Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

robbiezero wrote: »

Why not recommend that spectators wear masks when travelling to/from games and at the games with the warning that the next step was restrictions on attendance (Still nonsense IMO, but at least it would have given some advance warning and a chance to work on it).

You're all over the place. We can all imagine the whinging, from you included, if this was recommend instead. Hilarious suggestion.

Hurrache wrote: »

You're all over the place. We can all imagine the whinging, from you included, if this was recommend instead. Hilarious suggestion.

And what they came up with has been a roaring success has it?
Absolute disaster for the Government.

Deleted User wrote: »

Things will change.
The will of the people is fading fast.

They won't. The reality is that people give or take the measures since the outbreak, the last couple of weeks it's basically like it has gone away for many people.

But the state won't just say feic it, away you go folks, and back down on the basic principals of pandemic management because Joe wants to watch his kids U9 match several towns over the weekend.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

"STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report."

How many people per classroom though per sq.m?

seamus wrote: »

It's very easy to spot the people here who don't have kids.

Rightly or wrongly, for the last 4 months every child in the country has been off lockdown. Mixing in local groups, playing outside and inside for 8 hours a day. Going to playdates & sleepovers. No social distancing, no masks, climbing all over eachother. This is as true for 16 year olds as it is for 6 year olds. I've seen them hanging around the shopping centres in large groups.

Anyone who thinks that putting them into school is akin to unlocking the gates and unleashing a whole new vector, clearly has no idea.

If children mixing was a huge problem, we'd have seen it kick in months ago.

Yeah but they weren't all crammed into a room with 29 other kids were they?

It might suit politicians to let the CMO take the heat, but it's naive of the likes of the GAA to let politicians off the hook like that. The decisions are made by the government. And I've said it before, they shouldn't just be rubber stamping what NPHET recommends.

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure point of leaks like this to the media. https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1296360220382367750?s=19

It's not really "leaks".

"Public health experts" can mean members of NPHET, or a professor of immunology in Limerick who's been asked for a comment by a reporter, but has no input into public policy.

Academics are very much all about "lock everything down until its gone", and keep pushing this line. Because they are disconnected from the more complex wider world. Professors in universities get paid regardless of what's happening.

Prof. Tomás Ryan has been banging on about zero Covid and an all-island approach for months now. He's academically right; it's the logical approach.

But his insistence on talking about it demonstrates how separated he is from the economic and political reality. What should be done and what can be done are two very different things and continually banging on about what should be done, doesn't make it more likely.

This is what's going on when the media talk about "second lockdown". If cases continue to rise, it's what should be done. It's what the academics say will help. But it won't be done. Because it's can't be. A second lockdown would be economic collapse. All of those businesses that are still now struggling to reopen, would have to call it a day permanently. Everyone who went onto PUP and back off it again, would be back. Permanently.

Inside a week we'd have a million people on the actual dole and no jobs to return them to after lockdown.

Any lockdown measures we return to, will end up being purely social in nature and little else. Maybe a "stay in your county" rule, but with an exception for going to hotels or B&Bs.

What we need are long-term rules for reducing mixing, and Garda powers to enforce them, such as the power to disperse house parties and large groups outdoors.

Drumpot wrote: »

But 30 children in a class/indoors for hours is not the same as one or two or three children playing together. It’s not even the same as a sleepover (although we don’t do them). It’s a completely different level of factors. I know one of my Children’s friends is going home to wales for a week or two, I’m not so sure they will be isolating when they get back and I will be interested to see if they inform the school they were away.. I’d imagine there will be children in all My kids classes whose parents are not as compliant or educated on being responsible as others.

I’m nearly more concerned with how the schools reopening are being handled. I haven’t been informed of exactly what to expect, with less then 2 weeks to go it doesn’t inspire confidence. It really does look like the government and dept of education has put all focus on opening schools with zero contingency plans. As somebody said , it’s like putting your foot on the accelerator when there is a red light and hoping that the light will be green by the time you get to the lights. Regardless of How it plays out, its wreckless and awful planning. A phased reopening at least might of been a reasonable compromise.

Agree completely with this.

Drumpot wrote: »

But 30 children in a class/indoors for hours is not the same as one or two or three children playing together. It’s not even the same as a sleepover (although we don’t do them). It’s a completely different level of factors. I know one of my Children’s friends is going home to wales for a week or two, I’m not so sure they will be isolating when they get back and I will be interested to see if they inform the school they were away.

I'm genuinely less concerned about the classroom. At least in there is a relatively controlled environment with a fixed number of kids, and a cursory attempt at distancing.

And there are protocols in place; a kid pops up with a runny nose and the school will isolate them even if the parents don't care.

Outside, there are kids popping up anywhere and everywhere. A different combination of local kids every day. No idea where they've been or who they've been in contact with. If one of them is let out with a bit of a cough, they'll be coughing all over the other kids unchecked.

I do get the "30 kids in a room" argument, but I do, hand-on-heart, feel like it's better - or at least no worse - than what the vast, vast majority of kids have been doing for the last 4 months anyway.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Why was Stephen Donnelly going on about trampolines last night? He's about as useful as a broken one.

It was a mad interview

https://twitter.com/EoinSheahan/status/1296207854211338241