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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7592
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The good old legally difficult lines being rolled out now.

    Surely they would have looked into it before announcing it ?

    https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1296437224905609217?s=19

    Would you not think they would pick up the phone to him before announcing it..?!


  • #7593
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The HSE did indeed as suspected double count last nights numbers in ICU

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296380658139443201?s=19

    It was obvious they did but it didn't stop RTÉ telling us that 12 is ICU now.


  • #7594
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Would you not think they would pick up the phone to him before announcing it..?!

    You'd think so but nope


  • #7595
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You'd think so but nope

    Their like squabbling children. Someone needs to take a lead. Forget party politics and polls or whatever this is far top serious. Wonder would it be different if like in UK we had fixated term act so there would be less political gamesmanship


  • #7596
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The good old legally difficult lines being rolled out now.

    Surely they would have looked into it before announcing it ?

    https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1296437224905609217?s=19

    I understood that it was a "maybe" for the future. They were just floating the idea.


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  • #7597
    Sunrise.Sunset
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 ✭Sunrise.Sunset


    Do public health guidelines apply to doctors when they are not on duty?

    I have close connections with a GP and his family and I witnessed some behaviour over the past few weeks as if the public health guidelines doesn't apply to him or his family or even the wider community.

    1)his family came down with colds and they never tested for covid even though they had some coughing. What's worse is that they never isolated and they continued on with their lives as normal. The children all had play dates, sleep and attended to parties.

    2) we have new guidelines to control the spread of the virus within home environments. From my connections, I know that's not being followed.

    What hope is there for the rest of the population if a GP with all his years in college doesn't understand the public health guidelines?


  • #7598
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,855 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hate to say it but it looks like it is spreading from DP centre to DP centre and on to low paid work environments in the vicinity of those centres. If the way we have accommodated what is ultimately a small number of people has been a significant contributor to resurgent spread, it is a damming indictment on how we have managed the issue

    If we dare to try and do anything about it at DP centers though you’ll have the more lunatic fringes of society screaming the race card.


    Already sick of the amount of ‘passes’ people are trying to hand out to certain parts of society, absolving them from doing their bit, duty and responsibilities for us all.... if you are in DP you have an equal responsibility, if you are young, elderly, a business person, unemployed... all supposed to be in this together.


  • #7599
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    While this is true and he's not correct about what the median total lead time is - surely in an evenly distributed data set - there shouldn't be a 50% delta between the median total lead time of 2.3 day and the sum of the individual median's of 3.7...

    that would indicate some absolutely massive outliers?

    The main difference is that the contact tracing time he's using is for positive cases only, he's ignoring the negatives that make up the massive majority of contact tracing.

    He's also using the time to all contacts traced for positives, not the time to patient informed. Basically he's a neuroscientist professor that is trying to sound like an expert on something he doesn't even have basic data comprehension on.


  • #7600
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    blowitupref wrote: »
    It was obvious they did but it didn't stop RTÉ telling us that 12 is ICU now.

    It goes to show that’s it’s hard not to be cynical and start questioning all the hysteria and scaremongering that’s going on.isn’t amazing how now since deaths and hospitalised people are staying low the media is hyping up cases.


  • #7601
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    blowitupref wrote: »
    It was obvious they did but it didn't stop RTÉ telling us that 12 is ICU now.

    RTE can only report the numbers published. What are they to do?


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  • #7602
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    seamus wrote: »
    Here's this nonsense again. Yes, it's the end of the world if you can't sit and watch your child play matches for a year.

    This is a temporary measure. We just have to suck it up. The primary purpose of a match is practice and exercise. Parents being able to watch is a bonus.

    Rubbish, it is an important part of family life that memories are made from. You suck it up all day long if you like and watch the empty years go by, but the horse has bolted and there will be feck all compliance going forward.


  • #7603
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunrise.Sunset wrote: »
    Do public health guidelines apply to doctors when they are not on duty?

    I have close connections with a GP and his family and I witnessed some behaviour over the past few weeks as if the public health guidelines doesn't apply to him or his family or even the wider community.

    1)his family came down with colds and they never tested for covid even though they had some coughing. What's worse is that they never isolated and they continued on with their lives as normal. The children all had play dates, sleep and attended to parties.

    2) we have new guidelines to control the spread of the virus within home environments. From my connections, I know that's not being followed.

    What hope is there for the rest of the population if a GP with all his years in college doesn't understand the public health guidelines?

    College and /or intelligence is not an inoculation against idiocy


  • #7604
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    El Sueño wrote: »
    I'm constantly hearing soundbites like this and it's getting tiresome.

    Until the hospital numbers start to increase significantly from current levels there's absolutely no need for people to panic.

    The problem is, when it jumps up significantly, then it's at least 2-3 weeks too late to do anything. You're back being reactive.


  • #7605
    Psychiatric Patrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Sunrise.Sunset wrote: »
    Do public health guidelines apply to doctors when they are not on duty?

    I have close connections with a GP and his family and I witnessed some behaviour over the past few weeks as if the public health guidelines doesn't apply to him or his family or even the wider community.

    1)his family came down with colds and they never tested for covid even though they had some coughing. What's worse is that they never isolated and they continued on with their lives as normal. The children all had play dates, sleep and attended to parties.

    2) we have new guidelines to control the spread of the virus within home environments. From my connections, I know that's not being followed.

    What hope is there for the rest of the population if a GP with all his years in college doesn't understand the public health guidelines?

    Did you report this to the appropriate authorities?


  • #7606
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Are there very subtle hints appearing that those in power are coming around to the fact that lockdown is not an option (whether considered over-reacting or not), eradication is close to impossible, and that it might in fact be better to attempt to get back to normal while shielding the elderly, where possible?

    Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but very few governments will come out and say "back at it everyone, except the elderly", but even with the mixed messaging in MM speech, it was practically "we can't lockdown the elderly, but ffs do your best to avoid it."

    Seems like they didn't like the chances of it "running through the healthy" but now it's happening and running through younger people, with more evidence of lots of asymptomatics?

    I dunno, just thinking out loud here, seemed to be maybe leaning that way.

    Exactly as it should have been from the start.


  • #7607
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Arghus wrote: »
    I understood that it was a "maybe" for the future. They were just floating the idea.

    Nope it was a we're doing this and giving them extra power


  • #7608
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    RTE can only report the numbers published. What are they to do?

    When the data doesn't look right, they should query it before reporting on it. That's journalism - a forgotten art, sadly! All the media seem to do these days is report press releases, there is very little attempt to analyse what is going on.


  • #7609
    Sunrise.Sunset
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 ✭Sunrise.Sunset


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    Did you report this to the appropriate authorities?

    Where does someone report it to?


  • #7610
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Nope it was a we're doing this and giving them extra power

    I disagree. I don't remember them saying they were definitely going to do it. They certainly never mentioned it explicitly in the press conference. It was the Gavin O' Reilly tweets about whispers that got the ball rolling.

    You can point me to the quotes if I am mistaken.


  • #7611
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    seamus wrote:
    A lot of swabs taken again yesterday; ~11,000. I'm very glad to see a lot of mass testing now taking place, but it does mean that we can expect new cases to remain in the 75-150 range for the next few days.
    Thats swabs processed in laboratories.

    If the throughout can stretch to over 11k tests a day which isn't full capacity, that to me indicates the reported delays are due to the communication of these results when mass testing is thrown into the mix.


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  • #7612
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    We should be the full 100k, 10k for close contacts and referrals and 90k random tests around the country. This would surely stop the virus. This test when youve symptoms is already too late, probably the person had the virus and spread it before they felt anything


  • #7613
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    We should be the full 100k, 10k for close contacts and referrals and 90k random tests around the country. This would surely stop the virus. This test when youve symptoms is already too late, probably the person had the virus and spread it before they felt anything
    If the close contacts are up to 50 apiece there are going to be delays anyway. Random tests are a waste of money, remember that €200 cost per test and we'd be back to the low positivity of early March where people had other things or nothing.


  • #7614
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The good old legally difficult lines being rolled out now.

    Surely they would have looked into it before announcing it ?

    https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1296437224905609217?s=19

    MM and the rest of the circus lineup knew there would be difficulties in what they were suggesting. There's a little matter of property rights which has been highlighted many times during the on going housing crisis. It is a toothless threat.
    To give AGS the power to go into a house without a warrant in the manner suggested would almost certainly need legislation which would involve a Dail vote but I suspect a referendum would be the most likely requirement.


  • #7615
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    virginmediapls wrote: »
    You're right, the next few weeks will be piss easy.

    I am off to Marbs with the lads, no need for any cares in the world whatsoever, the kids will be safe in school and my job is safe as can be.

    Happy days indeed.

    Obviously that's not what I meant but you knew that already. Grow up ffs


  • #7616
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    So we are looking at

    1) over 100 cases reported today

    2) under 100 cases reported and the rest of the positive tests from the last 24hrs added into Fridays confirmed number.

    I'll guess on number 2.


  • #7617
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    I disagree. I don't remember them saying they were definitely going to do it. They certainly never mentioned it explicitly in the press conference. It was the Gavin O' Reilly tweets about whispers that got the ball rolling.

    You can point me to the quotes if I am mistaken.

    Donnelly was certainly suggesting giving AGS extra powers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-powers-5180261-Aug2020/


  • #7618
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Its being realistic, blind optimism is just stupid at this stage. Not a soundbite their is obvious evidence of what is likely to happen.

    Honestly didn't mean it as a dig at you, I agree blind optimism is stupid but look at it this way: two weeks ago we had 273 cases in 48 hours and the total number in hospital has only increased by 5 since then, I do feel the lack of people in hospital is a positive.


  • #7619
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Donnelly was certainly suggesting giving AGS extra powers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-powers-5180261-Aug2020/

    Yes, but it was only hinted at as a possibility and while acknowledging that it was a complicated thing to bring into being and wouldn't happen with immediate effect.

    They've only flown the odd kite, they haven't announced anything, as some people seem to have mistakenly thought, and it's definitely not a case of "we're doing it."


  • #7620
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1296396611992653824?s=19

    Omfg. This is lunacy


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  • #7621
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    When the data doesn't look right, they should query it before reporting on it. That's journalism - a forgotten art, sadly! All the media seem to do these days is report press releases, there is very little attempt to analyse what is going on.

    Absolutely, as soon as the report came out last night, anyone who is familiar with it would have spotted something was off about it. I posted it, mentioned it seemed a bit odd and plenty of others said the same. Journalists should be familiar with it at this stage, but it's the same as publishing the numbers as they go up, and publishing the suspected case numbers when the actual numbers drop.


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