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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #3692
    Elliejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Elliejo


    i_surge wrote: »
    I work for myself, thankfully.

    I have quit other jobs on ethical grounds. So I have put my money where my mouth is where I did have direct skin in the game.

    You are lucky to be able to adapt to working for yourself. I pity the future generations if all school staff decide to do the same. That is what you want, isn't it? You seem very adamant that school staff shouldn't go to work. Strike is your main recommendation.
    Luckily the educators will do their utmost to continue their job in as safe a manner as they possibly can.


  • #3693
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Elliejo wrote: »
    You are lucky to be able to adapt to working for yourself. I pity the future generations if all school staff decide to do the same. That is what you want, isn't it? You seem very adamant that school staff shouldn't go to work. Strike is your main recommendation.
    Luckily the educators will do their utmost to continue their job in as safe a manner as they possibly can.

    It is was a very hard thing to do but I was forced to do it. Skin in the game. Backbone.


  • #3694
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    khalessi wrote: »
    May June Teaching
    Daily contact by phone with most of the kids who wanted it. THey could ring me or ask online for me to ring them
    Also contact with the parents who wanted/needed it, they had my phone number to vent, ask questions, chat.
    I worked up until the last day.

    June July CPD courses and plans for September

    Our one put up "work" once a week(with a note saying don't do it if you don't want to) , often at lunchtime on Monday and answered emails erratically; ie we made sure to contact during school hours only, you might get a reply at 11 at night or the day after if at all.

    The work was done, never seen, no contact beyond those erratic, curt email replies.

    Thankfully the SNA at least kept in contact with regular zoom calls.

    Not all of your profession always paint themselves in a good light tbh.


  • #3695
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Elliejo wrote: »
    You are lucky to be able to adapt to working for yourself. I pity the future generations if all school staff decide to do the same. That is what you want, isn't it? You seem very adamant that school staff shouldn't go to work. Strike is your main recommendation.
    Luckily the educators will do their utmost to continue their job in as safe a manner as they possibly can.

    I want solutions, effective ones.

    By supporting the wrong thing you hinder us from doing the right thing.


  • #3696
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Scoondal wrote: »
    What were schools doing in May and June ?
    Perhaps some people have had a positive experience.
    Could they not have maintained a physical contact for just 2 hours per week for 2 or 3 pupils at a time.
    I saw a huge dis-engagement from my son doing home schooling when I told him in May that there was no more school. He mentally gave up. For an 8 year old, another 4 months after 2 months home schooling is like never.
    And he keeps asking "Daddy, when will coronavirus be gone ?"
    I used to answer "soon". Now I just say "things are getting better".
    Obeying public health advice and following government guidelines. They were not allowed physical contact as you well know.


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  • #3697
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    i_surge wrote: »
    I want solutions, effective ones.

    By supporting the wrong thing you hinder us from doing the right thing.

    US??? Us:confused::confused::confused:


  • #3698
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    i_surge wrote: »
    You misread what I said. Teachers and others, aka you have drank some secret sauce that you can both condemn and entertain the same set of circumstances in the same breath.

    If it is wrong it is wrong.

    There's too much at stake and most won't really have a choice at the end of the day.

    I don't think it's fair to judge if people aren't speaking out or striking, it's hard to know what it's like unless you are in that position yourself.


  • #3699
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    Obeying public health advice and following government guidelines. They were not allowed physical contact as you well know.

    But sure that gets in the way of a good knock off the teachers. Why let the actual facts get in the way of a good old fashioned rant at teachers.


  • #3700
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    khalessi wrote: »
    US??? Us:confused::confused::confused:

    The island of ireland


  • #3701
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    i_surge wrote: »
    The island of ireland

    The same Island of Ireland that hates teachers excellent


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  • #3702
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    But sure that gets in the way of a good knock off the teachers. Why let the actual facts get in the way of a good old fashioned rant at teachers.

    Maybe you are conditioned to abuse from some of the thicker types here but I have no interest in bashing teachers whatsoever.

    I'm bashing this absolutely illogical anti-scientific joke of a plan that is destined to fail and by proxy anyone wilfully going along with it. Nothing personal and it is just my opinion.


  • #3703
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    There's too much at stake and most won't really have a choice at the end of the day.

    I don't think it's fair to judge if people aren't speaking out or striking, it's hard to know what it's like unless you are in that position yourself.

    Ok for someone to quit is a big deal I accept but it would take a lot to come to that.

    Seems that all teachers are pissed off with the plan, so I can't really figure why collective action is seen to be so hard.

    To be silent or a lickarse to get along or to be a denier of the problem (like you) is where the failure is.


  • #3704
    Elliejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Elliejo


    i_surge wrote: »
    I want solutions, effective ones.

    By supporting the wrong thing you hinder us from doing the right thing.

    We all want solutions, effective ones. But striking - which not one single teacher on this thread has suggested or has any interest in - is not a solution. The only time strike is mentioned is either by yourself (frequently) or by somebody teacher-bashing. I am not a teacher but have worked in a school situation for close to 20 years. Once, in that time, was there a day missed due to a teachers strike. One day in close on 20 years. So no, strike is not a decision taken lightly or often.
    Find a better solution.


  • #3705
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    i_surge I for one admire your sense of morality and drive to do the right thing. I think your head and heart are in the right place. We all have skin in this game at the end of the day.


  • #3706
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    i_surge wrote: »
    Ok for someone to quit is a big deal I accept but it would take a lot to come to that.

    Seems that all teachers are pissed off with the plan, so I can't really figure why collective action is seen to be so hard.

    To be silent or a lickarse to get along or to be a denier of the problem (like you) is where the failure is.

    Teachers are anything but silent, listen to the radio recently, read the papers, looked at social media, we are there voicing our concerns.


  • #3707
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Elliejo wrote: »
    We all want solutions, effective ones. But striking - which not one single teacher on this thread has suggested or has any interest in - is not a solution. The only time strike is mentioned is either by yourself (frequently) or by somebody teacher-bashing. I am not a teacher but have worked in a school situation for close to 20 years. Once, in that time, was there a day missed due to a teachers strike. One day in close on 20 years. So no, strike is not a decision taken lightly or often.
    Find a better solution.

    Ok but conversely do you think the plan is good and everyone should engage with it and support it?


  • #3708
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    khalessi wrote: »
    Teachers are anything but silent, listen to the radio recently, read the papers, looked at social media, we are there voicing our concerns.

    And if they fall on deaf ears, you have one more option. I don't see the big deal. You either like the plan or you don't????


  • #3709
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    i_surge wrote: »
    And if they fall on deaf ears, you have one more option. I don't see the big deal. You either like the plan or you don't????

    Of course you don't why would you?


  • #3710
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    irishblessing wrote: »
    i_surge I for one admire your sense of morality and drive to do the right thing. I think your head and heart are in the right place. We all have skin in this game at the end of the day.

    Thanks. It is a lonely road as you can see.

    Most people are all talk and no action.


  • #3711
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    i_surge wrote: »
    Thanks. It is a lonely road as you can see.

    Most people are all talk and no action.

    What action exactly would satisfy you (other than striking)?


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  • #3712
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    Can I ask what about a teacher strike would be a bad thing? Is there no protection for teachers while striking? If someone could point out the issues/fears I'd love to hear them.


  • #3713
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    i_surge wrote: »
    Thanks. It is a lonely road as you can see.

    Most people are all talk and no action.

    Very easy to talk nonsense.

    Listen, email your plan for strike action to info@into.ie and get the ball rolling for everyone. See what that stakeholder thinks.


  • #3714
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Elliejo wrote: »
    We all want solutions, effective ones. But striking - which not one single teacher on this thread has suggested or has any interest in - is not a solution. The only time strike is mentioned is either by yourself (frequently) or by somebody teacher-bashing. I am not a teacher but have worked in a school situation for close to 20 years. Once, in that time, was there a day missed due to a teachers strike. One day in close on 20 years. So no, strike is not a decision taken lightly or often.
    Find a better solution.

    How many times in the period have we had a global pandemic that suddenly brought a possibly mortal risk to teachers and students countrywide plus the collective risk of spreading?

    These are extraordinary times no matter how you spin it.


  • #3715
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    i_surge wrote: »
    Thanks. It is a lonely road as you can see.

    Most people are all talk and no action.

    A lonely road, dont make me laugh. You are calling out for a strike in an area that you dont work in or will affect you. You ignore the fact that teachers are rraising their voices. We have our approach and you have yours. ASTI are questioning tihings and unions are hiding in the long grass, playing the long game.


  • #3716
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Can I ask what about a teacher strike would be a bad thing? Is there no protection for teachers while striking? If someone could point out the issues/fears I'd love to hear them.

    Exactly, thank you


  • #3717
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    hard to believe dail wont reopen till after schools now

    the whole country needs a boost of political confidence at this stage with covid numbers rocketing up again

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0822/1160727-dail-to-be-recalled/


  • #3718
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    What action exactly would satisfy you (other than striking)?

    Anything that forces a redesign of the very poor back to school plan and actually borrowed from best practices learned from the successes and failures elsewhere. Something with at least a veneer of biology to it.

    Not an exercise in semantics about pods and a national guilt trip about "having to do this and that".


  • #3719
    Elliejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Elliejo


    i_surge wrote: »
    Ok but conversely do you think the plan is good and everyone should engage with it and support it?

    Obviously the plan is not ideal. I never said it was, and I do not believe anyone with any intelligence believes it is. But for the moment we are stuck with it as the DES are insisting this is how it will be. Staff have to work with what they have been instructed to do, in the safest way possible for students and adults. And everyone will pull out all the stops to do so.


  • #3720
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Elliejo wrote: »
    Obviously the plan is not ideal. I never said it was, and I do not believe anyone with any intelligence believes it is. But for the moment we are stuck with it as the DES are insisting this is how it will be. Staff have to work with what they have been instructed to do, in the safest way possible for students and adults. And everyone will pull out all the stops to do so.

    So the people with intelligence are complicit in enabling the stupidity of it.

    That is exactly my problem here.


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  • #3721
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    i_surge wrote: »
    How many times in the period have we had a global pandemic that suddenly brought a possibly mortal risk to teachers and students countrywide plus the collective risk of spreading?

    These are extraordinary times no matter how you spin it.

    So teachers lives are more important than mine?

    I've worked all through this pandemic.

    Someone has to or else we all die rapidly.


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