Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

polesheep · 21-08-2020 11:08AM

partyguinness wrote: »

This whole 'lock down/no lock down/restrictions/no restrictions' is going to start wearing pretty thin over the next few months and C19 fatigue will just settle in.

It is with us and we will have to live with it just like any other disease/virus through the centuries until a vaccine is found etc. This shielding/living in fear of the Bogey Man will dissipate.

Yep. Soon to be replaced with an inexplicable fascination with a presidential election 4,000km away.

US2 · 21-08-2020 11:11AM

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

plodder · 21-08-2020 11:11AM

take everything wrote: »

Off topic, but your four year old using the word "myth" in the correct context is impressive.

Sounds like you have a genius. &#55357;&#56898;

Still ot, but my niece was visiting with her 4 year old kid recently during the nice weather, and in a conversation back home was heard to say - "Daddy, it's sunny AF here".

I had to ask what "AF" means ....

Kids have a knack of picking up the nuances without necessarily understanding fully.

partyguinness · 21-08-2020 11:11AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That comparison doesn't really work though. A fit and healthy athlete may recover quickly but a large part of our population aren't as healthy as they think they are, we've become very accustomed to the western lifestyle and our heart disease figures say it all.

Your average Irish Joe may not fair out as well as a marathon runner.

I think it is worth pointing out that in the UK for example, of the 40000 odd deaths approx 400 were under the age of 45 and the overwhelming majority of the 400 approx had underlying conditions.

Bottom line is if you are relatively fit and healthy- you will be fine and the all stats and figures back that up. Yes of course there will be exceptions.

My wife's aunt is 60. She is heavily overweight a smokes and downright obese and a picture of ill health- she felt a bit rubbish for a few days (just confined to her couch and daytime TV) and that was that.

I will be driving home later- I may get rear ended and get killed. I am still going to drive home and not going to dwell on the fear of a horrible car crash. My leg might brush off some leaves in the park later when I am out running and I might catch Lime Disease.

We will just have to get on it otherwise we are just going around in circles.

quokula · 21-08-2020 11:11AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Well said. You'd swear there was a 50:50 chance of kicking the bucket with this. Vulnerable/elderly people have to make choices, that's true. But you have to live your life without having so much fear you don't live it at all.

And in doing so you make life a whole lot harder and scarier (and possibly significantly shorter) for those vulnerable and elderly people.

polesheep · 21-08-2020 11:11AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think C19 fatigue is already here

People are trying to just get on with it but even this week there are more restrictions even in areas with very low cases

The governments message is not getting across esp when it contains huge contradictions

I'd be surprised if compliance rates were as high should they try a second national lockdown

They're not high now. I know plenty of people from Kildare who are coming and going as they please. All the lockdown is doing there is hurting local business.

Gael23 · 21-08-2020 11:12AM

Any remaining compliance is gone after the clifden golf outing

seamus · 21-08-2020 11:12AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'm not fear mongering, I'm referring back to two posts shared this morning and giving my opinion. In what way did I fear monger, these are facts.

The term fear monger is thrown about so much lately that it's lost all meaning and has become a way for the likes of you to shut down anyone who isn't meeting your view.

You probably hadn't even heard of the term before you decided to join this forum.

"Fearmongering" is being said, because every few days people seem to throw up this list of long-lasting effects from covid, like it's some extraordinary super-infection.

Heart inflammation and other generalised inflammation is a very common effect of many viral infections. So common that it would be unusual if Covid didn't cause it.

Most people aren't aware of this fact, so people think that covid is mega-extra-super-dangerous when in fact it appears to be a pretty typical coronavirus with an edge.

Micky 32 · 21-08-2020 11:12AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'm not fear mongering, I'm referring back to two posts shared this morning and giving my opinion. In what way did I fear monger, these are facts.

The term fear monger is thrown about so much lately that it's lost all meaning and has become a way for the likes of you to shut down anyone who isn't meeting your view.

You probably hadn't even heard of the term before you decided to join this forum.

Yes i have. Myocarditis is not uncommon. There’s not enough longterm evidence to suggest this is caused by the virus. It is quite common in athletes, a lot of football players have dropped dead on the pitch long before covid 19 was around. I’m not sure what’s worse, the hysteria or the virus itself.

SPDUB · 21-08-2020 11:13AM

partyguinness wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people recover fine from it and come out the other side unscathe- we seem to lose sight of that and focus on the...what is it...2-3%.

If you going for an operation with a 2-3% morality rate you would take the operation.

...Might as well lock myself into a bunker and hide under a blanket

Because in the case of an operation you know if you are in the 2-3% and can take extra precautions .

The problem with this disease is you don't know if you are in the 80% who barely noticed it , the approx 16% who get notable problems and the rest who died .

Don't believe you have to hide in a bunker

polesheep · 21-08-2020 11:17AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That comparison doesn't really work though. A fit and healthy athlete may recover quickly but a large part of our population aren't as healthy as they think they are, we've become very accustomed to the western lifestyle and our heart disease figures say it all.

Your average Irish Joe may not fair out as well as a marathon runner.

For all we know, it is taking years off our lives. The effects don't have to be the immediate ones that you have mentioned.

I'm not saying hide in a bunker, just to remain vigilant and don't return to normal, because this is all far from normal.

Exactly. So why are you worried about inflammation of the heart in people who already have heart issues. If they weren't prepared to take care of their heart prior to Covid-19 why should Covid-19 now be a worry to them.

partyguinness · 21-08-2020 11:18AM

quokula wrote: »

And in doing so you make life a whole lot harder and scarier (and possibly significantly shorter) for those vulnerable and elderly people.

Look, granny has a had a good run of it. She spends enough time visting the graveyard anyway.

Renjit · 21-08-2020 11:20AM

partyguinness wrote: »

I will be driving home later- I may get rear ended and get killed. I am still going to drive home and not going to dwell on the fear of a horrible car crash. My leg might brush off some leaves in the park later when I am out running and I might catch Lime Disease.

We will just have to get on it otherwise we are just going around in circles.

The precautions are meant to save others if you are asymptomatic. So it is not like you will get rear ended and killed.

polesheep · 21-08-2020 11:20AM

Sunrise.Sunset wrote: »

I have a friend who's working as a nanny for that GP family and she doesn't feel comfortable working any more in their home because there's no social distancing happening in her job. What would you recommend? Would she be able to claim dole? She said she would be happy even with normal dole never mind the PUP. She wants to keep safe from covid19 as much as anything and her job is huge risk.

I recommend that you stay under you bed and don't come out until it's morning and an adult comes in and pulls the curtains. Or failing that, get a degree in medicine and challenge the GP on his actions.

stephenjmcd · 21-08-2020 11:21AM

US2 wrote: »

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

Says he's been in Ireland since July

plodder · 21-08-2020 11:22AM

US2 wrote: »

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

RTE is saying he's been here since late July.

Charles Babbage · 21-08-2020 11:22AM

partyguinness wrote: »

I will be driving home later- I may get rear ended and get killed. I am still going to drive home and not going to dwell on the fear of a horrible car crash.

Your driving home is regulated so that you do not kill other people and so it should be with Covid. Of course you probably believe that others should just stay off the road so that you can drive how you like, but this is not what happens in a civilised society.

Sierra Oscar · 21-08-2020 11:27AM

US2 wrote: »

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

He has stated he self-isolated for two weeks.

polesheep · 21-08-2020 11:27AM

Thankfully, it's getting to the point where it's becoming increasingly difficult to accuse people of killing granny... because now granny is out there partying with the rest of them.

Renjit · 21-08-2020 11:28AM

polesheep wrote: »

Thankfully, it's getting to the point where it's becoming increasingly difficult to accuse people of killing granny... because now granny is out there partying with the rest of them.

Having fun

podgeandrodge · 21-08-2020 11:30AM

quokula wrote: »

And in doing so you make life a whole lot harder and scarier (and possibly significantly shorter) for those vulnerable and elderly people.

Ahh yes, that old chestnut. Thrown around with abandon on here. Mainly by people that are afraid to leave the house themselves. An attempt to make you feel like you're a total cnut who doesn't care about anyone but themselves.

I'm talking about people living their lives and not stopping living because of irrational fear.

I know plenty of vulnerable and elderly people that are living their lives as normally as possible without letting fear take over.

Bubbaclaus · 21-08-2020 11:30AM

US2 wrote: »

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

Source? He says he has been in Ireland since late July, so if you have information suggesting otherwise (your post seems very definitive) you should share.

Arghus · 21-08-2020 11:30AM

Norma Foley - the invisible education minister - saying that Callery "showed leadership by resigning" - FF are such a shower of gombeens.

completedit · 21-08-2020 11:30AM

polesheep wrote: »

Thankfully, it's getting to the point where it's becoming increasingly difficult to accuse people of killing granny... because now granny is out there partying with the rest of them.

People come back and say isn't it great that they can be out and about. But the virus doesn't care. I don't get this line of thought that's like 'OMG how dare we ask old people to suffer'... the reality is they have to act responsibly for themselves and calculate their own risk(which a lot of them are doing) I don't see how people start moralizing when the government advise those most vulnerable to cocoon. Just seems logical.

Professor Moriarty · 21-08-2020 11:30AM

partyguinness wrote: »

Look, granny has a had a good run of it. She spends enough time visting the graveyard anyway.

Look, twats are clueless and selfish. They spend enough time talking sh1te.

partyguinness · 21-08-2020 11:31AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Your driving home is regulated so that you do not kill other people and so it should be with Covid. Of course you probably believe that others should just stay off the road so that you can drive how you like, but this is not what happens in a civilised society.

Sure it is regulated but what type of point is that? Tell that to people with life changing injuries.

You are completely missing my point but seems to be quite normal among all the doom merchants on here.

We are faced with risk every day and 'unknowns' as another poster mentioned. I am not going to live my life in fear otherwise I would never get into a car if I sat around thinking about the death rates and horrific injuries suffered. Likewise I am not going to dwell and fret on the possibility that I might get C19 or pass it on unknowingly.

21-08-2020 11:31AM

take everything wrote: »

Off topic, but your four year old using the word "myth" in the correct context is impressive.

Sounds like you have a genius. &#55357;&#56898;

Its his new word of the moment, everything is a myth, not least bedtime

21-08-2020 11:32AM

US2 wrote: »

Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

Big Phil is above things such as viruses.

Sunrise.Sunset · 21-08-2020 11:35AM

polesheep wrote: »

I recommend that you stay under you bed and don't come out until it's morning and an adult comes in and pulls the curtains. Or failing that, get a degree in medicine and challenge the GP on his actions.

She's working in a home environment and it's her place of work. Is she wrong to expect a safe work environment where the guidelines on social distancing can be followed to minimise her risk of virus to keep herself and her family safe?

yourdeadwright · 21-08-2020 11:36AM

plodder wrote: »

On another matter. Will we be having the update from yourself some time after 12:30 today ?

I shall contact my contact and see has he made contact with his contact

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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