How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

khalessi · 19-08-2020 10:15PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

So you accept that guidelines were not available but yet you want classrooms set up months ago.

Essentially they were as they will look no different to the children except for the addition of soap.

19-08-2020 10:23PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Im a primary teacher and I feel that school reopening should be delayed 3 weeks to see if we can get cases down.

During that 3 weeks all teachers should be in schools for

1) Getting the buildings/classrooms etc ready for the return of students. Huge work to be done and

2) Clarifying and preparing the remote learning that will be used if/when the school(s) close so that it will be a seamless transition if it comes to pass.

However these ideas probably make sense so they won't be implemented.

I agree cases need to falling or stable to open up something as big as all schools.

BonsaiKitten · 19-08-2020 10:25PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

You know, I actually agree with you. If the guidelines had been issued months ago schools could have put more in place. Certainly in mine we’d have much preferred to have a proper setup done in June and been able to communicate it in plenty of time to parents.

However the ‘they’ who dropped the ball there are the Department. Schools are strategising as best they can but poor leadership from the top is not helping.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 10:26PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

A teacher doesn't have to be in school to set up for year ahead. I've been working on my notes for year ahead from home. No point being in school for that.

The school layout will be done by principal, caretaker, LWR and so on. If I landed out I'd be told to go away

jrosen · 19-08-2020 10:26PM

khalessi wrote: »

So you accept that guidelines were not available but yet you want classrooms set up months ago.

Essentially they were as they will look no different to the children except for the addition of soap.

My sons school looks very different. They have made a huge effort from what I have seen and details that have come from them in the last week.

My point was all this could have been done months ago. From what Im reading schools seem to be doing their own thing anyway, with some even knocking walls..There was never going to be a one size fits all. It was always going to come back to be worked at local level.

smellyoldboot · 19-08-2020 10:27PM

The first 2 weeks of this doomed to failure medical experiment will be what send us over the edge and straight back to lockdown again.

Herd immunity attempt by stupidity not design. It will be every bit as successful as the other attempts at it.

irishproduce · 19-08-2020 10:29PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Im a primary teacher and I feel that school reopening should be delayed 3 weeks to see if we can get cases down.

During that 3 weeks all teachers should be in schools for

1) Getting the buildings/classrooms etc ready for the return of students. Huge work to be done and

2) Clarifying and preparing the remote learning that will be used if/when the school(s) close so that it will be a seamless transition if it comes to pass.

However these ideas probably make sense so they won't be implemented.

Would you not organise between yourselves to get in now and start setting up?

khalessi · 19-08-2020 10:29PM

jrosen wrote: »

My sons school looks very different. They have made a huge effort from what I have seen and details that have come from them in the last week.

My point was all this could have been done months ago. From what Im reading schools seem to be doing their own thing anyway, with some even knocking walls..There was never going to be a one size fits all. It was always going to come back to be worked at local level.

The money for knocking walls was not available months ago as the Dept have to give it. We know it was going to come back to local level but it was handled badly by the Dept not teachers.

Are there many jobs that ignore management and go off and do their own thing?

History Queen · 19-08-2020 10:29PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

A teacher doesn't have to be in school to set up for year ahead. I've been working on my notes for year ahead from home. No point being in school for that.

The school layout will be done by principal, caretaker, LWR and so on. If I landed out I'd be told to go away

All of the teachers (well the ones with classrooms) in my school are going in this week to help sort our classrooms/clear out unnecessary furniture etc. to try maximise space. It's happening in a good few schools around here anyway.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 10:33PM

History Queen wrote: »

All of the teachers (well the ones with classrooms) in my school are going in this week to help sort our classrooms/clear out unnecessary furniture etc. to try maximise space. It's happening in a good few schools around here anyway.

Our room layout is done. Sorted by the aide and caretaker mostly, if too many landed out it wud have been a case of too many cooks. I'd be good friends with caretaker and he doesn't want to see us out there getting in his way.

I've spent time doing up notes, updating online platform etc. This is where my job lies, we all have our roles. My point being, just because i wasn't on site, doesn't mean I want preparing for work ahead

jrosen · 19-08-2020 10:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

The money for knocking walls was not available months ago as the Dept have to give it. We know it was going to come back to local level but it was handled badly by the Dept not teachers.

Are there many jobs that ignore management and go off and do their own thing?

Where did I say ignore?

amacca · 19-08-2020 10:48PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

thats what happens when you have an increasingly bureaucratic centralised system beholden to the latest buzzwords and gurus determined to follow most of the worst examples from education systems around the world while paying lip service to the best.....

schools and teachers could do **** all because they have been increasingly sidelined in the system despite the fact they work in it year after year and they simply didn't have the authority to do so.......for much of this pandemic principals had to find out what they can do and what was happening at the same time the general public did but only after the various journalists who will essentially spout the Govt line do and you want to blame them????....the latest strategy by dept etc seems to be to give them some autonomy (without resources or funding) which is where the each school appearing to call its own shots is coming from ....this by the way is partly so they can deflect and hang them out to dry when it all goes pete tong....

schools will only told they are truly responsible when there is a big blunder or failure....essentially they are useful objects of derision/dislike (whipping boys) as far as I can see...direct your ire at the ones that want to micromanage every aspect of the system and are proving themselves woefully inadequate thus far

the teaching unions havent even intervened to insist on similar protections being in place for their workers as every other (perhaps because they know what a mess this is and will ultimately prove to be)...ffs i heard the bus drivers union rep on the radio today standing up for their members saying kids will be seated right beside the driver and there is very little justification for this given what is happening in other workplaces

have a look at the JCT science guidelines for the type of utter drivel that was being promoted in our schools before the pandemic.....

khalessi · 19-08-2020 10:55PM

jrosen wrote: »

imo all teachers should have been in school setting up months ago. I accept guidelines hadn't been issued. I accept the failure of the dept.

All this wasted time and ultimately each school seems to be calling their own shots. All of which could have been done months ago. Its a **** show tbh so this idea that now at the final hour schools should close for another 3 weeks isn't really acceptable.

jrosen wrote: »

Where did I say ignore?

See the above quote and explain to me how without ignoring the Dept could we have gone ahead, been in school setting up months ago? You may not have used the word ignore but the only way it could be done months ago is to ignore the Dept and NPhet who closed the schools.

jrosen · 19-08-2020 11:17PM

Ive given my opinion on what I think SHOULD have happened.

amacca · 19-08-2020 11:20PM

khalessi wrote: »

See the above quote and explain to me how without ignoring the Dept could we have gone ahead, been in school setting up months ago? You may not have used the word ignore but the only way it could be done months ago is to ignore the Dept and NPhet who closed the schools.

Not to mention that if you were "proactive" and went your own way you could find thst whatever you did might jave to be undone as your changes could be superseded by the next set of guidelines.......its moronic if popular to blame teachers and most principals for this

Rollercoaster · 19-08-2020 11:52PM

Can anyone explain how travelling on a full school bus with children from multiple households and no social distancing could possibly be safe from the virus?

Even if children are not badly affected by the affects of contracting the virus, many live with elderly or immunosuppressant family members and this will straight away put them at risk.

BonsaiKitten · 20-08-2020 12:01AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

I mean where do you even start with this. Comparing the return to schools with trampolines...

Leftwaffe · 20-08-2020 12:19AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

I mean where do you even start with this. Comparing the return to schools with trampolines...

In fairness there's been reports of trampolines flying around there tonight.

Wonder how the data for trampoline deaths weighs up against a killer virus. I'm sure he has it.

the corpo · 20-08-2020 12:21AM

https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1296123370828902403?s=20

from RTE's chief education correspondent

Rollercoaster · 20-08-2020 12:23AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

I mean where do you even start with this. Comparing the return to schools with trampolines...

I just watched this interview and was shocked by what I heard.

Newbienoob · 20-08-2020 12:24AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

I mean where do you even start with this. Comparing the return to schools with trampolines...

This is completely unacceptable and patronising. To disregard the loss of lives and those continuing to suffer longterm effects from this virus is well just completely unacceptable coming from the Minister for Health. He should not be in his position. Period.

During such a sensitive time when the government is imposing further restrictions, here we have our Minister for Health saying the risks of catching it are akin to getting hurt on a Trampoline. IGNORANT. It's clear teacher, SNA and children's lives mean so little to him!!

Donnelly I hereby challenge you to set up office in a local national school and to travel in on the kids bus.

smellyoldboot · 20-08-2020 12:41AM

If Conehead was any use, with his background he'd be near enough the top of a company now instead of farting around selling his soul to FF for a ministerial pension. Someone smelled a rat worth this fella before.

RickDeckard · 20-08-2020 12:52AM

I am just a simple Man. When the schools open, Clusters WILL happen. People WILL get sick and die.

I dont understand this Government, is it arrogance ? willful ignorance or criminal neglect?? They must know what will happen, or is this country being run on wishful thinking?? ****ing Criminal what is about to happen. M.Martian , there will be blood, and the buck stops with you.

I feel for the teachers and kids and parents. Thank **** Im a total failure with no family.

zanador · 20-08-2020 12:58AM

I haven't read the whole thread but saw some people complaining about teachers so just wanted to say as far as I am concerned you are all amazing and have been from the beginning of this. And everyone I know thinks the same. The DES has let you down terribly.

I work in adult ed and won't be going back teaching face to face.

Good luck to you all, and I think anyone who criticises you after what you have done over the last few months should be ashamed of themselves.

alroley · 20-08-2020 12:59AM

I had no idea there were nearly 800,000 trampoline-related deaths so far this year! Thanks Stephen Donnelly for making sure we all knew that trampolines were as dangerous as the virus that caused a global pandemic.
Why are trampolines not being banned from everywhere (other than the magical schoolgrounds of course)?

Icyseanfitz · 20-08-2020 01:36AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1296165049950765061?s=21

I mean where do you even start with this. Comparing the return to schools with trampolines...

Ah for God's sake, this madness has to stop, sure why bother locking down at all if covid is an everyday risk like driving a car, absolutely idiotic

smellyoldboot · 20-08-2020 01:39AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Ah for God's sake, this madness has to stop, sure why bother locking down at all if covid is an everyday risk like driving a car, absolutely idiotic

It's the economy stoopid. Watch this space. We'll be rocking and rolling again in a months time. Back in the pub again and everything. Full lockdown and general election by Halloween.

byhookorbycrook · 20-08-2020 03:49AM

jrosen wrote: »

My point was all this could have been done months ago. From what Im reading schools seem to be doing their own thing anyway, with some even knocking walls..There was never going to be a one size fits all. It was always going to come back to be worked at local level.

Where would the funding have come from?

mcsean2163 · 20-08-2020 08:09AM

alroley wrote: »

I had no idea there were nearly 800,000 trampoline-related deaths so far this year! Thanks Stephen Donnelly for making sure we all knew that trampolines were as dangerous as the virus that caused a global pandemic.
Why are trampolines not being banned from everywhere (other than the magical schoolgrounds of course)?

For under 45s, the risk of death from covid19 is probably lower than driving.

Of 26 March 2020, there have been 47 road deaths in Ireland.

screamer · 20-08-2020 08:19AM

Rollercoaster wrote: »

Can anyone explain how travelling on a full school bus with children from multiple households and no social distancing could possibly be safe from the virus?

Even if children are not badly affected by the affects of contracting the virus, many live with elderly or immunosuppressant family members and this will straight away put them at risk.

Oh it’s a very smart virus
Adults can catch it using public transport, but kids are exempt
You can catch it at an indoor gathering with more than 6 people but schools are magical places where 30 kids in a room will be fine

It’s just absolute rubbish TBH. With households with kids going to crèche primary and even secondary the transmission routes will be exponential and we will see cases everywhere.
It’s absolutely crazy, I can see the teachers out on strike in a few weeks and I won’t blame them. No other workplaces have such lax rules, even frontline wear Ppe as a matter of course. But if I’d to guess I’d say the government is approaching the school reopening with the herd immunity approach for the kids. Awful, I’ve no faith in them whatsoever bunch of idiots.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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