between medmark and gp / consultant who has the final say ? Very difficult times for those in the very high risk category.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:30PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I think they need an extra 1600 buses. That's a ship load of buses. Where will they be conjured from?

Makes more sense to try limit the numbers at school but that doesnt solve the objective of getting kids back to education giving parents childcare facilities

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 05:31PM

meeeeh wrote: »

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission

It says exactly the same, that there seems to be little spreading between kids. But since it's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control they are probably also on government pay list. Right?

I am probably talking out my arse a bit here as I don't know the holiday setup for most EU countries, but I'd assume they are in much the same position as us, kids haven't been in school, so there's no data to back up one theory vs another. I know Germany have started sending kids back and it's going horrible and their education system is light years ahead of ours.

vid36 · 23-08-2020 05:31PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Basically he is saying that kids are less likely to get disease from other kids than from adults? I don't know what is hard to understand and in case of smaller kids there a lot of evidence for that.

But yes I should rather listen xy on Internet because they know so much better. There is a bit of 'trust me I am a teacher' in this argument.

Israel and the USA suggests otherwise.

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 05:31PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Would you jump out of plane with a parachute you were almost sure would fail?

Or would you hang on a bit and repack it as good as you thought you could?

I'm pretty sure jumping from a plane without working parachute means certain death. Do you understand the difference in probability?

PowerToWait · 23-08-2020 05:31PM

i_surge wrote: »

Many here would if someone told them they won't get paid otherwise.

Unfortunately for the teachers on the thread and in general, they are being pushed into an experiment which in all likelihood will result in huge outbreaks and likely deaths amongst their colleagues.

But yeah, 'education'.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:31PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

Government will have blood on their hands, clearly forcing this one.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:33PM

Treppen wrote: »

What's the plan for school buses with only 50% capacity?

Buses will be running at full capacity until additional capacity is sourced. That means in reality that nothing will change in most places as the buses aren't there.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:33PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm pretty sure jumping from a plane without working parachute means certain death. Do you understand the difference in probability?

I read a study that if you are wide enough you can slow your descent with natural wind resistance, actually you can get tangled in your parachute and in fact they are more dangerous.

We have to get back to sea level.

Spanish Eyes · 23-08-2020 05:33PM

Apart from the extra school buses required for SD, do all drivers need Garda vetting also? If they can find enough buses and drivers that is.

C'mon Norma we need reassurance here.

Silence.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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