Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 10:58AM

Hurrache wrote: »

We're talking about the GAA tantrum though, not the other things, which I already acknowledged were a mess.

So you acknowledge things are a mess and yet the biggest sporting organisation in the country looking for a meeting to discuss the "mess" which has a big impact on their 500K+ members is a tantrum.

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 10:59AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

But yet I can go to an indoor theatre with 50 people for as long as I want or a wedding.

Same points apply then, how did they travel to the theatre, did they meet people before, will they meet people after , oh and its indoor, a hell of a lot more risk than outdoor.

You can see where people have issues no ?

Also that video from Glynn and I've watched it didn't clear much up at all. I've also read the NPHET report and that's very light on specific evidence also.

This whole thing has been a mess since it was announced

Weddings involve the hospitality industry and they are very reluctant to penalise them. Theatres and entertainment are a long way down the list of things any government cares about at present. I think they are very likely to stick to their guns on this because of the schools.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 11:04AM

robbiezero wrote: »

So you acknowledge things are a mess and yet the biggest sporting organisation in the country looking for a meeting to discuss the "mess" which has a big impact on their 500K+ members is a tantrum.

What the GAA are whinging about is the most obvious thing to all and sundry, since March.

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 11:04AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats fine, GAA while I think were right to look for clarity went about it the wrong way.

FAI for example went to the Department for sport who are in talks with Dept of Health. Only public comment has been we're talking to government.

While I couldn't give a rats about the FAI,
I'd prefer to see some transparency about the whole process.
The FAI is no position to make anything awkward for the Government and will be just fobbed off or be told something about trampolines.

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 11:05AM

Hurrache wrote: »

What the GAA are whinging about is the most obvious thing to all and sundry, since March.

Kingston Mills must be a dope so if he is confused about it.

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 11:07AM

plodder wrote: »

Contemplating total lockdown when there are 6 cases in ICU would be total insanity.

Hospitalisation numbers don't seem to be driving policy primarily. Its the positive PCR cases which are mostly asymptomatic that are.

The muddled strategy thats now directing NPHET is 'zero-Covid' aka 'Burn down the barn to kill a spider.'

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 11:09AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Unfortunately the hse report shows quite a jump (relatively) in ICU.

There’s now 12 in ICU, up from 7 yesterday. 6 are ventilated, up from 4 yesterday.

Hospital numbers are at 16, down from 20 yesterday.

There does seem to be something odd with the report, given each hospital with icu patients all have 2 each, and some of those only show 1 in general beds, but they are reported at slightly different times (6.30 for ICU and 8pm for general beds)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-19-august-2020.pdf

As suspected - the data was doubled and has since been amended

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296380658139443201?s=20

Also interesting, 50 contacts

https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1296387813005496320?s=20

20-08-2020 11:09AM

at least holahan gave the mean and median number of the deaths, why are we not getting this?? I cannot see it anywhere. All I can see is blah blah average spread under 45's..

Paddygreen · 20-08-2020 11:09AM

Hurrache wrote: »

We're talking about the GAA tantrum though, not the other things, which I already acknowledged were a mess.
People are looking for 'evidence'. The rise in community transmission numbers is all they evidence they need.

The curve hasn’t been flattened to the point where our experts can tell our politicians advisors to tell our leaders to modify the rules. We need to flatten the curve guys so I just think we should do what Simon says going forward.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 11:10AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

As suspected - the data was doubled and has since been amended

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296380658139443201?s=20

Also interesting, 50 contacts

https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1296387813005496320?s=20

According to the HSE dashboard the average positivity rate hasn’t risen above 1.3%

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:11AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

As suspected - the data was doubled and has since been amended

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296380658139443201?s=20

Also interesting, 50 contacts

https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1296387813005496320?s=20

Is that 50 in 2 weeks? Guess if they're out working and socialising it might not be that mad

hotmail.com · 20-08-2020 11:11AM

Stephen Donnelly needs to be stood down (sacked).

20-08-2020 11:11AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

As suspected - the data was doubled and has since been amended

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296380658139443201?s=20

Also interesting, 50 contacts

https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1296387813005496320?s=20

More muddled messaging - Paul Reid stating 2%positive in the last week. THe actual data says 1.3%
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 11:12AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

According to the HSE dashboard the average positivity rate hasn’t risen above 1.3%

Yeah I thought the same, I'm not listening to the conference itself so not sure if it's a misquote or bending of results (2% in Kildare? 2% in LOK?).

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 11:13AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Yeah I thought the same, I'm not listening to the conference itself so not sure if it's a misquote or bending of results (2% in Kildare? 2% in LOK?).

The positivity rate the day before yesterday was less than 1% and just above 1% yesterday, possible true RE LOK because of the amount of cases

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 11:15AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly needs to be stood down (sacked).

Was never gonna be an easy role, I do not envy anyone doing it, but Harris was a far better communicator. As much as action is needed as well as solid communication, communication is the one to get the public on board.

Paddygreen · 20-08-2020 11:18AM

I meant Stephen Guys, we should do what Stephen says. Like Simon before him he is at the business end of the proverbial bat phone. He is receiving the latest expert advice in these times of crisis at least twice a day. Sometimes he stays late to clean the office, very tidy guy according to dail insiders on my grapevine.

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 11:18AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly needs to be stood down (sacked).

Who do you replace him with? I agree with you, he hasn't got anywhere near the skillset required for the job but front line politics in Ireland is dominated by supine, uninspiring, career politicians.

For every Stephen Donnelly theres a Jack Chambers nipping at his heels.

plodder · 20-08-2020 11:19AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Is that 50 in 2 weeks? Guess if they're out working and socialising it might not be that mad

The only scenario I could imagine would be the meat factories with workers living cheek by jowl, not speaking English (well) etc.

They should say what the scenario is regardless.

hotmail.com · 20-08-2020 11:19AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Was never gonna be an easy role, I do not envy anyone doing it, but Harris was a far better communicator. As much as action is needed as well as solid communication, communication is the one to get the public on board.

He is out of his depth.

The interview with the trampolines doesn't exactly smack of competency. He's an idiot.

Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 11:19AM

I hear the minister for health is saying parents should not attend underage matches. Is that feasible? How would that work?

caveat emptor · 20-08-2020 11:20AM

Drumpot wrote: »

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I’m nearly more concerned with how the schools reopening are being handled. I haven’t been informed of exactly what to expect, with less then 2 weeks to go it doesn’t inspire confidence. It really does look like the government and dept of education has put all focus on opening schools with zero contingency plans. As somebody said , it’s like putting your foot on the accelerator when there is a red light and hoping that the light will be green by the time you get to the lights. Regardless of How it plays out, its wreckless and awful planning. A phased reopening at least might of been a reasonable compromise.

Looks like we are going to have to take the hit. It's like the videos of wildebeest crossing the river in Africa. Most will be ok but some won't. Planning is shocking.

Paddygreen · 20-08-2020 11:20AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I hear the minister for health is saying parents should not attend underage matches. Is that feasible? How would that work?

The parish priest could supervise.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:21AM

plodder wrote: »

The only scenario I could imagine would be the meat factories with workers living cheek by jowl, not speaking English (well) etc.

They should say what the scenario is regardless.

If its 14 a day between family members, work colleagues and friends its average of less than 4 a day so wouldn't think its huge. I don't know whether they ask for contacts for 14 days though

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 11:21AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

He is out of his depth.

The interview with the trampolines doesn't exactly smack of competency. He's an idiot.

I think its also very likely that he doesn't agree with the position he's trying to sell to the public which is why he has a hard time trying to communicate it.

He clearly has no principles as he's demonstrated in the past and he's just toeing the line. Very badly.

fits · 20-08-2020 11:22AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I hear the minister for health is saying parents should not attend underage matches. Is that feasible? How would that work?

Matches aren’t really necessary right now. School is.

Newbienoob · 20-08-2020 11:22AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Comparable to what? I said most kids are playing away. Don't argue points I didn't make. Thanks.

My point was; not comparable to school as children certainly not playing in large groups inside for extended periods. That was the conversation that was going on in the thread.
Imo "most kids" aren't "playing away" like before..it's a very different world.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:23AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly needs to be stood down (sacked).

If I was him I'd be looking for a refund from Harvard for his masters. If they can't teach effective communication there something is wrong!

Gerry Hatrick · 20-08-2020 11:24AM

I get the feeling this could get away from us now and the timing could not be worse with the schools returning.

I think the government is in a bad spot and I don't necessarily put the blame all on them but they've made an absolute balls of this in terms of communication.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 11:24AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I hear the minister for health is saying parents should not attend underage matches. Is that feasible? How would that work?

Nobody will stop a parent going to a kids match. That’s criminal.

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