2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What circumstances were they in? How was their life or property under threat?

To be fair, you don't know how the McCloskey's felt when they saw a crowd of protesters outside of their property. They may well have felt that their property or life was under threat. Given that so many protests in the days before the incident had turned violent, I don't think it was an unreasonable reaction from them. Maybe they shouldn't have pointed their guns at the protesters but fear can make people do irrational things.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i call it protesting because that is what it was. there was no looting or rioting. there was no threat to life or property.

You are correct, it wasn't rioting or looting. I'd also call it protesting.

But that doesn't mean that there was no 'potential' threat to life or property as many of the previous peaceful protests turned violent. To use the motto of the scouts, 'always be prepared' or something like that.

BattleCorp wrote: »

To be fair, you don't know how the McCloskey's felt when they saw a crowd of protesters outside of their property. They may well have felt that their property or life was under threat. Given that so many protests in the days before the incident had turned violent, I don't think it was an unreasonable reaction from them. Maybe they shouldn't have pointed their guns at the protesters but fear can make people do irrational things.



You are correct, it wasn't rioting or looting. I'd also call it protesting.

But that doesn't mean that there was no 'potential' threat to life or property as many of the previous peaceful protests turned violent. To use the motto of the scouts, 'always be prepared' or something like that.

waving guns around is not being prepared. sitting in your house with a gun on your lap because you think there is a possibility of being attacked would be being prepared.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

waving guns around is not being prepared. sitting in your house with a gun on your lap because you think there is a possibility of being attacked would be being prepared.

Having the gun is being prepared.

Standing in front of your property holding your firearm is being prepared as it might discourage people from deciding to convert from a peaceful protest into a destroying property protest.

Pointing the gun at protesters was an error on their part.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They're more Americanised than European equivalents but similar tends to exist in most countries. Eg Ardfheises

Europe has nothing like this.

All the broadcast media devote prime time to some of the speeches.

America really does live in a little propaganda bubble.

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The video of the gate in pristine condition when the Mccloskeys pulled their guns out have been shown repeatedly. Going from your post, you have been reading the thread, so you already knew that.

Yeah so the peaceful protesters smashed the gate later. Unless your conspiracy theory is the Mccloskey gang smashed it themselves?

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The footage only shows it for a second, also it was shot by a member of that protesters so will only show what makes them look good.

the gate is clearly not damaged. you can hear the mccloskeys voice a few seconds later. you are trying really hard to justify pointing a gun at peaceful protesters and it has failed.

"A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought-iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear of our lives," Mark McCloskey told News 4 on Monday.

people here continue to repeat the lie told by mccloskey despite all the evidence to the contrary. we are truly living in a post-fact world.

Akesh wrote: »

You wrote the above but proceeded it by posting this:



I like how from your bedroom, in Ireland, you have established, without a shred of a doubt, who smashed those gates in St. Louis as it wasn't the protesters according to you. What facts are you referring to here? or is it just facts that don't align with your own political views?

Have you any proof as to who did break the Gates?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If that annoys you then you are going to hate the GOP convention. It has an epstein co-accused appearing every night.

The GOP needs to be burned to the ground.
However the "left wing party" can't really lecture when its rolling out war criminals and Bill Clinton either to their convention.

Their is no rule against criticising both parties you know, if people knew that would make this thread much more interesting.

Akesh wrote: »

I'm not a Trump supporter. You shouldn't assume things, you keep getting it wrong clearly.

Sure.

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

It's a public road, and the protestors were peaceful. We know this because the whole thing is on video. We even saw someone who appears to be a resident just stroll by then at the gate in a business suit (not something people typically protest in), without the slightest bit of bother at all. But don't let that get in the way of you creating your own "alternative facts" while simultaneously accusing others of lying.

I did get a kick out of Eric Cartman continuing go read and thank posts through the thread though, while continuing to hide away from answering why he was posting fake news stories about opposition to Susan B. Anthonys pardoning. It's par for the course for him to run away from refutation of things he posts, though.

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Edit - I will actually correct myself here as I prefer to get the truth behjdn something rather than just push an agenda, as it appears Portland place is a private street. The following link will not work for me due to GDPR but Google has given the following snippet: "St. Louis City Counselor Julian K. Bush affirmed that Portland, as well as several other streets in the West End, are indeed private. “They are owned by the property owners, and the owners pay for them, the street repairs and maintenance,” Bush said Monday."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/joe-holleman/portland-place-where-couple-pointed-guns-at-protesters-has-long-been-home-to-wealthy-st/article_1764a072-9403-5b1a-a452-ba5609608d56.amp.html

So they were on private property, not that someone who appears to be a neighbour seemed to care much, as the protesters are sctin about as violently as a Mardi Gras or Paddy's Day parade. That however, is not cause to point guns at people and claim they were damaging a gate that clearly was in immaculate condition when the guns were pointed with video proof (and when we don't have any evidence of who did damage it).

Perhaps Eric can do the same and explain to us if he was duped by fake news, or if he was intentionally spreading it.

You know I'm fairly surprised all the contrarians here aren't talking about the convention. Did you not watch it? Doing yourselves a disservice, there's plenty to engage/pick apart. Even some truly bizarre moments that added to the spectacle. That guitarist is a Father Ted extra and I live for his performance. Shame on you for not watching this :pac: Instead you're all growling over the left over gristle on the fecking mansion story. Move on, can we?

I think the GOP has a lot to be concerned about, as the Dems have a very united tent this time around. In 2016 disinformation worked, splitting the party cleave in two halves of Bernie and Hillary that was never truly reconciled. Not so much in 2020, both the moderate core and the progressive wings of the party are united behind the candidate, there is no bababooie speech here, no Bernie or Bust. This is all wings of the party: Bernie, Biden, Obama, Clinton, even Carter, "The Squad," and even Republicans, the RVATs, the Lincoln Project, Kasich, Powell... whereas the GOP tent looks awfully small, they've alienated the McCain and Romney bases, the GWB base, even the Bolton's and the Amash's, and scores of regular-ass conservatives.