Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 09:19AM

s1ippy wrote: »

have children they're tired of and want to get rid of or are an actual murderer and want a lot of people to die.

Get a grip.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:22AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Balderdash.
He has every right to refuse to meet with them, but anyone that wants can ASK him for a meeting or what sort of a state do we live in?
They have rightly shown up the Government and NPHET for the absolute cluster-**** of nonsense these latest restrictions have been. Well done to them.

We live in a state in which we have long established procedures, of which the GAA are fully aware of.

You're basically saying you can demand to meet the person in the Dept of Transport who may have took a day off which resulted in your motor tax cert being delayed in the post, balls to getting in touch through the regular route.

The GAA were dicks. They acted akin to "don't you know who we are?".

robbiezero wrote: »

Well done to them.

You might want to take a look at the video he released explaining the reasoning, leaving egg on the GAAs face, as he simplified it enough for even them to understand.

ShyMets · 20-08-2020 09:24AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah clearly not intended as hyperbole, great reading of it. Any other part you want to respond to or is the rest of it canon? Thanks

Just this. I have two kids. One of which is of school going age and will be returning school. We've discussed this with both Grandparants and they are comfortable with our decision. They will continue to see they're grandparants, but with greater social distance.

We've want out child back in a school environment. Making that choice doesn't make us murders.

plodder · 20-08-2020 09:24AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Once we open the school that's the big red button that says do not touch. It's going to be like wildfire.

Children may carry more Covid-19 in systems than previously thought – study

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/children-may-carry-more-covid-19-in-systems-than-previously-thought-study-39464491.html

There will be an increase more than likely, but it's not like kids have been isolated from each other for the last few months entirely, and the mitigation measures might compensate to some extent for the increased mixing at second level.

Hurrache wrote:

The GAA were dicks.

Was surprised by naming him as well. Made it look very personal. The statement had a real look like it was rushed out in frustration without being thought through.

iamwhoiam · 20-08-2020 09:25AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah because as we all know Scandanavian class sizes are comparable to Irish ones. Oh and they didn't cut them in half again, making our classrooms have on average four times more children in contact with each other. Anyone still plugging the argument that "other countries have schools open and it's fine" either haven't read or thought anything at all about our plan, have children they're tired of and want to get rid of or are an actual murderer and want a lot of people to die.

I will bite . Parents are also very concerned about their childrens education and life skills and social interaction . Anyone who knows anything about young children knows how vital this is .
The absolute scandal is that the Department of Education left it far too late to organise the return to school .On March 28th there should have been a task force in place who had plans for every scenario and a plan for a good scenario and a bad scenario .But they didnt do what they are paid to do and now parents are left in this Limbo of a shambolic return .Schools are scrambling to get things in order while Ms Foley has disappeared off the face of the earth while Principles and teachers are doing their best with very little support

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:26AM

plodder wrote: »

Was surprised by naming him as well. Made it look very personal. The statement had a real look like it was rushed out in frustration without being thought through.

'Anything Ryanair can do, we can do better.'.

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:27AM

Hurrache wrote: »

We live in a state in which we have long established procedures, of which the GAA are fully aware of.

You're basically saying you can demand to meet the person in the Dept of Transport who may have took a day off which resulted in your motor tax cert being delayed in the post, balls to getting in touch through the regular route.

The GAA were dicks. They acted akin to "don't you know who we are?".

Yes. Of course I can. Why couldn't I? I more than likely won't get it, but I have every right to demand one.

The GAA don't expect to get an answer because they know there isn't one. They have ensured that this nonsense goes away on Sept 13 and wont be coming back. Job well done.

Martina1991 · 20-08-2020 09:27AM

Eod100 wrote:

Silly question, are there private labs in Ireland? Or do private hospitals outsource testing to public system?

Know places are doing antibody testing but doubt there's private places you can pay to get a test if not a close contact or asymptomatic?

There are private labs. They are labs that provide laboratory testing for companies or referral testing for hospitals.

Some private hospitals also provide testing in their laboratories, but would only have a small test capacity.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:29AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Yes. Of course I can. Why couldn't I? I more than likely won't get it, but I have every right to demand one.

The GAA don't expect to get an answer because they know there isn't one. They have ensured that this nonsense goes away on Sept 13 and wont be coming back. Job well done.

Seriously, get real and stop digging. You have absolutely no right to demand a meeting with such an employee.

And like I said which you somehow missed, they did get a public answer.

s1ippy · 20-08-2020 09:31AM

Jesus it's like Ryanair flight school in here with the amount of people with sh!t going over their heads.

Dm I'm personally not going for the herd immunity strategy, with good reason. Sweden, who popularised this approach (I would say made it infamous), have had the worst death rate since their last famine in the first half of this year. If Irish government makes that decision for people, scientists are coming out and highlighting the ethical and economic ramifications, including Tedros yesterday, so I'm not sure they'll be able to stand over it. Stumbling from lockdown to lockdown will ruin the country and its population. Our health service will be overwhelmed, we'll have no chance but to spend a long winter indoors, needless deaths and poor health will follow and our economy will get f'd regardless.

I was just thinking yesterday, I actually left my teaching job so as not to be part of that strategy. I feel incredibly bad for my former colleagues and I'm doing everything I can from my new job to try and highlight the dangers. I asked my friend (secondary teacher) how he was feeling yesterday and he said he'll just have to get on with it, they're front line workers now. Knowing that 1/3 of them got the virus and at least eight died in spite of adequate PPE, social distancing, sanitation, ventilation and heating, I didn't know what to say.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I will bite . Parents are also very concerned about their childrens education and life skills and social interaction . Anyone who knows anything about young children knows how vital this is .
The absolute scandal is that the Department of Education left it far too late to organise the return to school .On March 28th there should have been a task force in place who had plans for every scenario and a plan for a good scenario and a bad scenario .But they didnt do what they are paid to do and now parents are left in this Limbo of a shambolic return .Schools are scrambling to get things in order while Ms Foley has disappeared off the face of the earth while Principles and teachers are doing their best with very little support

I agree 100%.

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:33AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Seriously, get real and stop digging. You have absolutely no right to demand a meeting with such an employee.

And like I said which you somehow missed, they did get a public answer.

I have the right to demand anything I want to demand.

Link to where they got a public answer?

Martina1991 · 20-08-2020 09:35AM

Goldengirl wrote:

I think Martina 1991 would have something to say about that . The system is underfunded and they dismantled the spare capacity when things went a bit quiet ...all the while we have been warned that a 2 nd wave would hit sometime in August if it was going to happen Ã°Å¸ËœÂ²

I think the current issues are to do with administration, communication of results and contact tracing. Lab capacity that took months to build up is still in place. That hasn't been dismantled. Staff are running on fumes though.

In the beginning, contact tracers were healthcare workers whose work was impacted by the crisis so were trained and redeployed as tracers.

Now that hospitals are back to normal, those HCW are gone back to their day jobs, so who's contact tracing now.
Maybe there weren't enough contact tracers trained up when our numbers fell, before these huge cluster outbreaks.

Annual leave also wasn't permitted for months. Now HSE can take leave, and have to use it up by April as you cant carry it over. So all depts are down staff as well, taking much needed time off.
This is just my opinion.

20-08-2020 09:39AM

The GAA took the correct approach IMO. Everybody is complaining to TD's and it isn't achieving enough. Going public really adds the pressure.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:40AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Link to where they got a public answer?

Gylnn's video was posted a couple of pages back.

Deleted User wrote: »

The GAA took the correct approach IMO. Everybody is complaining to TD's and it isn't achieving enough. Going public really adds the pressure.

It didn't work, they got no meeting, and nothing was changed, and made them look like fools.

FFS, a sporting organisation demanding a meeting with the person responsible for dealing with the worse pandemic in over a century. What a ****ing neck.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1295981838033461248

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:41AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Gylnn's video was posted a couple of pages back.

Not a screed of empirical evidence of transmission of cases from outdoor sports as the GAA knew there wouldn't be.

seamus · 20-08-2020 09:42AM

plodder wrote: »

There will be an increase more than likely, but it's not like kids have been isolated from each other for the last few months entirely, and the mitigation measures might compensate to some extent for the increased mixing at second level.

It's very easy to spot the people here who don't have kids.

Rightly or wrongly, for the last 4 months every child in the country has been off lockdown. Mixing in local groups, playing outside and inside for 8 hours a day. Going to playdates & sleepovers. No social distancing, no masks, climbing all over eachother. This is as true for 16 year olds as it is for 6 year olds. I've seen them hanging around the shopping centres in large groups.

Anyone who thinks that putting them into school is akin to unlocking the gates and unleashing a whole new vector, clearly has no idea.

If children mixing was a huge problem, we'd have seen it kick in months ago.

timsey tiger · 20-08-2020 09:44AM

seamus wrote: »

It's very easy to spot the people here who don't have kids.

Rightly or wrongly, for the last 4 months every child in the country has been off lockdown. Mixing in local groups, playing outside and inside for 8 hours a day. Going to playdates & sleepovers. No social distancing, no masks, climbing all over eachother.

Anyone who thinks that putting them into school is akin to unlocking the gates and unleashing a whole new vector, clearly has no idea.

If children mixing was a huge problem, we'd have seen it kick in months ago.

This might reflect your kids experience, don't assume that others are a feckless with theirs.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:45AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Not a screed of empirical evidence of transmission of cases from outdoor sports as the GAA knew there wouldn't be.

Well now I'm not at all surprised that you completely fail to understand what the issue is, it's right there in your post.

You obviously just don't get it, nor have you watched Glynn's simple explainer.

20-08-2020 09:47AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Gylnn's video was posted a couple of pages back.

It didn't work, they got no meeting, and nothing was changed, and made them look like fools.

FFS, a sporting organisation demanding a meeting with the person responsible for dealing with the worse pandemic in over a century. What a ****ing neck.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1295981838033461248

They'll all be onto their TD's as well.
It all adds pressure.

As more and more people start doing it, eventually something has to give.

Public opinion is changing. So it is working

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The GAA took the correct approach IMO. Everybody is complaining to TD's and it isn't achieving enough. Going public really adds the pressure.

Deffo. If any more of this nonsense arrives at the next cabinet meeting, it wont see the light of day.
Good days work from the GAA as always.

Given how closely they had worked with the health officials to provide a safe and badly needed environment for sport, they were entitled to feel aggrieved at restrictions that came out of nowhere.
Why not recommend that spectators wear masks when travelling to/from games and at the games with the warning that the next step was restrictions on attendance (Still nonsense IMO, but at least it would have given some advance warning and a chance to work on it).

stephenjmcd · 20-08-2020 09:47AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The GAA took the correct approach IMO. Everybody is complaining to TD's and it isn't achieving enough. Going public really adds the pressure.

Seems as if the complaining to TDs might be getting somewhere. Few of them in the papers saying their phones are hopping and their inboxes are flooded

Blondini · 20-08-2020 09:48AM

seamus wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly, for the last 4 months every child in the country has been off lockdown. Mixing in local groups, playing outside and inside for 8 hours a day. Going to playdates & sleepovers. No social distancing, no masks, climbing all over eachother.

Wow, that's news to me. Someone must be taking my children while I'm not looking.

This is the fcucking level of stupidity you're dealing with here folks.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:48AM

seamus wrote: »

It's very easy to spot the people here who don't have kids.

Rightly or wrongly, for the last 4 months every child in the country has been off lockdown. Mixing in local groups, playing outside and inside for 8 hours a day. Going to playdates & sleepovers. No social distancing, no masks, climbing all over eachother. This is as true for 16 year olds as it is for 6 year olds. I've seen them hanging around the shopping centres in large groups.

Anyone who thinks that putting them into school is akin to unlocking the gates and unleashing a whole new vector, clearly has no idea.

If children mixing was a huge problem, we'd have seen it kick in months ago.

I've posted more or less this in the GAA thread yesterday. Kids are mixing on their streets, mixing in their summer camps, and mix when sports training returned.

They're basically in a very big bubble, which, for the most part, will be reflected in school as they tend to (at primary level anyway) stick within the same groups inside and out of it.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 09:49AM

Not sure point of leaks like this to the media. https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1296360220382367750?s=19

khalessi · 20-08-2020 09:49AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I will bite . Parents are also very concerned about their childrens education and life skills and social interaction . Anyone who knows anything about young children knows how vital this is .
The absolute scandal is that the Department of Education left it far too late to organise the return to school .On March 28th there should have been a task force in place who had plans for every scenario and a plan for a good scenario and a bad scenario .But they didnt do what they are paid to do and now parents are left in this Limbo of a shambolic return .Schools are scrambling to get things in order while Ms Foley has disappeared off the face of the earth while Principles and teachers are doing their best with very little support

Agreed. As a teacher and a parent I feel let down. I was asked to work online from March and did so giving 110%. I know not every teacher gave 110% but I along with my colleagues were lead to believe that the Dept were working on a plan, the NCCA working on the curriculum and a plan would be issued in June. As I said elsewhere we were given "bespoke solutions", a letdown for teachers. The HSE then issued a document, and feeling overshadowed the Dept released an interim document before releasing the July guidelines we are working with now.

I read the guidelines and feel let down, we keep being told we are in the midst of a pandemic and there are changes everywhere in our society except schools, where there has been no real change from March. We talk of bubbles and pods but we know its political speech for classes and groups, same as we have used for years and other coronaviruses such as colds and flu fly through them.

The government even went against their own roadmap to reopening the country of a phased reopening of schools. They issue directions and dont even seem to understand them themselves.

Leo says there will be clusters in schools, and casually shifts the blame to schools by saying, will it be the fault of the schools, probably not.
Eammon Ryan admits that there are contradictions in the safety advice but schools are essential so be it.

Stephen Donnelly tells us that schools are controlled environments and homes are not. Also that he is worried for his own 3 children returning to primary school.

Norma is not available for questions

They have let down the children and their families and me. I did as I was asked and will be back next week welcoming children. My children will be going back to their primary schools with masks and see their friends which is good. But they have fuked up and have lost me along with many others. I have no faith in them and will do all I can to keep children in my care safe and happy but honestly think the government is a clusterfuk.

beggars_bush · 20-08-2020 09:49AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Gylnn's video was posted a couple of pages back.

It didn't work, they got no meeting, and nothing was changed, and made them look like fools.

FFS, a sporting organisation demanding a meeting with the person responsible for dealing with the worse pandemic in over a century. What a ****ing neck.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1295981838033461248

Where's the evidence that sports games and training are spreaders of covid?

20-08-2020 09:50AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Gylnn's video was posted a couple of pages back.

It didn't work, they got no meeting, and nothing was changed, and made them look like fools.

FFS, a sporting organisation demanding a meeting with the person responsible for dealing with the worse pandemic in over a century. What a ****ing neck.

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Its funny, its seems half of people absolutely agree with the GAA and the other half are appalled. Personally I think they did nothing wrong, the government are making massive decisions that affect people's lives, asking for the evidence behind them isn't outrageous. Its precisely how democracy is supposed to work.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They'll all be onto their TD's as well.
It all adds pressure.

As more and more people start doing it, eventually something has to give.

Public opinion is changing. So it is working

If anything changes as a result of cry babies whinging to their TDs over a basic principal of managing a pandemic, then things are not working, not working at all.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:52AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where's the evidence that sports games and training are spreaders of covid?

I didn't say they were, did I?

How can you be still a stranger to the potential of community transmission 6 months into the pandemic in Ireland?

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:52AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Well now I'm not at all surprised that you completely fail to understand what the issue is, it's right there in your post.

You obviously just don't get it, nor have you watched Glynn's simple explainer.

Go ahead then. If its that simple explain it to me?

And also answer how 50 people indoors in a cinema is deemed safer than 50 people outdoors at a match with 19 times less chance of transmission?
Same for pubs and restaurants etc.
If carpooling is an issue, do they think when groups meet in a pub or restaurant that they are all taking their own car. At least I hope not.

Off you go then. I'm all ears.

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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