Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

MerlinSouthDub · 21-08-2020 08:44PM

Gael23 wrote: »

WHO suggesting this will be over in 2 years.
Is that realistic

I think it was more optimistic than that. They compared it to the Spanish flu, which lasted 2 years, and said it should be less than that. We are already 6 months into it, so less than 18 months to go.

johnire · 21-08-2020 08:45PM

Can you explain that?

Assetbacked wrote: »

3rd world countries need to be vaccinated? Really?

The people at risk are generally not found in 3rd world countries.

niallo27 · 21-08-2020 08:45PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So those from developing countries are more immune than developed countries?

Or they have bigger problems than covid. They probably couldn't give a **** about it.

DeanAustin · 21-08-2020 08:45PM

PixieValentine wrote: »

He genuinely can’t be fired by Leo or MM though. It’s not up to anyone here, it would have to be the EU. It’s not just that they’re not sacking him because of his position (though I do think Brexit would make that choice incredibly difficult if was up to the Taoiseach or Tanaiste here), it’s that nobody here can fire him. He would have to resign. And can anyone actually see him being willing to do that?

Yeah I get that. It’s a fair point. But I’ve seen a number of posts saying he shouldn’t go because “it wouldn’t be in Ireland’s best interest” or “he’s actually good at his job.”

It’s a hypothetical argument because he won’t resign but neither of those two points should form the basis of anyone’s opinion or else they’re advocating a corrupt society.

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 08:47PM

niallo27 wrote:

Or they have bigger problems than covid. They probably couldn't give a **** about it.

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

BorneTobyWilde · 21-08-2020 08:47PM

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200821155747.htm

INteresitng

Spanish Eyes · 21-08-2020 08:48PM

This is great entertainment no matter who you support.

But for the current Administration it is a disaster.

But It is happening in High Summer and MM is in Courtmac, and Leo couldn't give a sht. either.

Mad stuff but it is the Silly Season when most commentators are away too, hoping nothing happens in their absence.

I reckon they are relying on the peasants to just shrug this off. Huh.

Assetbacked · 21-08-2020 08:52PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So those from developing countries are more immune than developed countries?

No, not what I mean.

Life expectancy is generally under 70 in 3rd world countries, they aren't obese and covid falls down the pecking order of health concerns to the likes of poverty for example.

Marty Bird · 21-08-2020 08:52PM

What a cesspit we all live in. No matter what is said or done at the top its always the same zero accountability.

In this together.. Hold Firm.. makes we want to get sick.

niallo27 · 21-08-2020 08:54PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

What a cesspit we all live in. No matter what is said or done at the top its always the same zero accountability.

In this together.. Hold Firm.. makes we want to get sick.

They have lost the public now, the restrictions mean nothing.

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 08:54PM

Assetbacked wrote:

Life expectancy is generally under 70 in 3rd world countries and covid falls down the pecking order of health concerns to the likes of poverty for example.

Or maybe they just don't have the resources to deal with the virus, I'm sure these countries are terrified of this virus, but their health care systems are simply unable to deal with it, seems that way in India anyway

CalamariFritti · 21-08-2020 08:57PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

Its maybe just on a massively larger scale.

It appears that new cases begin to shallow out and they have 55,000 deaths right now. Thats 0.004% of their population.

I think what he's trying to say is the age structure is different in third world countries. Life expectancy is less.

Assetbacked · 21-08-2020 09:00PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Or maybe they just don't have the resources to deal with the virus, I'm sure these countries are terrified of this virus, but their health care systems are simply unable to deal with it, seems that way in India anyway

There are articles appearing which touch upon herd immunity being close in the likes of New Delhi;

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/millions-infected-coronavirus-delhi-survey-200821102647796.html

Which would render a vaccine pointless.

Vaccine talk is a carrot and stick way of getting the gullible masses to follow government orders a while longer. But it is only necessary for the vulnerable, in the same way the flu vaccine is given to the vulnerable each year.

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 09:00PM

CalamariFritti wrote:

It appears that new cases begin to shallow out and they have 55,000 deaths right now. Thats roughly 0.004% over their population.

But they've been unable to get on top of it, since the breakout, so I'm sure it's a major concern for them, and many other developing countries

Jim_Hodge · 21-08-2020 09:01PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I'm not sure about that now, India seems to be in a lot of trouble with it

India's not a Developing Country

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-08-2020 09:02PM

john4321 wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't a different guy called Gerry Crowley?

Indeed. Jerry Cowley is not on the list I can see.

Assetbacked · 21-08-2020 09:02PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But they've been unable to get on top of it, since the breakout, so I'm sure it's a major concern for them, and many other developing countries

If they can't get on top of it, it will get them to herd immunity very quickly. So a vaccine would be pointless for that reason.

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 09:04PM

Assetbacked wrote:

Vaccine talk is a carrot and stick way of getting the gullible masses to follow government orders a while longer. But it is only necessary for the vulnerable, in the same way the flu vaccine is given to the vulnerable each year.

So our governments are conspiring against us, yea? Noting once again, this is not a flu, this is far more serious than a flu!

CalamariFritti · 21-08-2020 09:05PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But they've been unable to get on top of it, since the breakout, so I'm sure it's a major concern for them, and many other developing countries

The point he was trying to make was that maybe they dont need to get on top of it. Not the way we do anyway. Not with those percentages.

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 09:05PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

India's not a Developing Country

Is it not officially? I'd class it as, or parts of it

Wanderer78 · 21-08-2020 09:06PM

CalamariFritti wrote:

The point he was trying to make was that maybe they dont need to get on top of it. Not the way we do anyway. Not with those percentages.

And my point is, maybe they just don't have the resources to

Jim_Hodge · 21-08-2020 09:06PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is it not officially? I'd class it as, or parts of it

Officially, no. By definition, no.

timsey tiger · 21-08-2020 09:08PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think what he's trying to say is the age structure is different in third world countries. Life expectancy is less.

Think about it for a second. What do they die of? They are not all perfectly healthy running around playing cricket until they die suddenly in their sleep aged 60.

Sh1t kills you a lot earlier when you are poor, we can see that effect, even in Ireland. We can't assume covid mortality levels will be similar for the same age ranges in different countries.

ginoginelli · 21-08-2020 09:08PM

niallo27 wrote: »

They have lost the public now, the restrictions mean nothing.

I dont think that's the case. The politicians may have proved themselves hypocritical and self serving again, but that's nothing new. Most people realize we have to restrict our movements and activities to suppress the virus. Just because calleary and his cronies act the maggot it doesn't mean we have to.

CalamariFritti · 21-08-2020 09:16PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

And my point is, maybe they just don't have the resources to

I'd agree with you they probably don't. But whatever the reason for their in part unhindered spread they had a lot of covid exposure already and while absolute numbers look big within a big population their covid deaths over population % is still very small.

FintanMcluskey · 21-08-2020 09:17PM

johnire wrote: »

Can you explain that?

Citizens of 3rd world countries have genuine problems.

Like the 5 million people who starved to death this year.

Covid is a 1st world problem

Pulsating Star · 21-08-2020 09:23PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Or maybe they just don't have the resources to deal with the virus, I'm sure these countries are terrified of this virus, but their health care systems are simply unable to deal with it, seems that way in India anyway

On a positive note re some of the world’s least resourced countries.
I was watching one of Dr John Campbell’s videos lately which focused on studies been done in Some African countries which indicated outcomes many multiples better than expected. Much better than even the lower average age can explain. Medics are working hard to figure out why.
South Africa though seems to buck the trend so far and follow the European norms.
Been looking but haven’t found the relevant link as yet.

PokeHerKing · 21-08-2020 09:23PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Its maybe just on a massively larger scale.

It appears that new cases begin to shallow out and they have 55,000 deaths right now. Thats 0.004% of their population.

I think what he's trying to say is the age structure is different in third world countries. Life expectancy is less.

Like most countries theres not a hope in hell their figures are accurate. I'm sure like everywhere else when all is said and done their excess mortality will indicate somewhere in the region if x5 deaths.

Westernyelp · 21-08-2020 09:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote:

Covid is a 1st world problem

This is an idiotic comment

FintanMcluskey · 21-08-2020 09:28PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Like most countries theres not a hope in hell their figures are accurate. I'm sure like everywhere else when all is said and done their excess mortality will indicate somewhere in the region if x5 deaths.

Id imagine the opposite.

Rather normal year on year death rates averaged out

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