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20-08-2020 11:04PM

LS3 wrote: »

Anyone else see that ALG not doing Milkrounds this year?

Oh my goodness, this has me panicked!

IgoPAP · 20-08-2020 11:16PM

LS3 wrote: »

Anyone else see that ALG not doing Milkrounds this year?

Is this because they're looking to hire all of their trainees through their internship programme or due to Covid? If its the latter, its quite surprising as most of the big firms in the UK are still recruiting and recruitment is still remaining strong.

All of the big professional services firms are still hiring for their grad programmes and law firms tend to be hit last in recessions and they recover quickly enough.

IgoPAP · 20-08-2020 11:32PM

Does anybody else think the other firms will follow suit and cancel their Milkrounds this year? A bit of a nightmare really.

Aisbash · 21-08-2020 03:24AM

Would anyone sitting the online exams next week mind uploading the instructions they received from the Law Society, so those of us sitting in October can have some idea how we might be examined. Of course only if ye have time, I’m sure everyone is super busy preparing for next week. Thanks

sarahlawless · 21-08-2020 09:49AM

LS3 wrote: »

Anyone else see that ALG not doing Milkrounds this year?

This is extremely concerning news, particularly as ALG have won 'Most popular Graduate Recruiter in Law" for the past 9 years in a row. i'll stick this in-between 'no October timetable' and 'potential online exam' on my ever increasing covid induced list of stresses.

lawgrad2020 · 21-08-2020 10:14AM

Does anyone have the EU 2020 Paper? Just looking to update my grid

nmurphy1441 · 21-08-2020 11:08AM

lawgrad2020 wrote: »

Does anyone have the EU 2020 Paper? Just looking to update my grid

I have it but I won’t be able to send it on until I get home from work later if that suits...

AlexTG356 · 21-08-2020 11:10AM

Aisbash wrote: »

Would anyone sitting the online exams next week mind uploading the instructions they received from the Law Society, so those of us sitting in October can have some idea how we might be examined. Of course only if ye have time, I’m sure everyone is super busy preparing for next week. Thanks

Yes, this would be really helpful if someone has a chance.

StabiloLaw · 21-08-2020 11:19AM

Aisbash wrote: »

Would anyone sitting the online exams next week mind uploading the instructions they received from the Law Society, so those of us sitting in October can have some idea how we might be examined. Of course only if ye have time, I’m sure everyone is super busy preparing for next week. Thanks

Not sure how else to upload it but this is copy and pasted.
Hope it's useful!

LAW SOCIETY OF IRELAND
FINAL EXAMINATION – FIRST PART
27 - 28 AUGUST 2020

PREPARATION FOR THE FE-1 ONLINE EXAMINATION
SUMMARY

Examination Paper
The examination paper will be provided on our Virtual Learning Environment, Moodle.
Invigilation
Zoom technology will be used to invigilate your examination. You will join a Zoom meeting
and complete a check-in process with our invigilator.

Answer Book
You will complete your examination on paper using the FE-1 examination answer book
which has been posted to you.

Submitting your Answer Book
At the end of the examination you will scan your written paper and email it to the invigilator.
You will complete a check-out process with our invigilator.

WHY ARE WE PROVIDING AN ONLINE EXAMINATION?
The government’s restrictions on travel from Kildare, Laois and Offaly prevented you from
attending the examinations on 11 and/or 13 August.

PROCEDURE
 You will receive the FE-1 examination answer book in the post. If you do not receive an
answer book by Monday 24 August please contact fe1section@lawsociety.ie.
 You will receive an email with logon details so that you can access our Virtual Learning
Environment, Moodle.
 You will receive the following guides:
o How to access Moodle.
o How to download Zoom on to your device.
o How to install the scanning application (CamScanner) on to your device.
 You will receive an email with details of a training session which will be held at 10.00am
on Monday 24 August.

IT Hardware Requirements
 A desktop computer or laptop;
 A webcam (built in or external);
 A microphone (built in or external);
 A reliable internet connection (preferably wired, but this is not always an option for all
candidates);
 Your smartphone, fully charged, for scanning the written examination.

IT Software Requirements
 Chrome, Firefox, Edge or Safari browser;
 Zoom application for Windows or Mac already installed on your device (check that you
have the latest version installed);
 Moodle account and FE-1 page opened;
 CamScanner downloaded onto a Smartphone;

Photo ID
You must have a Passport or Driving License in order to take the examination.

EXAMINATION CHECKLIST
 Please try to ensure that you have a quiet space where you can undertake the
examination.
 Ensure you are happy with the examination process (accessing Zoom, Moodle and the
CamScanner).
 Do not forget to have your passport or driving licence with you.
 Check you are in an area where you can have your device plugged into a power outlet
and are not working off a battery.
 Have a clock to hand so you know how long you have left in the examination.
 Ensure you have a glass and jug of water in your workspace.
 Ensure you have the contact email of the FE-1 Section fe1section@lawsociety.ie for this
examination should any issues arise during the examination and you are unable to
contact the invigilator.

student2019 · 21-08-2020 11:22AM

Has anyone ever done the judicial assistant assessment? If so, what’s it like?

Lallers96 · 21-08-2020 12:00PM

Hypothetically couldn't you write loads of stuff in your answer book before the test and also after the test in between finishing the zoom call and scanning them to the examiners email?

Maybe they watch you carry the laptop into the room you have the printer in (if you even have one) and watch you scan it lol. That doesn't seem likely.

Even if you're asked to flick through every page and show its blank at the start of the exam you could easily stick two pages together with your fingers and flick away making it appear blank, when in fact you have a page (or multiple pages) there filled with notes.

That's two potential chances to cheat, without even considering the fact that it's very easy have sample answers hidden away somewhere in your room and sneak them in front of you.

At least if it was typed there's no chance of you adding to it before or after the 3 hour exam.

Hamerzan Sickles · 21-08-2020 12:01PM

IgoPAP wrote: »

Does anybody else think the other firms will follow suit and cancel their Milkrounds this year? A bit of a nightmare really.

Now that ALG has made it official, I'd say others will be more likely to follow suit.

Hamerzan Sickles · 21-08-2020 12:02PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Hypothetically couldn't you write loads of stuff in your answer book before the test and also after the test in between finishing the zoom call and scanning them to the examiners email?

Maybe they watch you carry the laptop into the room you have the printer in (if you even have one) and watch you scan it lol. That doesn't seem likely.

Even if you're asked to flick through every page and show its blank at the start of the exam you could easily stick two pages together with your fingers and flick away making it appear blank, when in fact you have a page (or multiple pages) there filled with notes.

That's two potential chances to cheat, without even considering the fact that it's very easy have sample answers hidden away somewhere in your room and sneak them in front of you.

At least if it was typed there's no chance of you adding to it before or after the 3 hour exam.

We are literally in the middle of a global pandemic. I think you should let this one go.

Lallers96 · 21-08-2020 12:20PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

We are literally in the middle of a global pandemic. I think you should let this one go.

I have never said I had any issue with it. I'm a firm believer that the exams should be online, and the August mini sitting should never have gone ahead. I merely asked would cheating be more possible with this format?

StabiloLaw · 21-08-2020 12:21PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Hypothetically couldn't you write loads of stuff in your answer book before the test and also after the test in between finishing the zoom call and scanning them to the examiners email?

Maybe they watch you carry the laptop into the room you have the printer in (if you even have one) and watch you scan it lol. That doesn't seem likely.

Even if you're asked to flick through every page and show its blank at the start of the exam you could easily stick two pages together with your fingers and flick away making it appear blank, when in fact you have a page (or multiple pages) there filled with notes.

That's two potential chances to cheat, without even considering the fact that it's very easy have sample answers hidden away somewhere in your room and sneak them in front of you.

At least if it was typed there's no chance of you adding to it before or after the 3 hour exam.

Did you read the email we had received that I just posted?

It literally says that you scan with your phone and this will be done before you check out of the Zoom call.

I'm not sure how you answer your exams, but I don't think writing a load of random things on pages will be any help to people in the exam if it's not relevant to the questions.

People seem to find it hard to believe that we're not all cheaters, but honestly, none of the things you mentioned even entered my head.

Lallers96 · 21-08-2020 12:33PM

StabiloLaw wrote: »

Did you read the email we had received that I just posted?

It literally says that you scan with your phone and this will be done before you check out of the Zoom call.

I'm not sure how you answer your exams, but I don't think writing a load of random things on pages will be any help to people in the exam if it's not relevant to the questions.

People seem to find it hard to believe that we're not all cheaters, but honestly, none of the things you mentioned even entered my head.

There is no need to be so condescending, I merely asked a question.

You need to read over your own post, not me. Nowhere does it mention a phone scanning anything. It says "At the end of the examination you will scan your written paper and email it to the invigilator." So no, it *literally* doesn't say that.

I never said right a "load of random things down". I said you could write notes or have sample answers at the ready, which are not "random things" and I'm sure reputable law schools would take offense to that accusation that their sample answers are "not relevant to the question".

I never presumed you were a cheater. I seem to have touched a nerve with a simple question. Deary me.

LawCandidate · 21-08-2020 12:37PM

Very grateful if someone could tell me what came up in the Tort exam last week?

FE1Rookie · 21-08-2020 01:04PM

StabiloLaw wrote: »

Answer Book
You will complete your examination on paper using the FE-1 examination answer book
which has been posted to you.

Submitting your Answer Book
At the end of the examination you will scan your written paper and email it to the invigilator.
You will complete a check-out process with our invigilator.

Wow what a flawed system

hullaballoo · 21-08-2020 01:17PM

"Reputable law schools" and their "sample answers" is a bit of a paradox. Any preparatory course worth its salt should not be giving sample answers because they are a very very poor study tool. Students who rely on sample answers invariably try to regurgitate them in the exam setting always with limited success. It is a major pitfall in preparation for these exams to rote learn and try and regurgitate this in the exam. Plenty of indications in examiner reports that this practice does not work.

Similarly, while practicing past papers can be useful for exam technique, there are risks. For both sample answers (especially those based on past papers) and your own practice of past papers, the major risk is that a question comes up that looks quite similar to a question on a past paper. You mill into misremembering the sample answer or your prepared answer to the question asked on the past paper rather than the one that's in front of you in the exam. Having previously read and re-read the similar question on past papers will blind you to any nuances or subtle differences in the question in front of you. Your answer will be incorrect unless the question is 100% identical to that previously asked, which is rare.

What makes a whole lot more sense is to set yourself up with the tools to answer questions afresh without the risk of prejudging the paper and questions that might arise. I do appreciate that I am probably talking to the wall but time and time again these things are pointed out as reasons for failing by examiners.

StabiloLaw · 21-08-2020 01:30PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

There is no need to be so condescending, I merely asked a question.

You need to read over your own post, not me. Nowhere does it mention a phone scanning anything. It says "At the end of the examination you will scan your written paper and email it to the invigilator." So no, it *literally* doesn't say that.

I never said right a "load of random things down". I said you could write notes or have sample answers at the ready, which are not "random things" and I'm sure reputable law schools would take offense to that accusation that their sample answers are "not relevant to the question".

I never presumed you were a cheater. I seem to have touched a nerve with a simple question. Deary me.

"Your smartphone, fully charged, for scanning the written examination."

FE1Rookie · 21-08-2020 01:46PM

What if someone doesn't have a phone that can scan? My camera has been ****ed for a long time and I don't have the resources to get it fixed.

nmurphy1441 · 21-08-2020 02:29PM

LawCandidate wrote: »

Very grateful if someone could tell me what came up in the Tort exam last week?

No particular order...

Re ispa locquor
Passing off
Trespass the person/employers liability
Statue of limitations
Product Liability/causation
Nuisance

Can’t remember the last two. DM me your email and I’ll send you on the paper

StabiloLaw · 21-08-2020 02:32PM

FE1Rookie wrote: »

What if someone doesn't have a phone that can scan? My camera has been ****ed for a long time and I don't have the resources to get it fixed.

Honestly if your exam isn't until October I wouldn't worry about this just yet- keep studying and it will fall into place.

You'd never know what could happen between now and then and if they are online, maybe the Law Soc will be able to work something out.

They've been quite helpful with questions for this online exam so fingers crossed they'll be the same in October.

L.E.D · 21-08-2020 04:12PM

StabiloLaw wrote: »

Not sure how else to upload it but this is copy and pasted.
Hope it's useful!

LAW SOCIETY OF IRELAND
FINAL EXAMINATION – FIRST PART
27 - 28 AUGUST 2020

PREPARATION FOR THE FE-1 ONLINE EXAMINATION
SUMMARY

Examination Paper
The examination paper will be provided on our Virtual Learning Environment, Moodle.
Invigilation
Zoom technology will be used to invigilate your examination. You will join a Zoom meeting
and complete a check-in process with our invigilator.

Answer Book
You will complete your examination on paper using the FE-1 examination answer book
which has been posted to you.

Submitting your Answer Book
At the end of the examination you will scan your written paper and email it to the invigilator.
You will complete a check-out process with our invigilator.

WHY ARE WE PROVIDING AN ONLINE EXAMINATION?
The government’s restrictions on travel from Kildare, Laois and Offaly prevented you from
attending the examinations on 11 and/or 13 August.

PROCEDURE
 You will receive the FE-1 examination answer book in the post. If you do not receive an
answer book by Monday 24 August please contact fe1section@lawsociety.ie.
 You will receive an email with logon details so that you can access our Virtual Learning
Environment, Moodle.
 You will receive the following guides:
o How to access Moodle.
o How to download Zoom on to your device.
o How to install the scanning application (CamScanner) on to your device.
 You will receive an email with details of a training session which will be held at 10.00am
on Monday 24 August.

IT Hardware Requirements
 A desktop computer or laptop;
 A webcam (built in or external);
 A microphone (built in or external);
 A reliable internet connection (preferably wired, but this is not always an option for all
candidates);
 Your smartphone, fully charged, for scanning the written examination.

IT Software Requirements
 Chrome, Firefox, Edge or Safari browser;
 Zoom application for Windows or Mac already installed on your device (check that you
have the latest version installed);
 Moodle account and FE-1 page opened;
 CamScanner downloaded onto a Smartphone;

Photo ID
You must have a Passport or Driving License in order to take the examination.

EXAMINATION CHECKLIST
 Please try to ensure that you have a quiet space where you can undertake the
examination.
 Ensure you are happy with the examination process (accessing Zoom, Moodle and the
CamScanner).
 Do not forget to have your passport or driving licence with you.
 Check you are in an area where you can have your device plugged into a power outlet
and are not working off a battery.
 Have a clock to hand so you know how long you have left in the examination.
 Ensure you have a glass and jug of water in your workspace.
 Ensure you have the contact email of the FE-1 Section fe1section@lawsociety.ie for this
examination should any issues arise during the examination and you are unable to
contact the invigilator.

Doesn't actually sound too bad, wondering what happens if you need to use the bathroom though ðŸ€”

nmurphy1441 · 21-08-2020 05:02PM

L.E.D wrote: »

Doesn't actually sound too bad, wondering what happens if you need to use the bathroom though ðŸ€”

Not allowed go I’d imagine. I saw an article during the week from the UK bar exams. They were online and people taking the exam complained they couldn’t use the bathroom!

IgoPAP · 21-08-2020 06:31PM

nmurphy1441 wrote: »

Not allowed go I’d imagine. I saw an article during the week from the UK bar exams. They were online and people taking the exam complained they couldn’t use the bathroom!

There are always creative solutions.

TCPIP · 21-08-2020 07:52PM

nmurphy1441 wrote: »

Not allowed go I’d imagine. I saw an article during the week from the UK bar exams. They were online and people taking the exam complained they couldn’t use the bathroom!

Buddy of mine sat the Inns exam today and he just upped and went. But I asked him would he be tempted to cheat and said no because he didn’t want to give any impression of impropriety which I can get behind.

steveeq · 22-08-2020 02:54PM

Hi guys,

Just wondering does anybody have the company law and constitutional papers from March this year.

Cheers

Wonderstruck · 22-08-2020 03:07PM

student2019 wrote: »

Has anyone ever done the judicial assistant assessment? If so, what’s it like?

I did it last year. This was in the Kings Inn's building.

Timetable:

13:30 to 14:00 – Registration
14:00 to 16:30 - Prepare a précis of a Court Judgment
16:30 to 16:45 - Short Break
16:45 to 17:30 – Proof Reading Exercise

They had coffee and some very tasty pastries. The exam hall was full and I got a fabric bag of Courts Service swag (I added a strap to it and I have a stylish laptop bag now). I am a civil servant so I got PAID to go (it was treated as it was an afternoon at work). Not sure how I'd feel sitting through all that for free :pac: I need a lot of coffee to say the least after that 2.5 hour law exam. I don't know anything about evidence law (I've never studied it, never worked in a job where I would need to know it etc) so I was a bit stumped for a lot of the exam. I'd say it will be on a different case this time around!

I presume it will be completely different as it was hardly what I'd call socially distant! I met some cool people at it and chatted FE-1 talk.

rightytighty · 22-08-2020 09:43PM

Have the courts service sent invites to the assessment?

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