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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7922
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    There is a lot of buck passing going on here


  • #7923
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    They do when they're done properly. The full lockdown in Wuhan eliminated the virus.

    Our lockdown wasn't long enough nor strict enough to fully suppress the virus. Additionally, we allowed overseas visitors into the country with no supervision to reseed outbreaks.

    It will be interesting to see how the government starts to manage an increasing unwillingness to follow the guidelines.

    Except we don't live under a totalitarian government. The cases of death and serious illness constitute a very small percentage of the number of people who have contracted the virus.


  • #7924
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    That number today is bad. Looks like with the schools opening they are shooting for herd immunity.


    One east Galway GP said he referred 20 cases last weekend for testing with 50% of them children.


  • #7925
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    feelings wrote: »
    No we weren't. It was never going to be wiped out. It was suppressed and we did a good job getting to that point. We have to live with it now. Treatment has improved significantly. So what is the next plan?

    I cringe to think... was Boris right... is it time for herd immunity?

    A significant cohort of highly qualified people (epidemiologists / virologists) who get paid lots of money to have opinions / ideas / devise strategies on these things, say you are incorrect.


  • #7926
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,671 ✭✭✭touts


    Schools are safe and children aren't getting Covid-19 in schools. They are getting it at home. So schools are very safe places.


    Could that possibly be because the schools have been shut since March? I'd be stunned if any child caught Covid-19 in a school since March 16th.


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  • #7927
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    This is what Zara was on about?

    Wow, just wow.

    This government is pathetic


  • #7928
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    1.7% of 5 million is 85000. So the story is we found one third of all cases all along. I find that hard to believe.

    It's only a guesstimate from two counties. GP Ciara Kelly had it in March and done 5 antibody tests for and her family. All nil. We are seriously underestimating t cells.I think it is multiples of that.


  • #7929
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Prof. Nolan adamant community transmission remains low and schools can re-open without issues

    do they think they are getting all the cases now?
    Only 50-70k tests a week.

    Next week a few schools will most likely have people who have the virus unknown to them.
    Nolan going on about flu but this virus is more infectious.

    We will probably go back to phase 1 now after the insistence on schools going back


  • #7930
    feelings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭feelings


    Which part is incorrect?
    PowerToWait wrote: »
    A significant cohort of highly qualified people (epidemiologists / virologists) who get paid lots of money to have opinions / ideas / devise strategies on these things, say you are incorrect.


  • #7931
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MD1990 wrote: »
    do they think they are getting all the cases now?
    Only 50-70k tests a week.

    Next week a few schools will most likely have people who have the virus unknown to them.
    Nolan going on about flu but this virus is more infectious.

    We will probably go back to phase 1 now after the insistence on schools going back
    Positivity rate of 1.3% indicates they're catching a lot of cases


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  • #7932
    JJandthebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭JJandthebear


    "It's important that the school uniform's look clean" these pressers are absolute guff.


  • #7933
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    51 are in Dublin, 24 in Kildare, 12 in Kilkenny, 11 in Tipperary, 7 in Cork, 6 in Limerick, 6 in Wexford, 5 in Meath and the remaining 14 cases are in Carlow, Cavan, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Offaly, Roscommon, Waterford and Wicklow

    Kilkenny high now
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #7934
    dere34
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭dere34


    See Maria McCann from BBC News NI? The photos on her Twitter are seriously worrying. I don't think schools will open at this stage.


  • #7935
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    This is what Zara was on about?
    https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1296508121452613636?s=20

    Seems so. Shower of utter cretins. I think they should all resign tbh. Rules are for everyone else apparently.


  • #7936
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    dere34 wrote: »
    See Maria McCann from BBC News NI? The photos on her Twitter are seriously worrying. I don't think schools will open at this stage.
    Schools will 100% be open.


  • #7937
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,110 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The schools wont see to mid september.

    No matter how stubborn they insist on opening them is there not a high chance they would run out of teachers?

    I mean how many teachers can a school afford be quarantined if they test positive; if that teachers been in a staff room and is a "close contact" waiting for a test? Who'll teach the kids then?


  • #7938
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    JJandthebear wrote: »
    "It's important that the school uniform's look clean" these pressers are absolute guff.
    She also said they are not suggesting that uniforms get washed every night!


  • #7939
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    theballz wrote: »
    Only 18 in hospital. The most vulnerable have already caught it and recovered or unfortunately past away.

    We are watching herd immunity unfold.

    The vulnerable are still social distancing.

    We are so so far away from herd immunity.


  • #7940
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,886 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Schools will 100% be open.

    Yep gone too far to pull back at this stage


  • #7941
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    A significant cohort of highly qualified people (epidemiologists / virologists) who get paid lots of money to have opinions / ideas / devise strategies on these things, say you are incorrect.

    Yet no country in the world has managed to eradicate it?


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  • #7942
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The schools wont see to mid september.

    No matter how stubborn they insist on opening them is there not a high chance they would run out of teachers?

    I mean how many teachers can a school afford be quarantined if they test positive if that teachers been in a staff room and is a "close contact" waiting for a test? Who'll teach the kids then?

    I predict absenteeism amongst teachers between 10 and 20% from the start.


  • #7943
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    dere34 wrote: »
    See Maria McCann from BBC News NI? The photos on her Twitter are seriously worrying. I don't think schools will open at this stage.

    They will and its going to be carnage. Some kids will get sick but they will spread it like wildfire and then the fun starts.


  • #7944
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Drumpot wrote:
    I remember her partner was tested few months back when he was sick and it was negative. He works in health and safety and got these new tests that supposedly check for antibodies aswell and it seems he has some anti bodies which means he had (had not has edit) COVID.

    She has a friend in UCD who said 25% of tests can give false positives.

    I don’t find this alarming as I still think it’s easy to forget we are early doors in the pandemic and mistakes will be made. It’s more a good reminder that mistakes are being made and we get the information that our authorities believe are relevant. There’s no conspiracy with this line of thought, more a reminder that there really are variables about the virus we are still trying to figure out, including how to communicate information.
    I dont know what relevance UCD has here. What's that persons connection to the testing process? Where did they source an antibody test? Did they say the PCR or antibody test had 25%FP?

    25% FP is ridiculous. No test would be used if it was that bad. The incidences of FP are extremely low as the PCR test specifically detects SARS CoV 2.
    There would be a higher incidence of false negatives, but that is difficult to asssess as most of those would be down to poor sample collection.

    If the swab is taken properly, by a trained healthcare worker, then the result is highly likely to be valid.


  • #7945
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    MD1990 wrote: »
    do they think they are getting all the cases now?
    Only 50-70k tests a week.

    Next week a few schools will most likely have people who have the virus unknown to them.
    Nolan going on about flu but this virus is more infectious.

    We will probably go back to phase 1 now after the insistence on schools going back

    Then where will the Department of Finance get the money for the health service and for other public services? No functioning economy means less revenue.


  • #7946
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    dere34 wrote: »
    See Maria McCann from BBC News NI? The photos on her Twitter are seriously worrying. I don't think schools will open at this stage.

    I went on and didn't see any. Would you be able to link if you wouldn't mind?


  • #7947
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Yet no country in the world has managed to eradicate it?
    Nope but some like South Korea, Taiwan and China can get on top of new outbreaks very quickly. That's how we live with it.


  • #7948
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,110 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blondini wrote: »
    I predict abseentism amongst teachers between 10 and 20% from the start.

    It'd be the smart thing. Unless that teacher is also a parent in which case they likely will catch it then. At least they wont spread it further I guess


  • #7949
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    A big figure on a news conference day, can somebody do the stats in this

    Pathetic
    The positive tests lined up perfectly with the confirmed cases today


  • #7950
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If people who have contracted the virus and know they have it stay at home for a fortnight then they won't pass it on to others. So why would any of them feel obliged to tell their GPs if they're not seriously ill?


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  • #7951
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    A big figure on a news conference day, can somebody do the stats in this

    Pathetic

    You've lost me. What stats do you want done?


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