How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Yeah I suggested something like this combining education and childcare and getting economy open

THey way they are openig is nuts but hey ho


I was thinking for primary that we need children in schools to reopen the economy and there are a lot of childcare workers unemployed due to creches closing down who are already garda vetted. Could the government not have hired spaces, GAA parish halls etc. Classes could be split in half, one half in childcare, other half in school for 2 i/2 days and swap.

Group A Mon Tues 1/2 day Wed

deep clean between groups

Group B 1/2 day Wed Thurs Fri

This is a simplistic idea which could have been developed further. When with the childcare group they did homework, played exercised all using social distancing hand hygiene and PPE as appropriate.

Children would be in school/childcare for week and parents could work and school would have smaller groups

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Why do people continue to refer to school as child minding ? .

Maybe due to every minister that talks mentioning the economy.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Maybe due to every minister that talks mentioning the economy.

It still isnt child minding . Teachers deserve better than that

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I’m in https://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Information/Curriculum-and-Syllabus/assessment-arrangements-junior-cycle-and-leaving-certificate-examinations-2021.pdf[/QUOTE

Hi Mirrorwall, I wonder what about CBA 1 for the new second years in practical subjects? Will this be discarded again? When will we hear, if it is? Would love to know, would help to really focus both teachers and students during whatever time we will have in class.
Thanks for posting that link above. Really helpful, but still so many questions.

khalessi wrote: »

Group A Mon Tues 1/2 day Wed

deep clean between groups

Group B 1/2 day Wed Thurs Fri

First problem. Deep clean takes about day.

This is a simplistic idea which could have been developed further. When with the childcare group they did homework, played exercised all using social distancing hand hygiene and PPE as appropriate.

Children would be in school/childcare for week and parents could work and school would have smaller groups

Other problems:
There are not enough qualified early childcare educators
Are we going to pay them the same as a teacher, or just throw them €10 euro an hour and say, 'you are lucky to have a job' to them
Logistics!! Nightmare, we can barely manage school buses, never mind an operations such as this.


Look, I see your point and I proposed something similar like a split day and got lambasted for it, but the truth is this....

We simply do not have the capacity, capability, resources, know how, skill or can do problem solving attutide among the key stakeholders to execute this effectvely. This is 100% clear to anyone.

The Irish Civil Service, along with the Dept. of Education simply do not have the intellectual, practical skills and know-how to bring this to fruition.

The same goes for the Unions and Teachers, they are just not skilled in this type of operational and logistical challenge. Teachers are educators, not project manager, not operations managers, not mangers full stop! In fact they are the worst people in the world to get this over the line, as they would try and overly complicate everything and then ask Union approval for the sake of it.

In short, it would be like asking a primary school student to do quantum mechanics or rocket science. They simply do not have the congitive ability to do it.
Its the same situation here in re-opening schools.



... so we have a half baked plan that is the best we have at the moment, one that may not be great, but it is one that can be achieved somewhat. All the other great theoritical plans sound great, but cannot be done here, they might be done in other countries where their CS are more capable than ours.

markodaly wrote: »

First problem. Deep clean takes about day.


Other problems:
There are not enough qualified early childcare educators
Are we going to pay them the same as a teacher, or just throw them €10 euro an hour and say, 'you are lucky to have a job' to them
Logistics!! Nightmare, we can barely manage school buses, never mind an operations such as this.


Look, I see your point and I proposed something similar like a split day and got lambasted for it, but the truth is this....

We simply do not have the capacity, capability, resources, know how, skill or can do problem solving attutide among the key stakeholders to execute this effectvely. This is 100% clear to anyone.

The Irish Civil Service, along with the Dept. of Education simply do not have the intellectual, practical skills and know-how to bring this to fruition.

The same goes for the Unions and Teachers, they are just not skilled in this type of operational and logistical challenge. Teachers are educators, not project manager, not operations managers, not mangers full stop! In fact they are the worst people in the world to get this over the line, as they would try and overly complicate everything and then ask Union approval for the sake of it.

In short, it would be like asking a primary school student to do quantum mechanics or rocket science. They simply do not have the congitive ability to do it.
Its the same situation here in re-opening schools.



... so we have a half baked plan that is the best we have at the moment, one that may not be great, but it is one that can be achieved somewhat. All the other great theoritical plans sound great, but cannot be done here, they might be done in other countries where their CS are more capable than ours.

Whatever else you do Marko, don't hold back.

Is there any scientific evidence to back up the idea that schools should remain closed?

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Changes to the exams published and the DES website has completely crashed out. Argh

Published on a Friday afternoon???? What’s going on??? That’s not like the department at all!!!

markodaly wrote: »

I suggested a split week myself and I was bombarded with questions from teachers about working hours, doubling the work, logistics etc..etc... every what if imaginable.

In other words, no matter what plan is put forward, some teachers will give out.

You mean you suggested something off the top of your head and when you couldn’t answer questions on the practical execution of said idea, you decided they were just giving out.
You see, you are actually more like the officials in the department that you give yourself credit for. They too come up with ideas that are very thin on actual helpful information and then don’t want to discuss it.

A suggestion is only useful and helpful if it can stand up to scrutiny.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

How am I bashing or showing little respect parents? Just saying what we all know and feel. Education isn't valued by a significant minority.

Government aren't even trying to hide that the full return to school is about the economy. It gets mentioned everytime a minister is on the radio or TV.

You dont even know that to say a significant number of parents dont value education is parent bashing ?