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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6722
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Happy4all wrote: »
    So are the over 70s not allowed to go on staycations? Or to restaurants?

    They can go wherever they want, the advice is to be careful and use their cop on basically.


  • #6723
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Happy4all wrote: »
    So are the over 70s not allowed to go on staycations? Or to restaurants?
    They are. But only during the hours of 11.00 - 11.01 on Tuesday, if the sky is or isn't green.


  • #6724
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The only change yesterday was the numbers attending sport was cut.

    The rest of the changes aren't mandatory as far as I can see.

    And therefore they will be ignored.


  • #6725
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Is Eamon Ryan still in the government?

    Everyone looking smart about to deliver an important announcement and Mr Ryan is up there, no tie, collar open, ramping like a drunk loon.


  • #6726
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They can go wherever they want, the advice is to be careful and use their cop on basically.

    I had this vision of a bouncer on the door, asking them if they have any age ID and then making the walk of shame away, like the young ones trying to get into a pub/night club


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  • #6727
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    What about cattle marts ,poney sales ?Are they affected by the reduced number limit indoors and out?


  • #6728
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Happy4all wrote: »
    I had this vision of a bouncer on the door, asking them if they have any age ID and then making the walk of shame away, like the young ones trying to get into a pub/night club

    Did I read something about designated shopping times for older people?


  • #6729
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    17 in hospital as of 8am, reduction of 3 on last night. Majority of discharges occur on Wednesdays.

    With so many assympthomatic cases this is the number we need to focus on. For weeks now I've been told hospitalisations will increase significantly but it is holding very flat.

    There may be reasons but it shows everyone getting in over the last few weeks is basically immune. Immune means the virus exerts an immune response from your immune system, antibodies are produced and people get better without treatment


  • #6730
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    There may be reasons but it shows everyone getting in over the last few weeks is basically immune. Immune means the virus exerts an immune response from your immune system, antibodies are produced and people get better without treatment
    If you watch the health briefings they've been saying that they are concerned that the cases we are currently seeing (largely younger people) will lead to the disease getting into more vulnerable groups in time. A factory full of 20 to 40 year olds is going to be fine for the most part, but these people all mix in the community, have parents, grandparents, sick relatives, nursing home relatives etc. What's worse is many of them will be asymptomatic, so completely unaware they are spreading it.


  • #6731
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    hmmm wrote: »
    If you watch the health briefings they've been saying that they are concerned that the cases we are currently seeing (largely younger people) will lead to the disease getting into more vulnerable groups in time. A factory full of 20 to 40 year olds is going to be fine for the most part, but these people all mix in the community, have parents, grandparents, sick relatives, nursing home relatives etc. What's worse is many of them will be asymptomatic, so completely unaware they are spreading it.

    Agreed. But there is a narrative out there that we don't have immunity to this virus when 85% of the population(much higher in reality but using confirmed cases numbers) have such strong immunity they don't even require treatment in hospital to get better.


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  • #6732
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Everyone looking smart about to deliver an important announcement and Mr Ryan is up there, no tie, collar open, ramping like a drunk loon.

    Doughal Maguire comes to mind.


  • #6733
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Agreed. But there is a narrative out there that we don't have immunity to this virus when 85% of the population have such strong immunity they don't even require treatment in hospital to get better.


    If it got to a point where even 0.1% of our entire population required hospital treatment for this at the same time our health service would have already collapsed...


  • #6734
    [Deleted User]
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Agreed. But there is a narrative out there that we don't have immunity to this virus when 85% of the population have such strong immunity they don't even require treatment in hospital to get better.

    Its not immunity. It's more likely a level of resistance due to either exposure to a similar coronavirus, or a well functioning immune system.

    Anyone aware of any studies on the level of infection displayed in those who may relatively recently had one of the 4 types of Corona-viruses that cause 15% of common colds? Along the lines of Cow-pox being used to vaccinate for small pox in the early days of vaccination, and a live virus - vaccinia, which is a related to small pox, being used in the small pox vaccine, could we start deliberately infecting people with the coronvirus common cold to build resistance in the population while waiting for a vaccine?


  • #6735
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Agreed. But there is a narrative out there that we don't have immunity to this virus when 85% of the population(much higher in reality but using confirmed cases numbers) have such strong immunity they don't even require treatment in hospital to get better.

    85% of the population being able to get it and not have to go to hospital isn't the problem. Even 1% of our population requiring potential hospital treatment means fifty thousand people, which would collapse our health system.


  • #6736
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They can go wherever they want, the advice is to be careful and use their cop on basically.

    Which is exactly what the majority have been doing anyway


  • #6737
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Friend works in a pharmacy, had someone in this morning with their tracker app saying "you've been in close contact with a confirmed case" and was wondering what she should do.

    Jesus.


  • #6738
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Friend works in a pharmacy, had someone in this morning with their tracker app saying "you've been in close contact with a confirmed case" and was wondering what she should do.

    Jesus.

    Madness. Surely the app should be telling close contacts to stay put?


  • #6739
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,622 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    What exactly does Leo want?

    It seems like he's pushing for an election.

    Well before Leo handed over to Micheal, FG were riding high in polls. Maybe he fears a current poll would be different. So perhaps he would like to remind/convince people that he handled the crisis better. Yet this ignores the Nursing home feck up happened on his watch. FG supporters will cite hindsight as being wonderful in a rapidly emerging pandemic, but this is not really true because we had warnings about what was happening in other countries with regard to their nursing homes. Leo and Simon, it could be argued, were better at communicating the message to the public, i will give them that.


  • #6740
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Friend works in a pharmacy, had someone in this morning with their tracker app saying "you've been in close contact with a confirmed case" and was wondering what she should do.

    Jesus.

    And the contact could have been days ago and they are wandering round due to the delay now in testing.


  • #6741
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    I'm not going to comment on some of the more obnoxious posts that are hitting this thread almost faster than they can be read.

    What I am going to post up is related to the elephant in the room that seems to be being carefully ignored by many of the people here that seem to think things can go back to normal any time soon.

    Anyone listening to the excellent press conference that Nicola Sturgeon gives on a regular basis?

    As a result of some inappropriate behaviour, they shut Aberdeen down, and said there were 20 cases as a result of one pub. Now, have a look at these figures, and try and tell me that Covid is not a problem.
    I can report today that according to the latest figures we have a total of 386 cases have been now been identified in Grampian since the 26th of July.

    220 of these are associated with the cluster linked to Aberdeen pubs, and 1125 contacts have now been identified from those 220 cases.

    I can confirm today that 13 cases which had previously been identified but not allocated to the cluster have now following further investigation been added because they are considered to be associated with that cluster.

    So, 220 confirmed cases, and 1125 potential cases, all because of Pubs in Aberdeen.

    Yes, it IS that simple, the figures mentioned yesterday made it clear that the highest number of clusters are in residential situations. They have also said that the number of contacts when tracing is way too high for comfort and safety. That is why things like sports have been cut down, they coded the comment, they made it clear that contacts before and after sports events were the worry, and they have now also "suggested" face coverings in private vehicles where more than one family is in the vehicle.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • #6742
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Friend works in a pharmacy, had someone in this morning with their tracker app saying "you've been in close contact with a confirmed case" and was wondering what she should do.

    Jesus.

    The app even tells you what you need to do... At least they had it installed I supose.


  • #6743
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    The app even tells you what you need to do... At least they had it installed I supose.

    Have to say I get a little hop every week when it pops up. Hopefully I always see zero.


  • #6744
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    Renjit wrote: »
    Use this to simulate weather
    https://www.windy.com/?2020-08-22-09,52.458,-3.470,6,m:e7VafWy

    The Climate Change Emergency hasn’t gone away you know. I am expecting climate carnage by this time tomorrow. Big hammer blow for Cork. Destruction is almost guaranteed.


  • #6745
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    pc7 wrote: »
    Have to say I get a little hop every week when it pops up. Hopefully I always see zero.

    What you see on a weekly basis is just a reminder that the app is active. If you were being notified of a direct contact issue, it is a different and more obvious pop up notification and is sent as and when required - not weekly.


  • #6746
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Just on the app if you only install in now it only will give you contacts from here on it I assume?


  • #6747
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    Just back from Spar. Got my essentials and a few bottles of west coast cooler to steady my nerves when the storm hits. Locking the cat flap tonight.


  • #6748
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Just on the app if you only install in now it only will give you contacts from here on it I assume?

    Correct.


  • #6749
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    pc7 wrote: »
    Have to say I get a little hop every week when it pops up. Hopefully I always see zero.

    Yeah, the weekly update always gives a fright that it's a flagging.


  • #6750
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    What you see on a weekly basis is just a reminder that the app is active. If you were being notified of a direct contact issue, it is a different and more obvious pop up notification and is sent as and when required - not weekly.

    No I know, it’s more just seeing The app notification at all.


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  • #6751
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    I'm not going to comment on some of the more obnoxious posts that are hitting this thread almost faster than they can be read.

    What I am going to post up is related to the elephant in the room that seems to be being carefully ignored by many of the people here that seem to think things can go back to normal any time soon.

    Anyone listening to the excellent press conference that Nicola Sturgeon gives on a regular basis?

    As a result of some inappropriate behaviour, they shut Aberdeen down, and said there were 20 cases as a result of one pub. Now, have a look at these figures, and try and tell me that Covid is not a problem.



    So, 220 confirmed cases, and 1125 potential cases, all because of Pubs in Aberdeen.

    Yes, it IS that simple, the figures mentioned yesterday made it clear that the highest number of clusters are in residential situations. They have also said that the number of contacts when tracing is way too high for comfort and safety. That is why things like sports have been cut down, they coded the comment, they made it clear that contacts before and after sports events were the worry, and they have now also "suggested" face coverings in private vehicles where more than one family is in the vehicle.

    Conveniently you exclude hospitalisations and deaths. It is utterly pointless to discuss new cases in a vacuum. Your post is nothing short of ignorance when you attempt to argue for continued restrictions on the grounds you have.


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