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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #8012
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,543 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Skid X wrote: »
    I don't think Dara Calleary will survive that golf beano, very poor lack of judgement from all involved.
    Tbh if he was the only member of government to go he would likely go....but there is a huge number of TDs, senators etc seemingly.

    The hotel and society declined to confirm who had attended but the guest list included: Minister for Agriculture Dara Calleary and his wife Siobhan, Galway TD Noel Grealish, Senator Jerry Buttimer, Senator John Cummins, Senator Paul Daly, Senator Niall Blaney, former Fine Gael Senator Cáit Keane, Judge and former Attorney General Seamus Woulfe, the Moroccan Ambassador Lahcen Mahraoui, former Labour Party senator Lorraine Higgins, former Fine Gael Senator and TD for Sligo–Leitrim Gerry Reynolds, former Fine Gael senator Imelda Henry, Circuit Court judge and a former Workers' Party TD Pat McCartan, who serves as the vice-captain, and a number of others.


  • #8013
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    polesheep wrote: »
    It was never as bad as predicted and now it's fizzling out as an illness.

    Well 3.4% of people infected die and just less than 1% with the flu.
    Its also more contagious as people have no herd immunity against a new disease.

    There's roughly between 30,000 and 60,000 deaths in the US from flu every year.
    The death toll from Covid-19 currently stands at 177,000 in the US with four months of the year remaining.


  • #8014
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Boggles wrote: »
    .

    If we were catching one third of cases, which I must believe by that study, then how come, do you think, that our hospitalisation and death rates are so low now compared to before? The talk some people have of a mutated virus does not make sense to me as surely that is easy enough to verify under a microscope or whatever is the sophisticated version of that?


  • #8015
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    8 more cases at Larry Goodmans ABP Meat plant in Cahir, Co TIPPERARY today ...... factory operating away full steam ahead with workers free to infect the town if they get an hour off work .... joke


  • #8016
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I've never seen such a weak bunch of politicians, I don't know if there's in fighting back biting or what is going on behind the scenes but Micheal needs to grow a pair and take charge of the situation.
    6months in and our response is shambolic, if someone doesn't step up and take control we're going to be going around in circles for the next year or longer. Its a foolish move to put all our eggs in the vaccine basket, we need to be improving the treatment of the virus and learn to live and cope with it.


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  • #8017
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    I dont know what relevance UCD has here. What's that persons connection to the testing process? Where did they source an antibody test? Did they say the PCR or antibody test had 25%FP?
    ...
    There would be a higher incidence of false negatives, but that is difficult to asssess as most of those would be down to poor sample collection.

    If the swab is taken properly, by a trained healthcare worker, then the result is highly likely to be valid.

    Load of qualifiers there.

    To which I'll add the actual site of infection.

    It's well documented internationally.

    No dispersions cast on lab workers' professionalism.


  • #8018
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    US2 wrote: »
    Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

    I had swine flu. It was absolute horrendous and I was young and fit. Brutal dose.


  • #8019
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    US2 wrote: »
    Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

    Actually, Swine Flu was estimated to have just over 500k deaths after 1 full year. We're well over that after 8 months with Covid and that's with severe global lockdowns.


  • #8020
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    .

    Incredible numbers. 73% of those found to gave antibodies had symptoms. Why are so many of the recent cases asymptomatic


  • #8021
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I’ve no official source for the below, only myself, but we met with my daughter’s oncologist and immunologist today and we spoke about returning to school.

    My daughter is due to start junior infants Monday week and is finished treatment. They are advising all children who are currently in treatment or post treatment to return as normal, and abide by usual oncology protocols (teachers will warn of suspected chicken pox or measles, etc).

    They mentioned all covid cases were a child hospitalised for something else and the virus picked up by admissions testing req’d for all children. No child ended up in hospital as a result of covid symptoms. And no child currently on cancer treatment has been diagnosed with it.

    Hope all goes well for her on all counts, not easy, poor dote.


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  • #8022
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I’ve no official source for the below, only myself, but we met with my daughter’s oncologist and immunologist today and we spoke about returning to school.

    My daughter is due to start junior infants Monday week and is finished treatment. They are advising all children who are currently in treatment or post treatment to return as normal, and abide by usual oncology protocols (teachers will warn of suspected chicken pox or measles, etc).

    They mentioned all covid cases were a child hospitalised for something else and the virus picked up by admissions testing req’d for all children. No child ended up in hospital as a result of covid symptoms. And no child currently on cancer treatment has been diagnosed with it.

    Take care hope all goes well
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  • #8023
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Incredible numbers. 73% of those found to gave antibodies had symptoms. Why are so many of the recent cases asymptomatic

    Because its mostly younger people are getting tested. Most elderly and people with underlying conditions are still cocooning. Most of my friends wouldn't bothered get tested if they had mild symptoms.

    Between 200 and 1000 deaths per year in Ireland from the normal flu. Currently 1776 deaths from Covid-19.

    Its not half as bad as people are making out but herd immunity is needed to combat this or a vaccine.


  • #8024
    Icantthinkof1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    US2 wrote: »
    Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

    That’s not true. Swine flu pandemic lasted around a year causing approx 600k deaths.
    Covid in 8months has caused nearly 800k deaths


  • #8025
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    US2 wrote: »
    Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

    I've read that too, confusing, but from what I can remember there were only around a dozen or so deaths in Ireland?


  • #8026
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Incredible numbers. 73% of those found to gave antibodies had symptoms. Why are so many of the recent cases asymptomatic

    One thing I thought about the high asymptomatic rate among meat factory workers etc is if you are in that job, no security, from abroad, no sick pay etc, and the tester says did you not have a cough or a fever or a sore throat, you would be very disinclined to admit you felt anything. Because if you did then you are out on your ear for being the fecker who went into work feeling symptoms and spread it.


  • #8027
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    8 more cases at Larry Goodmans ABP Meat plant in Cahir, Co TIPPERARY today ...... factory operating away full steam ahead with workers free to infect the town if they get an hour off work .... joke

    Does Larry own all the ABP plants?
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  • #8028
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    pc7 wrote: »
    I had swine flu. It was absolute horrendous and I was young and fit. Brutal dose.

    Got it myself I was 24. Only time I ever the the actual flu and not just a cold. Still worst week of my life!


  • #8029
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,536 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    If we were catching one third of cases, which I must believe by that study, then how come, do you think, that our hospitalisation and death rates are so low now compared to before?

    The "Right" people getting infected.

    Care homes and vulnerable protected.

    I think the hospitalization rate as a percentage is actually a little higher, I explained in a post before, I put it down to them having capacity and being extra cautious.

    As for the virus mutating into something that is less deadly, they actively monitor it, it hasn't.


  • #8030
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Fergal Bowers has R number at 1.2
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  • #8031
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I’ve no official source for the below, only myself, but we met with my daughter’s oncologist and immunologist today and we spoke about returning to school.

    My daughter is due to start junior infants Monday week and is finished treatment. They are advising all children who are currently in treatment or post treatment to return as normal, and abide by usual oncology protocols (teachers will warn of suspected chicken pox or measles, etc).

    They mentioned all covid cases were a child hospitalised for something else and the virus picked up by admissions testing req’d for all children. No child ended up in hospital as a result of covid symptoms. And no child currently on cancer treatment has been diagnosed with it.

    Wow that must be worrying. Amazing that your daughter is through the other side.

    One thing I'd be wary about is the sample size. Schools were shut down in rapid order so it's not comparing like with like. I'd seek a second opinion perhaps from a country with a larger sample size (population) and where schools were open and see if they concur. I'm hoping for the best.


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  • #8032
    Icantthinkof1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I’ve no official source for the below, only myself, but we met with my daughter’s oncologist and immunologist today and we spoke about returning to school.

    My daughter is due to start junior infants Monday week and is finished treatment. They are advising all children who are currently in treatment or post treatment to return as normal, and abide by usual oncology protocols (teachers will warn of suspected chicken pox or measles, etc).

    They mentioned all covid cases were a child hospitalised for something else and the virus picked up by admissions testing req’d for all children. No child ended up in hospital as a result of covid symptoms. And no child currently on cancer treatment has been diagnosed with it.

    Thanks for sharing this, as a parent I find that comforting about the hospitalisations.
    I hope your little girl has a lovely school experience and wishing her a lifetime of health and happiness


  • #8033
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,536 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Incredible numbers. 73% of those found to gave antibodies had symptoms. Why are so many of the recent cases asymptomatic

    Are they asymptomatic or presymptomatic?


  • #8034
    dere34
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭dere34


    dere34 wrote: »
    twitter.com/bbcmariamc
    If scenes like this are repeated I can see local lockdowns in NI.


  • #8035
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    US2 wrote: »
    Not as many as the great 2009 swine flu pandemic

    Were the measures implemented, by practically every country in the world, in any small way, even slightly different for the two pandemics by any chance?


  • #8036
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    US2 wrote: »
    Got it myself I was 24. Only time I ever the the actual flu and not just a cold. Still worst week of my life!

    Me too. 48h of being curled up in a ball. I think that flu spared the elderly but hit younger people quite badly. Rarely fatal though.


  • #8037
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    regulators wrote: »
    Its not half as bad as people are making out but herd immunity is needed to combat this or a vaccine.

    It very possible that the former will happen before the latter.

    I’m sure there’s a lot of pharma companies hoping that doesn’t happen.


  • #8038
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    Boggles wrote: »
    The "Right" people getting infected.

    Care homes and vulnerable protected.

    I think the hospitalization rate as a percentage is actually a little higher, I explained in a post before, I put it down to them having capacity and being extra cautious.

    As for the virus mutating into something that is less deadly, they actively monitor it, it hasn't.
    It really proves that the mortality rate is much, much lower than what it states in each countries records. Mortality rates are calculated based from confirmed cases. I will be surprised if the mortality rate is more 0.2% when all age groups are taken into account in a year or two.


  • #8039
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wow that must be worrying. Amazing that your daughter is through the other side.

    One thing I'd be wary about is the sample size. Schools were shut down in rapid order so it's not comparing like with like. I'd seek a second opinion perhaps from a country with a larger sample size (population) and where schools were open and see if they concur. I'm hoping for the best.

    “Luckily” she was out the other side before she was 18 months so doesn’t remember it at all, and is as strong as an ox now :)

    The conversation was far longer and detailed than my post, and these guys are basically at the absolute top of their game in Ireland if not up there in the top in Europe for their treatments, one an OBE... so a second opinion, in my opinion, is not needed. You’re absolutely right though, I brought up the schools being closed as well but it seems like all of these guys are talking, very frequently, with international colleagues and know as much as can be known at this point.


  • #8040
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,536 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    It really proves that the mortality rate is much, much lower than what it states in each countries records. Mortality rates are calculated based from confirmed cases. I will be surprised if the mortality rate is more 0.2% when all age groups are taken into account in a year or two.

    Or mortality rate based on those figures is around 2%.


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  • #8041
    What Username Guidelines
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    Icantthinkof1 wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing this, as a parent I find that comforting about the hospitalisations.
    I hope your little girl has a lovely school experience and wishing her a lifetime of health and happiness

    Thank you, and to all the others, for the well wishes... we couldn’t keep her away even if the docs had advised us to, she’s so excited about it.


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