Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

20-08-2020 08:01AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Yeah, that’s not how dealing with pandemics works. Unfortunately I feel this attitude is starting to prevail, which will really see us in the shît this winter.

How does dealing with pandemics work? We have no established method of dealing with pandemic, and most pandemics throughout history have been dealt with by everyone susceptible getting it and everyone vulnerable dying.

We are dealing with this one differently however thankfully, but that involves a nuanced assessment of the risks of the disease versus the risk to society of the measures to dealing with the disease. Some people feel the balance has been skewed towards overestimating the disease risk, other fell it has been skewed to underestimating. In general I feel we got the balance about right, apart from dealing with care homes in the very early stages. However in the past few weeks, it has become a more scater gun approach, with reactionary measures and delays taking place that don't seem to bear any relationship to the risks. How allowing 50 people to attend an outdoor event in a large area can be considered riskier than allowing 50 people to attend an indoor wedding is the most ludicrous example of this, and this is where the danger of losing people comes in

NeonCookies · 20-08-2020 08:12AM

Just on this tested if within 14 day period thing. That's what I thought too and I had been keeping my contacts low over a 14 day rolling period to account for this.

Found out my friend tested positive and I had seen her 12 days previously (8 days before her symptoms started) so obviously panicked about it and expected to need a test. The contact tracer told my friend that only people she was in contact with during the 3 days before her symptoms started needed to be tested as this is when she would have been contagious. I was outside that window so the contact tracer didn't even want my details. It's over 3 weeks since I saw her now and thankfully I'm all good but it surprised me!

Living Off The Splash · 20-08-2020 08:13AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Now we'll see what they can do to fix the situation. Seems like testing is working fairly okay, but getting results is too slow - and the same with contact tracing that seems to be overwhelmed. The contact tracing issue isn't surprising with all the large clusters happening in a short period of time.

A few months back we were shown lots of pictures of rooms full of army personnel involved in contract tracing. Boats, football stadiums, drive through testing etc. 10,000 per week.....24 hour turn around...….laboratories popping up all over the place to do the analysis...

We were told to be careful....that it hadn't gone away...….it seems the powers that be thought it had.

pc7 · 20-08-2020 08:19AM

As if the presser the other evening wasn’t bad enough, it’s actually a freaking nightmare reading the last few pages regarding the lack of Track & Test, it is soul destroying. If they can’t get a handle on these latest outbreaks how the hell will we manage through winter.

ETA Kaylami hope you feel better soon, very hard be sick with kids

MickeyLeari · 20-08-2020 08:26AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Agree but surely a better channel than Twitter to raise it. Guess if she keeps details vague hopefully nobody would be able to identity patients.

She should be struck off if she is revealing details of her patients even if there is an outside chance that an individual may be identified.

almostover · 20-08-2020 08:26AM

Gael23 wrote: »

People are fed up now and just want to get in with their lives. We were fed a line in March/April thst if we stuck with the rules we would flatten the curve and now here we are.
Demonising young people doesn’t help either

I dont think you get it. The lockdown wasn't an attempt to appease the government. Regardless of what we were told, absolutely nothing has changed since March. COVID is still here and to prevent the health system being overwhelmed we must restrict our social interactions to prevent the spread of the virus. It doesn't matter what happened with the last few months the future challenge remains unchanged.

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:37AM

almostover wrote: »

I dont think you get it. The lockdown wasn't an attempt to appease the government. Regardless of what we were told, absolutely nothing has changed since March. COVID is still here and to prevent the health system being overwhelmed we must restrict our social interactions to prevent the spread of the virus. It doesn't matter what happened with the last few months the future challenge remains unchanged.

Can you explain schools going back if that's really the case, it's not like they don't have parents to pass it on to.
The Government kicked everyone out of hospitals with Covid into the nursing homes which caused a huge spike in our death rate. If they hadn't of done that we wouldn't have had such a crazy lockdown that seem to have been for nothing now. There will be an inquiry into who made such a crazy decision yet.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 08:44AM

Wonder will power cuts result in delays with peolle being able to get on to GPs to be referred for testing and delays in contact tracing? In fairness ESB are doing trojan work so will try to restore power asap. Just bad time to be getting a fecking storm like that! This year eh?!

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:44AM

Some good news....makes you wonder should we just let it fly the sooner everyone gets a tiny dose the better...

The Irish Times: Studies show positive signs of strong, lasting Covid-19 immunity.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/studies-show-positive-signs-of-strong-lasting-covid-19-immunity-1.4332233?localLinksEnabled=false

Gael23 · 20-08-2020 08:45AM

almostover wrote: »

I dont think you get it. The lockdown wasn't an attempt to appease the government. Regardless of what we were told, absolutely nothing has changed since March. COVID is still here and to prevent the health system being overwhelmed we must restrict our social interactions to prevent the spread of the virus. It doesn't matter what happened with the last few months the future challenge remains unchanged.

People must also live their lives. Time doesn’t stand still

Im not suggesting it was an attempt to appease the government in April but people were led to believe that by making huge sacrifices then it would lead to better days ahead and look where that has led us

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:46AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Wonder will power cuts result in delays with peolle being able to get on to GPs to be referred for testing and delays in contact tracing? In fairness ESB are doing trojan work so will try to restore power asap. Just bad time to be getting a fecking storm like that! This year eh?!

A lot of their phone lines even electricity won't be working this morning so it has to. It's done a lot of damage to communication across the country, Cork, Galway etc

plodder · 20-08-2020 08:48AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Some good news....makes you wonder should we just let it fly the sooner everyone gets a tiny dose the better...

The Irish Times: Studies show positive signs of strong, lasting Covid-19 immunity.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/studies-show-positive-signs-of-strong-lasting-covid-19-immunity-1.4332233?localLinksEnabled=false

That is good news. I wouldn't say "let it fly", but talk of new total lockdowns seems to going in the wrong direction imo.

Luke O'Neill said something about a new drug that might be used in nursing homes to protect the elderly. I couldn't find the podcast, so maybe he is going to be talking about it today on Pat Kenny's program.

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:52AM

plodder wrote: »

That is good news. I wouldn't say "let it fly", but talk of new total lockdowns seems to going in the wrong direction imo.

Once we open the school that's the big red button that says do not touch. It's going to be like wildfire.

Children may carry more Covid-19 in systems than previously thought – study

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/children-may-carry-more-covid-19-in-systems-than-previously-thought-study-39464491.html

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 08:54AM

Lundstram wrote: »

You didn't seem to have a problem with the Vitners Association publicly condeming NPHET so why should the GAA be any different?

The GAA have handed over stadiums for testing and do everything by the letter of the law regarding Covid19. As a player myself I know this for a fact. Very thorough throughout all this.

They're well within their rights to question Glynn and get answers that its 300,000 members want.

They simply aren't.

Ficheall · 20-08-2020 08:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

GP in Monaghan.

Case in point re: delays in testing.

This gp got covid also.

It seems every positive case she gets she tells the media all the details.

Think she is trying to carve out media career for herself.

Wouldn't want to be her patients.

Confidentiality is low in her priorities.

Sounds like she's airing legitimate concerns. Tbph, I don't really agree with all this "confidentiality" stuff surrounding covid. It's not like you have to do anything embarrassing or illegal to catch it. I'd like to know if one of my neighbours had it, or if the village I was planning to arrange a big houseparty in had cases. People might be more cautious in their local Aldi if they knew someone in the area had caught it.

Would anyone here* care if other people knew they had it?

*Exceptions for those people dismissing it who end up floored by it, or the alleged "doom-mongers" who just get sniffles.

domrush · 20-08-2020 08:58AM

Hurrache wrote: »

They simply aren't.

Of course they are. Not sure why the HSE are suddenly being treated as omniscient just because there is a pandemic on.

mean gene · 20-08-2020 08:59AM

if a person is asymptomatic is it 14 days you carry the virus

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 08:59AM

Hurrache wrote: »

They simply aren't.

Explain how they aren't?

copeyhagen · 20-08-2020 09:03AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Explain how they aren't?

nobody can question, now fall in line.

Drumpot · 20-08-2020 09:04AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUPYyiGu-E

High Humidity reduces spread of virus especially when added to poor ventilation (schools/offices/homes etc in winter ?

). Temperature not necessarily a factor.

Issue appears to be:

- indoors when cold and turn on heating
- indoors when warm and turn on air conditioning

Indoor heating ( and air conditioning) dries out air. This is why winter might be an issue for spread in indoor settings.

Why? Possibly because in higher humidity more water/moisture attaches to virus and basically it drags it down (virus doesn’t suspend in air as long). That’s my layman explanation as I understand it.

I wonder does some of this explain Scandinavian numbers. Would they be more used to the cold and as such maybe they don’t need (cool) air conditioning since March (when outbreak started). But maybe in winter if they like to heat up their houses they may see a bit of a spike.

Hurrache · 20-08-2020 09:04AM

domrush wrote: »

Of course they are. Not sure why the HSE are suddenly being treated as omniscient just because there is a pandemic on.

No, they aren't. Nobody is entitled to question him bar his employers. There's proper, well known, methods to raise questions with the government, you don't circumvent them and go straight to a public servant.

The GAA were petulant dicks naming him in a public statement and demanding he meets them.

Someone else had compared them to the FAI, the FAI in this are a model of professionalism with how they've been working with the state, as opposed to stamping their feet and demanding meetings with named individuals.

robbiezero wrote: »

Explain how they aren't?

copeyhagen wrote: »

nobody can question, now fall in line.

You guys are pretty naïve as to how things work.

timmy_mallet · 20-08-2020 09:05AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Once we open the school that's the big red button that says do not touch. It's going to be like wildfire.

Children may carry more Covid-19 in systems than previously thought – study

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/children-may-carry-more-covid-19-in-systems-than-previously-thought-study-39464491.html

"STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report."

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 09:06AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

"STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report."

Sadly most people are reluctant to look at real world evidence and prefer to believe the worst case theoretical scenario.

lee_baby_simms · 20-08-2020 09:09AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Once we open the school that's the big red button that says do not touch. It's going to be like wildfire.

Children may carry more Covid-19 in systems than previously thought – study

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/children-may-carry-more-covid-19-in-systems-than-previously-thought-study-39464491.html

"In a study of 192 children aged 0-22"

hmmmm

s1ippy · 20-08-2020 09:13AM

Yeah because as we all know Scandanavian class sizes are comparable to Irish ones. Oh and they didn't cut them in half again, making our classrooms have on average four times more children in contact with each other. Anyone still plugging the argument that "other countries have schools open and it's fine" either haven't read or thought anything at all about our plan, have children they're tired of and want to get rid of or are an actual murderer and want a lot of people to die.

Ficheall · 20-08-2020 09:16AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

"In a study of 192 children aged 0-22"

hmmmm

Tbf, "children" is an apt description for people of many ages..

ShyMets · 20-08-2020 09:16AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah because as we all know Scandanavian class sizes are comparable to Irish ones. Oh and they didn't cut them in half again, making our classrooms have on average four times more children in contact with each other. Anyone still plugging the argument that "other countries have schools open and it's fine" either haven't read or thought anything at all about our plan, have children they're tired of and want to get rid of or are an actual murderer and want a lot of people to die.

Just a shade hysterical, perhaps.

robbiezero · 20-08-2020 09:17AM

Hurrache wrote: »

No, they aren't. Nobody is entitled to question him bar his employers. There's proper, well known, methods to raise questions with the government, you don't circumvent them and go straight to a public servant.

The GAA were petulant dicks naming him in a public statement and demanding he meets them.

Someone else had compared them to the FAI, the FAI in this are a model of professionalism with how they've been working with the state, as opposed to stamping their feet and demanding meetings with named individuals.

You guys are pretty naïve as to who things work.

Balderdash.
He has every right to refuse to meet with them, but anyone that wants can ASK him for a meeting or what sort of a state do we live in?
They have rightly shown up the Government and NPHET for the absolute cluster-**** of nonsense these latest restrictions have been. Well done to them.

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 09:18AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah because as we all know Scandanavian class sizes are comparable to Irish ones. Oh and they didn't cut them in half again, making our classrooms have on average four times more children in contact with each other. Anyone still plugging the argument that "other countries have schools open and it's fine" either haven't read or thought anything at all about our plan, have children they're tired of and want to get rid of or are an actual murderer and want a lot of people to die.

The plan is heard immunity, there's only 2 options and we're not taking the 0 Covid one.
A vaccine may never appear it's not a viable option hanging around for one or locking down waiting for one.

s1ippy · 20-08-2020 09:19AM

ShyMets wrote: »

Just a shade hysterical, perhaps.

Yeah clearly not intended as hyperbole, great reading of it. Any other part you want to respond to or is the rest of it canon? Thanks

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