How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

irishblessing

Meanwhile, news from the US this morning:

Schools are caught in a coronavirus catch-22: navigate the uncharted territory of virtual learning or risk a coronavirus outbreak by coming back. At least 15 states have reported positive coronavirus cases at universities. In Utah, K-12 students and teachers can now be charged with a misdemeanor for not wearing masks. In New York, Los Angeles and Chicago, powerful teachers’ unions have demanded more Covid-19 protections in schools. The White House also has officially designated teachers as “essential workers.” While the title doesn’t carry any legal obligation, it puts more pressure on teachers to return to the classroom despite ongoing health concerns.

irishblessing

Blondini wrote: »

The bus issue is hilarious.

Obsessing about spacing on a short bus journey that's ferrying the students into essentially a poorly ventilated meat factory with no SD for hours on end.

Bizarre.

Good point. :rolleyes:

combat14

why would anyone in kildare or any other local area adhere to lockdown when 1 million students being sent back into schools starting next week....

Blondini

combat14 wrote: »

why would anyone in kildare or any other local area adhere to lockdown when 1 million students being sent back into schools starting next week....

With full reopening of schools and the barely disguised move towards herd immunity, the time has come to 'paddle your own canoe'. Scary stuff.

Sunday Sunday

Blondini wrote: »

With full reopening of schools and the barely disguised move towards herd immunity, the time has come to 'paddle your own canoe'. Scary stuff.

With no vaccine forthcoming and no sign of the virus going away all by itself we don't really have any other option.

We can't lockdown indefinitely and people won't accept another lockdown anyway so it would be almost pointless.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

With no vaccine forthcoming and no sign of the virus going away all by itself we don't really have any other option.

We can't lockdown indefinitely and people won't accept another lockdown anyway so it would be almost pointless.

Rushed incompetence is never the answer to a tricky situation where you feel the need to do "something"

jimmytwotimes 2013

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

With no vaccine forthcoming and no sign of the virus going away all by itself we don't really have any other option.

We can't lockdown indefinitely and people won't accept another lockdown anyway so it would be almost pointless.

The option wud be not returning fully. Maybe a 3/4-day-week for students on site and a day of online work. Teachers wud be on site everyday but numbers in building reduced. Nobody advocating a full closure or lockdown again

Blondini

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

With no vaccine forthcoming and no sign of the virus going away all by itself we don't really have any other option.

We can't lockdown indefinitely and people won't accept another lockdown anyway so it would be almost pointless.

Your concept of "we" is interesting.

For me it's definitely "I".

We are not in this together.

Hope it works out for you.

Lillyfae

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Your opinion as neither a parent or teacher doesn't carry much weight when calling for strike as it will have no impact on you or your career or risk to yourself.

It does though. Clusters impact everyone, as we all meet up at places such as supermarkets, restaurants, workplaces etc

the corpo

I can't find the wording, but due to classroom restrictions, our school has to have pods distanced for 6th class, but can't have a metre between in each child in that pod. 6th class child is the same size as a 1st year, so not entirely happy with this.

But does the roadmap say they must or *should try* to be 1mt apart within the pod?

josip

Blondini wrote: »

The bus issue is hilarious.

Obsessing about spacing on a short bus journey that's ferrying the students into essentially a poorly ventilated meat factory with no SD for hours on end.

Bizarre.

I disagree. Many kids spend 30 mins or more on the buses and there is much less distancing than in the class room.
Transmission via touch is very possible on a full bus, but less so in the classroom.

In my opinion, transmission via aerosols would decrease in proportion to the cube of the separation distance.
So for every doubling of the separation distance you reduce the transmission likelihood by a factor of 8.
Maths teachers and immunologists, please correct me if I'm way off with this.

the corpo

Also, Regina Doherty on the radio earlier, very unhappy on seeing photos from her own school that desks aren't appropriately distanced, yet the Taoiseach posed with 4m spaced desks yesterday. With the amount of back biting taking place in Goverment, escalating every minute, where will we be in a weeks time?

How can parents be expected to trust government rules when those that draft them don't even take them seriously?

Blondini

josip wrote: »

I disagree. Many kids spend 30 mins or more on the buses and there is much less distancing than in the class room.

Not true I'm afraid. It's probably the opposite in fact.

khalessi

combat14 wrote: »

why would anyone in kildare or any other local area adhere to lockdown when 1 million students being sent back into schools starting next week....

Was actually thinking this myself this morning. I am in one of the affected counties and am not supposed to leave this week. BUt next week I can sail into school in a different county. The schools in the county will more then likely be open. People who work in a neighbouring county can go to work despite lockdown and people who work in this county can come to work from another county.

What lockdown?

iguana

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

With no vaccine forthcoming

We aren't actually living in the darkest timeline. There will almost certainly be a vaccine in the very, very near future. There is no need to rush now, especially heading into winter and risk people's lives and health when this is most likely a temporary situation.

wirelessdude01

the corpo wrote: »

I can't find the wording, but due to classroom restrictions, our school has to have pods distanced for 6th class, but can't have a metre between in each child in that pod. 6th class child is the same size as a 1st year, so not entirely happy with this.

But does the roadmap say they must or *should try* to be 1mt apart within the pod?

If/where/when possible is their get out clause. Sure some of the class layouts in the document only have 40cm between the dots. You couldn't make this **** up.

Blondini

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

If/where/when possible is their get out clause. Sure some of the class layouts in the document only have 40cm between the dots. You couldn't make this **** up.

It gets better. The "dots" in real life could have a diameter of such dimension that they overlap on the Cartesian plane. Aka, sitting on each other's laps :pac:

Sunday Sunday

iguana wrote: »

We aren't actually living in the darkest timeline. There will almost certainly be a vaccine in the very, very near future. There is no need to rush now, especially heading into winter and risk people's lives and health when this is most likely a temporary situation.

Do you think many people will accept the vaccine? Australia looking to make it mandatory because they already know uptake will not be good.

Blondini

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Do you think many people will accept the vaccine?

Intelligent people will.

Sunday Sunday

Blondini wrote: »

Intelligent people will.

Some will, some won't, some won't be able to and some won't need to. If a vaccine was available today people wouldn't blindly line up to get it.

When you said there is no 'we' only 'I', the same applies to choice when it comes to vaccinating yourself or your kids.

Is it safe, has it been tested enough, is the disease itself bad enough to warrant taking an unknown vaccine, what are the chances I'll get the disease, am I happy to risk the side effects. All questions an 'intelligent' person should ask when balancing their decision.

It's estimated we need approx 70% infected or immune through vaccine to stop covid in its tracks.

Although some studies saying the threshold could be lot lower so hopefully they are right.

khalessi

RE vaccine, I would not like to be getting a first batch dose, thinking of the problems with the pandermix flu vaccine last time one was rushed out.

josip

Blondini wrote: »

Intelligent people will.

Be not the first by whom the new is tried...
I won't be trying to jump the queue to get any fast tracked vaccine for sure.
It will be telling if the Pharma companies look for government indemnification again or if they'll have sufficient confidence in the lack of side effects to risk their share prices against it.

Sunday Sunday

khalessi wrote: »

RE vaccine, I would not like to be getting a first batch dose, thinking of the problems with the pandermix flu vaccine last time one was rushed out.

I'd imagine a lot of people will feel the same way. If I remember the timeline for that was about 6 months, crazy fast and devastating effects for some people who took it.

I think about 70 people took court cases here alone.

iguana

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Do you think many people will accept the vaccine? Australia looking to make it mandatory because they already know uptake will not be good.

Yes I do. Just because the anti-vaxxers shriek loudly it doesn't mean their loudness is proportionate to their popularity. People want their normal lives back. We are seeing now that as soon as restrictions relax anywhere in the world, the infection rates rise. The only way we can keep infection rates down at safe levels is to all stay home or take the vaccine. This could be one of the most miserable winters of our collective lives. Long nights, miserable weather and few of the social comforts we use to get ourselves through it. The tiny, tiny, tiny chance of adverse effects from a vaccine will seem like a small risk compared to how utterly crap our lives will have to be if we don't take it.

Murple

the corpo wrote: »

Also, Regina Doherty on the radio earlier, very unhappy on seeing photos from her own school that desks aren't appropriately distanced, yet the Taoiseach posed with 4m spaced desks yesterday. With the amount of back biting taking place in Goverment, escalating every minute, where will we be in a weeks time?

How can parents be expected to trust government rules when those that draft them don't even take them seriously?

What radio programme was this? Was she blaming the school?
I think schools need to send the photos once all the children are in so that parents and everyone else can see the reality.

khalessi

SArah McInerney show

khalessi

Murple wrote: »

What radio programme was this? Was she blaming the school?
I think schools need to send the photos once all the children are in so that parents and everyone else can see the reality.

SHe was livid when she said it.
I think we should send photos of ourclassrooms to the papers or put them on twitter

irishblessing

i_surge wrote: »

I'm neither a teacher or a parent.

If i was, i would lead by example.

Plenty here complaining but all still going along to get along. That is what is sad.

Hey everyone. Looks like a socially distanced protest is happening tomorrow at 2pm at Custom house. Make your signs tonight...!

iguana

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

I'd imagine a lot of people will feel the same way. If I remember the timeline for that was about 6 months, crazy fast and devastating effects for some people who took it.

The timeline was less than 5 months from recognition of a new flu strain to the beginning of mass vaccination. And the adverse effects are absolutely massively overstated. It caused narcolepsy in 0.006% of people who took the initial vaccine in countries that rushed complete population vaccination rather than a targeted roll out. I don't want to dismiss the awfulness of that for those who were affected. But it's still an absolutely tiny risk compared to the risks of how life will be if we don't take it. Not just from Covid but the economic fallout from extended global restrictions will kill far more people than will suffer a negative consequence of a vaccine.

khalessi

iguana wrote: »

The timeline was less than 5 months from recognition of a new flu strain to the beginning of mass vaccination. And the adverse effects are absolutely massively overstated. It caused narcolepsy in 0.006% of people who took the initial vaccine in countries that rushed complete population vaccination rather than a targeted roll out. I don't want to dismiss the awfulness of that for those who were affected. But it's still an absolutely tiny risk compared to the risks of how life will be if we don't take it. Not just from Covid but the economic fallout from extended global restrictions will kill far more people than will suffer a negative consequence of a vaccine.

Yup one in a million are allergic to Polio vaccine, when I was getting innoculated
Well I'm the one in a million for that one. Never got the second booster dose as the feeling was it could endanger my health.