Masks

bush · 20-08-2020 12:26PM

No: other

Graham wrote: »

Increased deaths aside for now, the Swedish are better at complying with government/health guidelines.

I hate to say it but there's a large cohort of our population who have clearly demonstrated they can't be trusted to do the same.

I completely disagree with this. The vast majority of people followed the guidelines from the beginning. Even the idiotic ones like 5k limit were followed.

GT89 · 20-08-2020 12:28PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Dubl07 wrote: »

I hope your grandparents and parents are proud of you and will be equally proud of your independence and arrogance when they lock the door in your face.

Why would they do that?

John O.Groats · 20-08-2020 12:36PM

Yes: surgical

dartboardio wrote: »

Yes really.. believe it or not.

Scientific studies my bxllix.. Sorry!

I refuse to believe a piece of cloth on my face protects anyone around me. Infact, I don't think there's much we need to be protected from. Considering the other causes of death that many people endure have been completely ignored this year.

and no, I don't go around giving out about restrictions or refusing to wear masks, but that is my own personal opinion deep down.

I suppose you also refuse to believe that a piece of fabric with a buckle attached to it wrapped across your body while driving a car could save your life in the event of an accident too.

wonski · 20-08-2020 12:39PM

Tork wrote: »

Not Sweden isn't acting like there is no virus, despite the headlines.

And their numbers are not great either.

Highest number of deaths in population in long time. Coincidence maybe, but Sweden has made many mistakes lately, no matter what some Facebook or twitter anti vaccine pandemic tin foil hats merchants are claiming.

Graham · 20-08-2020 12:43PM

bush wrote: »

I completely disagree with this. The vast majority of people followed the guidelines from the beginning. Even the idiotic ones like 5k limit were followed.

Maybe your right bush, I certainly hope you are.

I was in the supermarket this morning and didn't spot a single person without a mask. That's a first.

Perhaps my opinion is jaded by a few of the keyboard commandos in this thread who in all reality probably do the right thing when they're out in the real world.

Wibbs · 20-08-2020 12:43PM

Yes: other

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Im amazed someone who went through i assume medical school to become a doctor could say such things and number 2 he could be quite possibly be damaging his career. His practice is in rush and I am sure a large precentage of people seeing him talk such nonsense would turn them off visiting his practice, I know i wouldnt return to ask him for advice after seeing his youtube videos.

Well just because someone holds a medical degree does not mean they can't be morons/attention seekers/hustlers. US media is full of all three. And as sure as there are morons/attention seekers/hustlers, there are enough people devoid of critical thinking that will look to them as experts and swallow their patter of "sticking it to The Man". Yet another retarded American import of paranoia and idiocy too many here seem to be heir to. I mean look at the woman professor whose namely mercifully escapes who got her 15 minutes of fame a while back egging on the conspiracy nuts while spouting not a single thing that was a long standing, well researched and provable scientific fact. She got all sorts of support from the Kens and Karens on facebook, twitter and the like.

Like I've said before thank christ this wasn't some novel form smallpox, airborne ebola or pneumonic plague, because this covid19 shows how infectious agents rely on a too large percentage of human morons to spread. As one commentator noted we may have to retire the phrase "avoid like the plague" as too many do the complete opposite.

John O.Groats · 20-08-2020 12:46PM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

Why should I change the way I live in order for some people to live? Is your life worth more than mine? There induvidual ways not to catch cv19 like cocooning if your that paranoid.

You sound like a lovely character..................not.:rolleyes: Why should people have to run the risk of catching a potentially fatal disease just because you are uncomfortable in doing such a simple thing as wearing a mask? Is your need to avoid being uncomfortable more important than other vulnerable people`s health and lives? If you are that paranoid about wearing one then change your job to one where you can stay far away from other people or alternatively follow your own advice and stay at home and cocoon yourself.

The Nal · 20-08-2020 12:52PM

Of all the things in the world to worry about, popping a mask on when you go into a shop really should be well down the list.

I don't think anyone had a huge problem with them. Anyone arguing against is just an edgelord who has nothing better to do than argue with people online.

John O.Groats · 20-08-2020 12:57PM

Yes: surgical

Graham wrote: »

Maybe your right bush, I certainly hope you are.

I was in the supermarket this morning and didn't spot a single person without a mask. That's a first.

Perhaps my opinion is jaded by a few of the keyboard commandos in this thread who in all reality probably do the right thing when they're out in the real world.

The keyboard commandos are not confined to this thread unfortunately but you`re right. In the real world the majority of them do exactly as they are advised to do.

John O.Groats · 20-08-2020 01:01PM

Yes: surgical

The Nal wrote: »

Of all the things in the world to worry about, popping a mask on when you go into a shop really should be well down the list.

I don't think anyone had a huge problem with them. Anyone arguing against is just an edgelord who has nothing better to do than argue with people online.

But the "I have my rights" cohort think the rules shouldn`t apply to them.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:04PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

Why should I change the way I live in order for some people to live? Is your life worth more than mine? There induvidual ways not to catch cv19 like cocooning if your that paranoid.

The same reason you don't drive at motorway speeds through town or past schools, or why you stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross the road safely.

Is my life worth more than your need to shave 5 seconds off the time it takes you to drive to work? Yes it is.
Is my life worth more than your desire to not wear a mask? Yes, it is.

Edit: Would like to let us all know how your life is being put at risk by a requirement to wear a mask in enclosed places? What is this fatal condition you have which prevents you from wearing a mask?

pjohnson · 20-08-2020 01:08PM

robinph wrote: »

The same reason you don't drive at motorway speeds through town or past schools, or why you stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross the road safely.

Is my life worth more than your need to shave 5 seconds off the time it takes you to drive to work? Yes it is.
Is my life worth more than your desire to not wear a mask? Yes, it is.

Well in reality some people do speed dangerously past schools also some people wouldn't even be sober while driving so its not that suprising to also meet that type online.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:14PM

No: I don't care enough

dartboardio wrote: »

Didn't say anything of the sort. ^

Don't get so caught up on it, some people are skeptical of the virus, others aren't. Surprise surprise. Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts. :rolleyes:

Stop trying to patronize me just because you disagree with mine. :pac:

Perfectly okay for someone to question the validity of a virus that has not even killed a percentage of our population yet the whole world was almost on lockdown.

You claim to have not said it's all a conspiracy by then telling us that it's a worldwide conspiracy?

Question things is fine, here is some for you:
What is the reasons you have for why the world has gone into lockdown?
Who is behind it?
Why do they want us to wear masks?
Why have governments around the world shut down their economy's and shut down borders?
What is the motivation for doing such things?

Do you just think that all the worlds leaders and scientists have gone mad simultaneously? Or is it the lizard people telling them what to do?

GT89 · 20-08-2020 01:17PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

John O.Groats wrote: »

If you are that paranoid about wearing one then change your job to one where you can stay far away from other people or alternatively follow your own advice and stay at home and cocoon yourself.

I want to change job but in case you haven't noticed the damage the riddiculous policy of lockdown has done to the economy jobs are few and far between these days.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:21PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I want to change job but in case you haven't noticed the damage the riddiculous policy of lockdown has done to the economy jobs are few and far between these days.

...and by wearing a mask when in enclosed spaces you can increase the chances of various parts of the economy being able to restart sooner.

GT89 · 20-08-2020 01:21PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

The same reason you don't drive at motorway speeds through town or past schools, or why you stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross the road safely.

Is my life worth more than your need to shave 5 seconds off the time it takes you to drive to work? Yes it is.
Is my life worth more than your desire to not wear a mask? Yes, it is.

Edit: Would like to let us all know how your life is being put at risk by a requirement to wear a mask in enclosed places? What is this fatal condition you have which prevents you from wearing a mask?

Except driving at a slower speed dosen't cause extreme discomfort and isn't weird looking. Mask wearing in my view is very strange looking and not the norm in society where as driving at a slower speed is.

GT89 · 20-08-2020 01:23PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

...and by wearing a mask when in enclosed spaces you can increase the chances of various parts of the economy being able to restart sooner.

The economy can be reopened now and did not even have to shut down in the first place. Nothing stopping except pure and utter paranoia.

almostover · 20-08-2020 01:24PM

Tork wrote: »

So how do you propose to solve this?

You're not going to get an answer to that question as it easier for that poster to troll and give out. Actually thinking of a viable solution alternative to reducing the risk of virus transmission as best we can is beyond the best minds in our society. Dont think GT89 is going to offer anything worthwhile.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:25PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

Except driving at a slower speed dosen't cause extreme discomfort and isn't weird looking. Mask wearing in my view is very strange looking and not the norm in society where as driving at a slower speed is.

Extreme discomfort? I've yet to see anyone in extreme discomfort from wearing a mask but are there any reports of people being admitted to hospital for this severe allergic reaction you've discovered. It sounds horrific and I'm surprised we've not seen more details on this condition yet.

Weird looking? You may have noticed that most people are wearing masks, it currently looks weird to not be wearing a mask. If you don't want to stand out then maybe try putting a mask on.

almostover · 20-08-2020 01:26PM

GT89 wrote: »

The economy can be reopened now and did not even have to shut down in the first place. Nothing stopping except pure and utter paranoia.

So let a virus overwhelm our health system? The current mortality rate in Ireland is pretty high. Your proposal would likely lead to 10s of thousands of deaths.

Graham · 20-08-2020 01:27PM

GT89 wrote: »

Mask wearing in my view is very strange looking and not the norm in society

stick around.

almostover · 20-08-2020 01:30PM

robinph wrote: »

Extreme discomfort? I've yet to see anyone in extreme discomfort from wearing a mask but are there any reports of people being admitted to hospital for this severe allergic reaction you've discovered. It sounds horrific and I'm surprised we've not seen more details on this condition yet.

Weird looking? You may have noticed that most people are wearing masks, it currently looks weird to not be wearing a mask. If you don't want to stand out then maybe try putting a mask on.

To add to this, I have asthma, a respiratory condition. My lungs arent as efficient as they should be. I work onsite in a factory 2 days a week where I've to wear a surgical mask at all times expect when eating. These days I wear a mask 8-9 hours a day changing them regularly. At worst the mask is a minor irritant. I barely notice it now that I'm used to wearing it. I dont think I look that weird either wearing it, if I did it wouldn't bother me. It protects my work colleagues from me potentially spreading the virus to them and their masks protects me. I'm happy we found away to get back to work.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:30PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

The economy can be reopened now and did not even have to shut down in the first place. Nothing stopping except pure and utter paranoia.

There may be some paranoia about alright. But how is wearing a mask impacting you negatively in anyway?

If governments around the world are refusing to allow the economy to reopen until everyone wears a mask and infection numbers come back down which method of getting things restarted do you think is likely to be quicker, safer and easier to get the majority of the population behind?
(a) Get everyone to wear masks or (b) get everyone to riot against their governments and overthrow them?

railer201 · 20-08-2020 01:33PM

Yes: valved

dartboardio wrote: »

Yes really.. believe it or not.

Scientific studies my bxllix.. Sorry!

I refuse to believe a piece of cloth on my face protects anyone around me. Infact, I don't think there's much we need to be protected from. Considering the other causes of death that many people endure have been completely ignored this year.

and no, I don't go around giving out about restrictions or refusing to wear masks, but that is my own personal opinion deep down.

Who could argue with that - who would want to ?

GT89 · 20-08-2020 01:35PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

almostover wrote: »

So let a virus overwhelm our health system? The current mortality rate in Ireland is pretty high. Your proposal would likely lead to 10s of thousands of deaths.

I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

Tork · 20-08-2020 01:40PM

Yes: to protect others

GT89 wrote: »

I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

It's good to see you're being consistent. It must be lovely to live a life devoid of empathy.

GT89 · 20-08-2020 01:41PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

There may be some paranoia about alright. But how is wearing a mask impacting you negatively in anyway?

I find them extremely uncomfortable and claustrophobic to wear. I feel they are unnatural to wear I know some would disagree but I can only speak for myself and say I don't like wearing them for extended periods of time. I wear a visor now in work which is a bit better than a mask but still not ideal.

robinph · 20-08-2020 01:48PM

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

Do you speed when driving past schools etc? Or do you consider the speed limits in place to actually be a reasonable requirement (mostly) for the population as a whole to follow in order to protect other people out using the streets and hospitals from unnecessary injuries needing to be treated?

Why is following rules in relation to speed limits for the good of the whole OK, but following a rule regarding masks in enclosed spaces not?

If you didn't actually care about other people you'd be driving as fast as possible everywhere as you are more important than the rest of us and don't personally know the other people on the street that you crash into, so therefore they don't matter to you and don't deserve to live if they are not quick enough to jump out of your way.

RoYoBo · 20-08-2020 01:56PM

Yes: valved

GT89 wrote: »

I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

A bit of drilling down required here. Let's assume you're correct and that neither you nor those who mean anything to you are at risk of Covid 19. Are you and they at risk of nothing at all that would require a functioning health service?

How about the 'normality' you claim to want in society - pubs open and unrestricted movement etc. What measures are going to ensure this return to normality? How functional would said economy be if people not willing to expose themselves to Covid 19 decide to stay home and not spend their money in your shop, restaurant or any other venue?

Even if this was only a minor illness, the fact that it can run rampant throughout society and decimate the working population requires some measures to contain it, for the sake of the economy if nothing else.

I get it - no one likes controls and restrictions and masks are not a comfortable 'choice' for many people. However, it's not an option to simply ignore this disease and pretend it isn't there.

almostover · 20-08-2020 01:57PM

GT89 wrote: »

I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

You're just trolling so, that's fine. If you're not trolling then you may be a sociopath.

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