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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7472
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    polesheep wrote: »
    Good for you and thank you for that insight into your life.

    I, on the other hand, would always go for a drink after the cinema. I love the theatre and usually try to combine it with a drink or meal. And you are 'just as disappointed' not to go to a match as someone who has to cancel their wedding? really?

    I had a summer job in ticketmaster 20 years ago. Theatre tickets were sold in twos and threes. Match tickets (of which there were few that went through ticketmaster at the time) were regularly bought up in blocks of eight or ten.

    The point of the "just as disappointed" paragraph was to compare restricting match spectators to restricting wedding guests. Clearly there is less impact on a match spectator of not being able to go to a match than there is on a bride and groom who had planned for 50 guests and are now cancelling their wedding (probably for the second time) because the allowed guests have been reduced to six. Add in the economic impact of that cancellation and it's a no brainer that an exemption was allowed for weddings.


  • #7473
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1296396611992653824?s=19


  • #7474
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭plodder


    Luke O'Neill was on Pat Kenny's program talking about a promising preventive (antibody) drug from Lilly called Ly-Cov-555 being tested out in an 8 week phase 3 trial in care homes in the US. If that works, we can hopefully not have to worry as much about outbreaks in nursing homes.

    Another thing he mentioned was one of the reasons (I hadn't heard before) for reducing death rates is improved treatments for the coagulopathy (the blood clotting characteristic). He didn't say this, but I wonder if this will also reduce the long term effects on survivors with cases that might have resulted in blood clots?


  • #7475
    [Deleted User]
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    JDD wrote: »
    I had a summer job in ticketmaster 20 years ago. Theatre tickets were sold in twos and threes. Match tickets (of which there were few that went through ticketmaster at the time) were regularly bought up in blocks of eight or ten.

    The point of the "just as disappointed" paragraph was to compare restricting match spectators to restricting wedding guests. Clearly there is less impact on a match spectator of not being able to go to a match than there is on a bride and groom who had planned for 50 guests and are now cancelling their wedding (probably for the second time) because the allowed guests have been reduced to six. Add in the economic impact of that cancellation and it's a no brainer that an exemption was allowed for weddings.

    A false equivalence. Tickets for an All Ireland Quarter Final may have been bought in Blocks of 10. Under 12 B county semi final, less so. Nobody is saying open up Croke Park to large crowds.


  • #7476
    Billgirlylegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    polesheep wrote: »
    Just 'disappear' to the far side of the pitch. It's totally unenforceable.

    Agreed.

    But you would be concerned about the motives behind it.
    That Donnelly chancer said they had "proof" that outbreaks were caused by people meeting before and after the match.
    Not during, not travelling - meeting
    I'd love to see that proof.


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  • #7477
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    Exactly. It's an impressive piece of plastic though all the same. Let's hope the air doesn't move around it too much.


  • #7478
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1296396611992653824?s=19

    Wont eliminate, but will reduce transmission. That is all any measure can do


  • #7479
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I've been saying since the outset that the wedding thing doesn't fit in. And it's about risk and reward.

    Weddings are relatively few and bar between, with limited numbers anyway. The reward of schools returning outweigh that risk.

    That's for explaining about risk and reward. I'd say the reward for children's activities and support form their family far outweigh a few 'I Dos' in the scheme of life.


  • #7480
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Exactly. It's an impressive piece of plastic though all the same. Let's hope the air doesn't move around it too much.

    Air moves, who knew??


  • #7481
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    plodder wrote: »
    Luke O'Neill was on Pat Kenny's program talking about a promising preventive (antibody) drug from Lilly called Ly-Cov-555 being tested out in an 8 week phase 3 trial in care homes in the US. If that works, we can hopefully not have to worry as much about outbreaks in nursing homes.

    Another thing he mentioned was one of the reasons (I hadn't heard before) for reducing death rates is improved treatments including for the coagulopathy (the blood clotting characteristic). He didn't say this, but I wonder if this will reduce the long term effects on survivors with severe cases caused by blood clots?

    The reason why there are less deaths is that less people are being affected to the point where death is likely, but that is not as sexy as a new drug or treatment. Did he have any reason for reducing hospitalisations?


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  • #7482
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Creches and food pubs have been open for almost two months with virtually no cases traced back to them.
    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/08/18/creche-to-remain-closed-until-next-monday/

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-creche-staff-member-who-22413394.amp

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1154769/

    At least three crèches in the links above. My brother uses one in Carrigaline Cork which had to partially close last week due to "close contact tracing" of a member of staff, which has been going on for a week now and twelve families are still awaiting tests. Also only 1/3 of childcare facilities have even reopened because the measures put in place were prohibitively expensive. Pods have 1 carer to 8 children and infant rooms have even fewer in their pods.


  • #7483
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1296396611992653824?s=19

    The teacher is supposed to sit down? Have they ever been in a classroom?


  • #7484
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Exactly. It's an impressive piece of plastic though all the same. Let's hope the air doesn't move around it too much.

    Its more useful to protect the teacher from paper spitballs.

    In reality its just another unscientific visual prop to make people believe that they're 'suppressing the virus'.

    Like visors and masks, if they allow normal life to begin to resume then I'm all for them.


  • #7485
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    He didn't ban matches. He is telling parents to drop their young kids off at a GAA pitch and disappear for over an hour.
    It is ludicrous.

    The parents could always just sit in the car while the match is being played, no need to disappear off.


  • #7486
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Ireland on same trajectory as Spain.
    New Zealand seem to have turned a corner.
    Just to note 1 on the y-axis is zerocovid. (1/100,0000)
    Finland on way to it.

    6034073


  • #7487
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    polesheep wrote: »
    Did he have any reason for reducing hospitalisations?

    He did in his bol#x.

    The risk of a Covid death is dying off by itself

    These guys are trying to keep the hysteria on life support


  • #7488
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    77 cases in Scotland, highest number in 3 months


  • #7489
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/08/18/creche-to-remain-closed-until-next-monday/

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-creche-staff-member-who-22413394.amp

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1154769/

    At least three crèches in the links above. My brother uses one in Carrigaline Cork which had to partially close last week due to "close contact tracing" of a member of staff, which has been going on for a week now and twelve families are still awaiting tests. Also only 1/3 of childcare facilities have even reopened because the measures put in place were prohibitively expensive. Pods have 1 carer to 8 children and infant rooms have even fewer in their pods.

    7 cases. Out of a creche population of 200,000 children approx.

    How many of those who tested positive had symptoms?

    Again, perspective is needed here.

    Correction - if only a 1/3 have opened, and I'll round down, 60,000 children.


  • #7490
    Billgirlylegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Each school has a plan.

    Ha!
    Have you heard about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

    The objective is to get all schoolgoing kids back to school next week.
    I got the "plan" for our school.

    The Department of Education issued it's plan recently.
    You should read it.
    It is the standard stuff about hand washing social distancing and the rest of the stuff.

    Nothing about room dimensions / room capacity / desk placing / entrance / exit.
    A case of whatever you think yourselves.
    They have had at least 16 weeks and they came up with SFA


  • #7491
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    He did in his bol#x.

    The risk of a Covid death is dying off by itself

    These guys are trying to keep the hysteria on life support

    Exactly . Yuppies in suits loving the attention


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  • #7492
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    77 cases in Scotland, highest number in 3 months

    a week after schools re opened
    15 schools in Scotland already having problems.

    time to accept around the world that schools cannot re open until a vaccine is out next year


  • #7493
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Ah yeah because that'll work lads, particles don't move in the air or around screens.

    https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1296396611992653824?s=19

    Farcical. Just do it online until January ffs


  • #7494
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    The parents could always just sit in the car while the match is being played, no need to disappear off.

    Are they allowed to get out of the car and stand beside it?


  • #7495
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Farcical. Just do it online until January ffs

    What's January going to bring? 0 Covid?


  • #7496
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭plodder


    polesheep wrote: »
    The reason why there are less deaths is that less people are being affected to the point where death is likely, but that is not as sexy as a new drug or treatment. Did he have any reason for reducing hospitalisations?
    There are multiple reasons for fewer deaths. He mentioned the younger average age of cases (resulting in fewer hospitalisations), which we already know about, and which is why a preventive treatment for the elderly or vulnerable would be so useful.

    Worth listening back to the podcast. There was other stuff such as new less invasive saliva tests. Overall, it would give you hope that some real progress will be made before a new Winter surge in our half of the globe.


  • #7497
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Its more useful to protect the teacher from paper spitballs.

    In reality its just another unscientific visual prop to make people believe that they're 'suppressing the virus'.

    Like visors and masks, if they allow normal life to begin to resume then I'm all for them.

    I'd agree with you. That will protect against short and medium droplets. It doesn't protect against aerosol that is long range hangs in the air and is proportional to the amount of people in the room and inversely proportional to the size of the room and the amount of air changes.

    Windows need to be open. If you can open windows on opposite sides of a room even better. In a normal size room the air would be changed out every seven minutes if windows doors open with minimal wind. The poxy wind is actually an advantage we have here compared to other countries.

    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1296166718142914561?s=20


  • #7498
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    What's January going to bring? 0 Covid?

    Allow time for normal flu season to pass, allow time for cases to decrease, allow time for schools to be better prepared for physical teaching. What does rushing kids back to school for "normality" achieve when they're going back to an alien and unfamiliar environment with all the changes that need to be made?


  • #7499
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Exactly . Yuppies in suits loving the attention

    I have a lot of time for Luke O'Neill as a scientist, but since he was brought into the pandemic media he has been hopping about like an excited puppy. He should focus on his core strengths, but he seems to think that he should give an answer to every media question.


  • #7500
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    What's January going to bring? 0 Covid?

    Vaccine trials are going very well.
    Long term there has been great news about immunity.

    This winter will most likely be carnage with the insistence of schools re opening which will cause huge spread of the virus. While people are not allowed attend outdoor sports events.

    This new government are a disgrace not looking at scientific evidence & not shutting down meat plants quick enough.


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  • #7501
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Allow time for normal flu season to pass, allow time for cases to decrease, allow time for schools to be better prepared for physical teaching. What does rushing kids back to school for "normality" achieve when they're going back to an alien and unfamiliar environment with all the changes that need to be made?

    Flu season doesn't end til March. And doesn't start til mid-October.

    Cases decreased to single figures, then went up again... again, why would that change in a couple of months?

    I would agree on the last point, the measures are pointless, all in or all out.


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